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"Lights burning out my interior shots"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 13-Feb-05 AT 08:46 PM (GMT 1)
 
I am using a D-70 with a 12-24 F4G lens and trying to shoot interior kitchens & baths. I have an SB-800 but have found that shooting in the light available (without flash) seems to produce the best results. The problems I am having are:

1) Any lights that are turned on burn out pretty bad - there is little to no detail in the light/globe fixture.

2) Keeping a consistant brightness level throughout the composition is a problem.

I am a novice when it comes to adding lighting, and I've tried different ISO settings with the same result. Any help would be appreciated.

Gary from Columbus, Ohio


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  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots avm247moderator 13-Feb-05 1
     RE: Lights burning out my interior shots garydemosdonator_silver 14-Feb-05 4
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots reubendonator_gold 13-Feb-05 2
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots drjimbobmoderator 13-Feb-05 3
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots padraicyclopsdonator_silver 15-Feb-05 5
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots tesla042 21-Feb-05 6
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots chrbal 22-Feb-05 7
     RE: Lights burning out my interior shots olivierrychnerdonator_gold 13-Apr-05 8
         RE: Lights burning out my interior shots olivierrychnerdonator_gold 14-Apr-05 9
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots bclaff</b>donator_silver 15-Apr-05 10
     RE: Lights burning out my interior shots AQS1974donator_silver 17-Apr-05 11
         RE: Lights burning out my interior shots bclaff</b>donator_silver 23-Apr-05 14
     RE: Lights burning out my interior shots garydemosdonator_silver 23-Apr-05 12
         RE: Lights burning out my interior shots bclaff</b>donator_silver 23-Apr-05 13
             RE: Lights burning out my interior shots garydemosdonator_silver 23-Apr-05 15
  RE: Lights burning out my interior shots wmaccollum101 01-Jun-05 16

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1. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   What settings are you using on the camera and the flash?

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4. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Here is what I had set up on my camera:

Manual
F 11
ISO 200
Exposure 1/8 sec (this gave me a good level on the histogram)
Tried some shots with and without speedlight

As I mentioned, I didn't see any perceivable improvement by bumping the ISO to 1000 or 1600 (but it did add a lot of noise). I was thinking that if the exposure time was less, the lights would not burn out so bad. With that in mind, I thought about enlarging the aperture to F 5. That did make a slight improvement. (I tried that after my first post).

Gary from Columbus, Ohio


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2. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   it's a problem for everyone. when shooting interiors i typically only use a few of the lights in the room, since they tend to pure white as you've found. this is especially true of ceiling lights, whether they be fluorescent, incandescent, or halogen. the reason is because of the lack of shade on them. typically table lamps with a shade (and adjustable wattage) aren't as big of a problem.

i underexpose using ev compensation and the histogram, then bring up the lowlights/shadows in photoshop using curves. capture and other programs with curves can do the same. using the burn tool can also help - the area may be one solid color, but at least it won't be a blinding white.

i agree that using the available light looks best. i usually use no flash at all for that very reason - i think the rooms should look as they do in real life. not to mention the fact that i don't know squat about speedlights.

i'm not a pro, i just do it occasionally, but much to my surprise i've seen LOTS of shots in magazines (interior decorating and such) with blown out lights. not just little ones, either. large ones like windows, large ceiling lights, etc.

it's not always possible, but shooting a room that has windows when they're in the shade helps.

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3. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   I've not tried this, but I've often wondered about it. Could you turn out the lights and take a shot using just available light? Then, with the camera on multiple exposure mode (I assume the D70 can do this) turn on the lights and take another picture on the same frame - but a relatively short exposure. Move the lights if need be so they are in the part of the darker part of the rooms.

I wonder if that might work. I intend to try it out some time in the next couple of weeks.

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5. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   LAST EDITED ON 15-Feb-05 AT 12:53 PM (GMT 1)
 
Another option is to reduce the noise with Neat Image. It's a great program although I tend to apply it more conservatively than their auto settings.


You could always clone some texture into the light hostspots to pull them back a bit too. There's nearly always a fix as long as it's in focus.


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6. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   I know you said that using no flash seems to work best for you, but I may suggest adding a bit of flash back in. With it, you can better balance the impact each light source will have. You can use the aperture to tune how much the flash's contribution, then simply increase or decrease the shutter speed to add or subtract the "ambient" light.

D70, 18-70mm lens @ 18mm, f4.5, 1/15sec, SB-800 aimed backwards at the opposite wall with diffuser on. I took some 30 of these shots of my office, and this was roughly the mood I was aiming for. Probably should have closed the window, though. A faster shutter speed would have muted the lamp and window even more, and still kept roughly the same brightness level due to the flash.

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7. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   If you have blown out lights in your picture, then you must by definition have a big spike on the right side of your histogram. You could try shortening the exposure until there is no spike, but you'll still have to do some levels or curves correction later and will end up with less tonal range.

I'd do the following:

1) If you are using a tripod I'd use the lowest ISO setting I could to get the best quality, least noise.

2) I'd be shooting in RAW format which has almost an additional 2 stops of exposure lattitude built in due to its higher bit depth. Then I'd bring the details back out of the bulbs/fixtures using Nikon Capture's DDE (or is it DEE?; renamed to something else in 4.2) or PhotoShop's "Shadows/Highlights" adjustment. This will bring out the details of the otherwise burned out highlights.

See: http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials/jennifer/fix-overexposed.html


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8. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Hi there!

Rather new here, but some days ago, on April 1 (and it was not a joke!), I was asked by a winemaker to take shots of his tasting room, shots that he intended to post on his website... I had never done that before, and this is what I did with my D70:

-tripod and 200 ISO
-RAW
-candles lit (and bedside lamps in later shots, in the house he lets to holidaymakers) and SLOW flash, on rather long shots.

Ok, the places were rather dark though it was about noon in southern France, but then... it worked out fine. Gonna post it one of these days, I am now in a netcafé...

Cheers,
Olivier Rychner

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9. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Hello again!

Just to say I am opening a new thread called "candles and slow flash"...

Have a good day!

Olivier Rychner

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10. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   I've been playing with this on and off for two months since the initial post.

I chose a very difficult subject.
This is my kitchen with under counter and ceiling lighting all on.

D70 with 12-24mm Nikkor @12mm f/8 ISO 200
The upper left shot is an unprocessed "normal" shot with lights "blown out". (1/3rd sec)
The upper right and lower left are unprocessed shots at higher shutter speeds. (1/15th sec and 1/250th sec)
The lower left is a blend of all three done in Photoshop CS.

I have to say, I'm quite pleased with my first attempt at blending.

What do you think?

Bill

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11. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Very nice, I like it a lot!!
I noticed that you changed shutter to get the different EV's, I presume one wouldn't want to change EV by way of apature because you would want the same DOF in all shots.

Now I just need to learn how to Photoshop it!


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14. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Alex,

Yes, exactly, I didn't want the Depth Of Field to change; so I only varied the shutter speed.

BTW, this can probably be done on outdoor shots without a tripod.
If shutter speeds are high enough and you set the camera for exposure bracketing; you can get two or three frames in a fraction of a second.

Bill

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12. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Bill,

Would you mind giving a brief description of your blending process as shown in these photos? How did you tone up the exposure on the cabines while letting the properly exposed lights override where they needed to? I love the results of your blended photo - it looks very natural.

Gary from Columbus, Ohio


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13. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Gary,

I followed a procedure similar to this Understanding Digital Blending
I used the simple Layer Mask with Gaussian Blur approach.
I extended the procedure to use three images rather than two.

Remember, this was my first experiment; so I'm not an expert.
(I'm glad you like the result, thanks.)

These topics are probably covered in more depth here Adobe(R) Photoshop & Workflow

Bill

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15. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   Thanks Bill - I will give this a try on the next project. Is photoshop amazing or what?

Gary from Columbus, Ohio


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16. "RE: Lights burning out my interior shots"
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   I do abit of interior photography, and I find myself using a few techiniques to get my photo's.

I actually do abit of in camera burning and dodging, by turning on and off lights during the exposure (obvioulsy these are longer exposures) and then messing with it a bit in Photoshop, smoothing out exposures, highlight to shadow..

I do this when I shoot film (4x5) as well, by shooting with the lights near their peak intensity, and only exposing them for a brief moment, it keeps their color true, and the image doesn't get a red/amber cast from the lights being dimmed.

Another idea is to put an 85 gel on your flash, this will take the blue out of it and make it match the Tungstens. This way, you can have your main source (the flash) lighting the scene, and not rely on the pratical lights for anything but giving a cool hightlight to the picture.

You can probably get a small amount of gell at you local photo store, or check out Lee or Rosco gels and try a to get a sample pack.

And yes, I, at times, use additional lighting to make my photographs.

I would really just play around with it, and find what works for you.

bill

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