KEIDAN E-LIST ARCHIVES, 1998 - Vol. 1
(January-April)
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:51:11 EST
From: HKDCFP
Subject: WOLPERT/ROSEN/KAPLAN
Dear Keidaners,
I am new to the mailing list and would like to introduce my 'hoped for'
connection to Keidan. My great-uncle was Abraham Wolpert (WOOLBERT in the
US). I have located a record of a Abram Wolpert who sailed from Hamburg to
New York on the ship Polaria. It left Hamburk on Apr. 26, 1882 and arrived in
New York on May 15, 1882. I have not yet read the film on the NY arrival but
it is on order. The Hamburg list gave his residence as Keidan. At this point
I do not know if this Abram Wolpert is in fact my great-uncle.
On my great uncles death certificate in 1937 in Texas his parents were listed
as Munice and Zulotta (nee ROSEN) Wolpert. No town was given. Abe supposed
came over to the US when he was 11 years old which would make 1882 correct
given or take a couple of years.
Abe had at least three siblings, Leon (my grandfather) and Harry who came to
the US and a female initial E. who went to South Africa.
Abe and Leon married sister in the US, Yetta and Minnie Jacobson respectively.
Although they did not know each other in Lithuania the families supposedly
live about 20 miles from each other.
KAPLAN: On the Hamburg passenger list Abe is listed as 21 years old and
traveling with a little girl 9 years old, Basche KAPLAN also from Keidan. I
do not know if there was a family relationship.
In addition to the mailing list I have also sent this message to a couple of
individual who may have a specific interest.
I would appreciate any info that might help me to further identify this Abe
Wolpert.
Also is there any connection between the names Wolpert and Wolpe?
Thanks..Herb DANZIGER hkdcfp@aol.com
Researching Names:
DANZIGER, DANCYGIER (Ciechanow Poland, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Jacksonville,
Mobile, Mississippi, Arkansas)
MOSZYNSKY, MACHINSKY, MOSHINSKY (Zuromin Poland, Mississippi)
JACOBSON (Poland, Philadelphia, Cincinatti, Mississippi)
WOOLBERT, WOLPERT (Kedainiai, Kovno Gub, Philadelphia, Cincinatti,
Mississippi)
ROSEN (Kovno Gub.)
CYNAMON (Ciechanow Poland)
BIEZUNER (Ciechanow Poland)
ROZENBAUM (Ciechanow Poland)
KAHANE (Ciechanow Poland)
PETERMAN (Ciechanow Poland)
ELIASZNOW, ELIEZERNOW (Ciechanow Poland)
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:36:30 +0200
From: "NEEMAN AVIVA"
Subject: Jaffe Family Association
The Jaffe Family Association has a new e-mail address:
aneeman@netvision.net.il
Aviva Neeman
P.O. Box 48010
TelAviv 61480 Israel
Tel. +972-3-6992813, Fax. +972-3-6993852
e-mail: aneeman@netvision.net.il
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 17:12:24 -0500
From: "A.W.Cassel"
Subject: New additions to Keidan website
Fellow Keidaners:
Some new material has been added to the Keidan website, which you may
find interesting. First of all, I've brought the email group list
archives up to date; anyone new to this list who wants to catch up on
previous postings can now do so through all of 1997.
Secondly, I have translated a long article on Keidan which appeared in
the 1991 book "Jewish Cities, Towns and Village Settlements in
Lithuania" by Berel Kagan. Kagan's piece is particularly interesting
because it contains a great many thumbnail biographies of noted
Keidaners, including rabbis, teachers, writers and others, as far back
as the 16th century. It is drawn from what I take to be a very wide
array of sources, including the "Pinkes" or records of Keidan's official
community, its burial society, etc.
I've made some other changes to the website as well, which I hope will
make it more informative and easier to read. Please feel free to send me
any feedback, including criticism or suggestions for improvement.
The homepage URL remains the same:
http://www.philly.infi.net/~awcassel/Keidan/keidan.html
and the Kagan material is at:
http://www.philly.infi.net/~awcassel/Keidan/history/kagan1.html
Best to all,
Andy
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Hank Krastman
2/2/98 20:58
Do you have any information on the following names in Lithuania:
Krajtman
Krajman
Kreistman
Kreisman
Krastman
Thanks for any help you can give me.
Hank Krastman
Hank Krastman
2/2/98 20:58
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:39:00 EST
From: BetteJoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #82
Dear Andy,
Many thanks for all of your efforts and for an extraordinary website.
Regards,
Betty
Betty Provizer Starkman
BetteJoy@aol.com
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BRPWIT@aol.com
2/3/98 23:28
Subject: fantastic set of sites and information
I am new to this and find how little i know.
I have subscribed to the Keidean Lists as well as Kovno
1- Can you possibly tell me the real differences between Keifan and Kovno -
when i read your history i thought they were somewhat interchangeable..??
please if you would.
thanks in advance.
2- Is there a lace I can find Name origins?? sounds simple or complex??
My family name and the many people I have talked to around the world spell it
WITKIN possibly VITKIN. now where and what is the etymology , if any?? is
"kin" significant for tracing purposes, is "WIT" significant.
the reaon I ask I understood that there were different time periods that the
Germans ,and the RuaaiaNS REWUIRED lAST NAMES..
ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU FOR THE WONDERFUL INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE DEVELOPED.
STEPHEN WITKIN
WOODLAND HILLS CALIF
OOPS SORRY i just looked up ( i type watching my fingers) and fund i
accidently hit the caps key
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Hkdcfd@aol.com
2/11/98 13:31
Subject:
WOLPERT / KAPLAN
This is a follow up to a previous inquiry.
I have both the departure (Hamburg) and arrival (New York) passenger lists for
Abraham WOLPERT, age 21, and Basche KAPLAN, age 8 1/2, who arrived in New York
on the Polaria on May 15, 1882.
The Hamburg passenger list says these two people were from (Kaiden
(Kedainiai). The Hamburg list gives no relation between the two although it
appeared they were traveling together. The New York arrival list says they
are brother and sister. No info is given on who they will be living with in
the US or who their closest relative is back in Lithuania.
Is the brother / sister relationship (1)a matter of convenience for easier
entry, (2) evidence of a remarriage, or (3) some other explanation?
I am trying to determine if this Abraham Wolpert is my great-uncle. How can I
locate a birth record for these two people. He would have been born about
1860-1862. She would have been born about 1873-75.
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks..Herb DANZIGER hkdcfp@aol.com
Researching Names:
DANZIGER, DANCYGIER (Ciechanow Poland, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Jacksonville,
Mobile, Mississippi, Arkansas)
MOSZYNSKY, MACHINSKY, MOSHINSKY (Zuromin Poland, Mississippi)
JACOBSON (Lithuania, Philadelphia, Cincinatti, Mississippi)
WOOLBERT, WOLPERT (Kedainiai, Kovno Gub, Philadelphia, Cincinatti,
Mississippi)
KAPLAN (Kedainiai, Kovno Gub)
ROSEN (Kovno Gub.)
CYNAMON (Ciechanow Poland)
BIEZUNER (Ciechanow Poland)
ROZENBAUM (Ciechanow Poland)
KAHANE (Ciechanow Poland)
PETERMAN (Ciechanow Poland)
ELIASZNOW, ELIEZERNOW (Ciechanow Poland)
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RWeissJGS@aol.com 2/11/98 20:32
Subject: Re: WOLPERT / KAPLAN
In a message dated 2/11/98 10:33:43 AM, Herb Danziger wrote:
"Is the brother / sister relationship (1) a matter of convenience for easier
entry, (2) evidence of a remarriage, or (3) some other explanation?"
I guess there was no "alien detention" list after the passenger manifest in
1882? This would tell you who picked them up, what was their destination, etc.
::I am trying to determine if this Abraham Wolpert is my great-uncle. How can
I
locate a birth record for these two people. He would have been born about
1860-1862. She would have been born about 1873-75.::
You know that there are birth records for Kedainiai for all the years you
mentioned in the Lithuanian State Historical Archive. You have checked them, I
assume.
Bob Weiss in Palo Alto
RWeissJGS@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:43:20 -0600
From: Wolinsky
Subject: Hi
I am new to your group and am taking the opportunity to introduce myself.
My name is Howard Wolinsky. I'm from the Chicago suburb of Flossmoor.
I am a technology reporter at a major Chicago newspaper. Last summer, I
wrote an article on using the Internet to research one's roots. It led me to
resume a personal search I began 20 years ago, but dropped when I ran into
some obstacles--such as claims that no records on Jews. Of course, that
turned out to be untrue.
I also had been led to believe that my ancestors, known as
SCHROGIN/SROGIN/SHROGIN, came from Kovno. Indeed, some lived there; some
related died in the Kovno Ghetto at the end of WWII.
But the latest information I received from the Kaunas Archives seems to
indicate that this family originated in Keidan. I have to write back to the
Archives and see what records the archivists can locate.
Meantime, if any kind Keidaners have any ideas/tips/shortcuts on digging out
data on a family from that town, I would appreciate it if you could share
them. If any of you have any connection to the Schrogins, please let me know.
Howard Wolinsky
wolinsky@interaccess.com
Searching for SCHROGIN/SROGIN/SHROGIN
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:32:50 -0600
From: Wolinsky
Subject: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #87
Andy,
I meant to write you re your Web site. It is outstanding. It is a model for
anybody who is doing genealogy research.
I had planned to pull together my stuff into a personal accounting of my
roots, more or less a tale of how people are affacted by their times,
telling why my grandparents came over while describing what was going on in
Europe that pushed them out.
Thanks for the tips. I'll do what I can to follow them up--though I do
recall checking those databases and coming up empty.
For whom, did you correspond from Chicago? What are you up to now? And who
are your friends at the Sun-Times?
I have been at the Sun-Times for 17 years next month. I started the day
Reagan was shot. I was the medical writer for many years. I ended up writing
a book on the AMA, "The Serpent on the Staff: The Unhealthy Politics of the
AMA."
But for the past two years I have covered technology for the business section.
Howard Wolinsky
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:47:39 +0200
From: "Aviva M Neeman"
Subject: Keidan family of Detroit
A few months ago, after a search that lasted several years, I was in touch
with Mr. Keidan of Detroit, and his cousin the curator for the Detroit
exhibition. In the meantime I changed my server and got a new e-mail
address. In the transfer I lost some of my address list, and have been
looking for it ever since.
Will Mr. Keidan of Detroit, please, get in touch with me and give me his
and his cousin's e-mail address?
Thank you,
Aviva Neeman
P.O. Box 48010
TelAviv 61480 Israel
Tel. +972-3-6992813, Fax. +972-3-6993852
e-mail: aneeman@netvision.net.il
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Andrew.J.Friedland@Dartmouth.EDU (Andrew J. Friedland) 2/25/98 12:56
Subject: Wow!
Dear Andy,
I just wanted to let you know that your Keidan home page is fabulous. I
haven't visited it since you added the cemetary information provided by Ada and
others, but I have seen it a number of times over the last year or so. It is
an impressive site. It makes me wish I could find a Keidan connection! I hope
I can contribute to a Krok page if one ever comes to be.
Sincerely,
Andy Friedland
Norwich, Vermont, USA
Searching: KRAVITZ, GANN/GEN (Krakes, Rokiskis, Lith; Liepaja, Latvia);
FRIEDLAND, LEVY (Minsk); EPSTEIN, GUTTER (Kamenets-Lit.), GOLDBERG
(Pruzhany); KLEIN, STERN (Mateszalka, Hung), KOHN (Piricse, Hung).
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Wolinsky 2/25/98 23:40
Subject: Re: Chicago-Keidan connections
Andy,
On the JewishGen group, they have been suggesting organizing shtetl groups
that purchase revision lists or whatever and then have them translated and
post them online.
I am writing to Lithuania anyway, so I can inquire. I'm guessing, but it
might cost $500 to $700.
I have organized a group of about 30 families that has hired a researcher in
Latvia. Maybe we can do something similar in Keidan.
Meanwhile, what's the story with Regina Koplievich? Is she for hire? Does
sshe speak English? Is she on e-mail? How can I reach her? What's she charge?
Also, FYI, here's the articles that describe how I got back into this. I
tried it 20 years ago, but ran into a cousin who was rather unhelpful. He's
dead now. But I just connected iwth his children and grandchildren in
Boston--along with tons of other cousins in San Francisco and Israel.
My father had a non-relationship with four or five half siblings--he was way
younger than them and connected with the sibs on his mother's side. Since
this summer, I have linked many of them, including our Italian-American and
Irish-American cousins. My grandgfather I guess disowned his children who
married outside the faith--or something.
Howard
Anyway:
Online `Roots' search can spring surprises
August 26, 1997
BY HOWARD WOLINSKY TECHNOLOGY REPORTER
While researching the new cyber-genealogists a week ago, I resumed my
old search for roots
online--with surprising and serendipitous results that sent me in new
directions and back a half a
millennium.
Like millions of other Americans, I was inspired by Alex Haley's Roots
to do my family tree 20
years ago. Also, I wanted to give my children a sense of where their
family came from.
I interviewed family members and collected old photos from the United
States as well as from the
``old country.''
After exhausting public records in the United States, I ran into a brick
wall, or more precisely, the
Iron Curtain.
I could take my family back to the late 1880s in this country, but found
political, historical and
linguistic barriers to tracking down my forebears from Lithuania, Latvia
and ``Poland/Russia.'' I was
told no records were available.
Then last week, the Internet came into play. In the course of
researching stories for the Chicago
Sun-Times, I learned about and tried some of the online resources.
I subscribed to free online discussion groups relating to Jews who came
to this country from
Lithuania and Latvia. I posted notes asking for information about my
family names, Schrogin (we
were Schrogins, before my great-uncle and grandfather became Wolinskys
in this country) and
Israel in Lithuania, and Geskin in Latvia.
A member of the Latvian group told me in an e-mail that he had copies of
testimonies written by
Holocaust survivors from Latvia. One mentioned the Geskin name. He said
he would ``snail mail''
me a copy.
On Saturday, I learned from a member of the Litvak Special Interest
Group that the fall of
communism in Lithuania had opened up the government archives, which
contained tax and census
records for Jews and non-Jews alike. For a relatively modest sum,
translated copies were available.
I was inspired again. But I was unprepared for what came next.
That night, there was a phone message from a man named Avi Lishower from
near Tel Aviv, Israel.
He asked me to call because he had something ``interesting`` to tell me.
He said nothing more.
I was skeptical, but I figured what the heck.
It turned out that Lishower had been doing his own family tree and had
obtained a copy of the one I
had done. His mother was a Schrogin, who had moved to Israel in the late
1930s, thereby avoiding
the Holocaust in which many other family members perished. My father and
his mother were first
cousins.
He had been looking for me for years. New to the Internet, he checked an
online listing of phone
numbers and found mine.
A family reunited after nearly a century, thanks to the Web.
Then came the genealogical bombshell: ``Did you know the original family
name was changed?''
He said that Schrogin was a mutation of Sragon, or Saragon, a name
relating to Jews who fled from
Saragossa, Spain, during the Inquisition in the late 1400s.
>From oy vay to ole in an instant. In a matter of a few days on the Web,
my search for family shifted
into warp speed in whole new directions and with new possibilities.
As they said on Monty Python, ``I wasn't expecting the Spanish
Inqusition.''
Upon hearing this story, my son, Adam, said ``kewl.'' He now wants to
change his name to
Saragon. Not to be outdone, his brother, David, said he wants to change
his name to Schrogin.
My wife Judi said she isn't about to give up the Wolinsky name. She has
been jumping hoops to
create a Web site under the domain name, wolinskyweb.com. (wolinsky.com
was already taken.)
My father Sidney, who died in June, would have loved this. Not one to
travel far from his easy
chair, he mentioned in recent years that he wanted to go to Spain.
Meanwhile, Lishower and I agreed to team up to dig out records from
Lithuania and Spain. I've
already subscribed to lists online dealing with family research on Jews
from Spain.
.......
Net helps genealogists create web of
contacts
August 26, 1997
BY HOWARD WOLINSKY TECHNOLOGY REPORTER
When Arleen Gould's cousins in Lithuania were getting ready to celebrate
her aunt's 100th birthday,
she told them they had already missed it.
Records the 47-year-old Des Plaines crossing guard uncovered, with the
help of a Lithuanian friend
she made on the Internet, revealed that her great-aunt Pauline
Dalangauskas actually was going to
be 101.
Patrick Bredlau, 42, a bank examiner from Orland Park, who has been
doing family trees for his
and his wife Catherine's families, found on the Net that Confederate
Gen. Robert E. Lee
surrendered at the home owned by his wife's cousin, Virginia Hooe.
Bredlau and Gould are part of a new generation of cyber-genealogists.
They use software to
organize their gleanings from the usual sources, such as birth, death
and census records. And they
use the Web to find family members, dig up records and to discuss their
research with others on the
hunt for their roots.
While sitting at his computer at home, Bredlau said he often can find
the location and availability of
records, speeding up the process.
The new wrinkle with the Net is the ability to reach out to people in
ways never before possible.
Gould wasn't new to genealogy research. She started in the late 1970s
and was in contact with
relatives in Lithuania. But when she tried to obtain docuements she ran
up against the communist
government's opposition to genealogy--``They wanted everyone to forget
the past and be a
comrade''--as well as claims that the records had been destroyed during
World War II.
When one of her children died three years ago, she needed a distraction,
so she took to the Net to
resume her genealogical research.
She posted a note in English on a Lithuanian language news group, asking
if anybody had any
information about her relatives, the Bledis and Gudaitis families from
Baisogala and Griniskis in
Lithuania.
She struck up a friendship with Martynas Sudavicius, a mathematics
student, who went to the
national archives in Vilnius. He found a lode of family information.
Gould was able to stretch her pedigree back to the late 1700s.
Bredlau posted his wife's family tree with an online group delving into
genealogy in Kentucky. As a
result, he heard via e-mail from several other family members who had
been researching the family
line.
``We pooled our resources through e-mail and soon developed a strategy
to continue the search.
Now, we search as a team and have made progress that individually may
have taken years instead
of weeks to accomplish,'' he said. ``Someday, I hope to meet these
relatives.''
Megan Zurawicz, 44, of South Holland, who in September will become
national coordinator of
USGenWeb, a volunteer project to promote genealogical research on the
Net, said her online
research has led her to ``fourth, fifth and sixth cousins'' who also
have dug into their roots in Greene
County, Mo.
One of her new-found cousins, Robert Souder, a retired physician in
Dallas, has e-mailed her family
pictures of their great-great-grandparents.
Tom Van Heule, 65, a computer consultant who runs the Computer Interest
Group of the North
Suburban Genealogical Society, said that beyond the Internet, the
computer is a handy tool for
organizing genealogical information.
``It is a better way of maintaining records than putting pen to paper,''
said the researcher, who has
tracked his Marsh family lineage back to the 1630s in Salem, Mass.
Arthur Rakestraw, 66, a retired salesman from Evanston who has taught
classes on using genealogy
software to the SeniorNet group at the North Shore Senior Center, said,
``Most people do an
atrocious job of keeping their genealogy records. Software makes it easy
to correct dates and
names.''
Rakestraw, who has traced his roots back to the William Penn colony,
said software also is useful in
sharing research with relatives. The information can be passed along on
discs, via the Internet or
printed out.
Users debate the merits of software, which costs from about $30 to $100.
Popular brands include
Brothers' Keeper, Family Tree Maker, Master Genealogist and Roots.
Van Heule said leads can be picked up from compact discs on which some
people list their family
trees, or databases of phone numbers and Social Security information.
The same sort of information
is available for free online.
He said family pictures and documents can be scanned into the computer
and added to the family
tree or used to create digital galleries.
He used the Internet in a limited way, such as trying to find people
with his family name.
He said the Internet will become more valuable for documentation once
census and other records
are available online.
Zurawicz, who is on the board of the South Suburban Genealogical and
Historical Society, said
some old-line researchers are resistant to computers and online.
``They're right in that you still have
to do your research the old way and hunt down the documentation. But
making contacts with
people you'd never meet any other way provides clues.''
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Sites worth checking
August 26, 1997
BY HOWARD WOLINSKY TECHNOLOGY REPORTER
>From actual family trees and listings of research tools to news groups
on doing genealogy in other
countries and online genealogy classes, the Internet is a user-friendly
place for family historians.
Following are some sites worth checking out:
* Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet. Cyndi Howells has
pulled out all the stops
with her comprehensive site that links to 22,350 other genealogical
sites.
www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.com.
* Helm's Genealogy Toolbox. This slick site has ``white pages'' to find
links to sites based on
surnames and family history and ``yellow pages'' with guides for
beginners and listing of commercial
resources. genealogy.tbox.com.
* USGenWeb. This volunteer organization is attempting to make
information available for every
county in the country. Cook County's site contains information on local
funeral homes and
cemeteries, which sometimes can provide family information.
www.usgenweb.com.
* Roots-L. Go here to find online groups discussing genealogy in general
or specific areas.
www.rootsweb.com/roots-l.
* MedAccess. This site lists places to write to get vital records.
www.medaccess.com/address/vital.toc.htm.
* FamilyTree Maker Online. This site, sponsored by Broderbund, maker of
genealogy software,
features bulletin boards, listings of family trees, classes and
commercial services.
www.familytreemaker.com.
* Christine's Website. What Alex Haley did with ``Roots,'' Christine
Charity is attempting online
with extensive African-American genealogical information. ccharity.com.
* The Federation of East European Family History Societies. Information
is available on
surnames and places throughout Eastern Europe. feefhs.org.
* JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy. This sites has links relating
to the far-flung
descendants of the tribes of Israel, with many discussion groups, a
listing of 19,000 surnames being
researched and a link to maps locating ancestral villages.
www.jewishgen.com.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:17:18 -0500
From: "IVY SIMOFF"
Subject: Searching
Dear Fellow Keidaners;
I am happy to find Keidan. My grandmother, Raiza Roseman, and her brothers
were born in Keidan and later came to Alabama. If this name is familiar to
anyone, I would love to hear from you. She married my grandfather from Poneveyz; Herman Feinberg aka Chaim Yochel/Jochel.
Ivy Simoff
IvySim@prodigy.net
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"A.W.Cassel" 3/16/98 20:43
Subject: Lithuanian newspapers
Does any subscriber to this list have a working knowlege of Lithuanian,
or have access to someone who does? I've recently received several
editions of local newspapers from Kedainiai, containing articles about
the ceremonies which took place there last fall in connection with the
200th yortzait of the Gaon of Vilna.
As many of you may recall, that commemoration included a large gathering
of scholars, Gaon descendents and others in Vilnius; one day during the
conference many of them traveled to Keidan to hold a ceremony in the
town where the Gaon was educated and married.
The director of the Kedainiai Regional Museum, Rimantas Zirgulis, sent
me these local newspapers along with some photos taken during the
ceremonies. They include a photo of a proposed remodeling of the old
Keidan shulhoyf, or central synagogue complex. I also received some old
maps of the town going back to the 1600s. Hopefully, I'll find the time
in the not-too distant future to put all of this on the Keidan website.
I've made some xeroxes of the Keidan newspaper articles and can send
them along to anyone who's willing to try some translation.
Thanks,
Andy Cassel
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Paula Eisenstein Baker 3/17/98 15:21
Subject: Searching: RABINOWITZ, SIRK, KAMBER, LEVITT
Hello Keidaners,
This is my initial post after a couple of weeks of lurking. My maternal
grandfather, Bernard G. Richards (BGR, orig. RABINOWITZ), appears on the
Keidan site as the author of the Yizkor book memoir about his boyhood in
Keidan. I am looking for his family.
BGR's maternal grandparents (whom he lived with in Keidan):
Yankel Herz SIRK, who married Reva KAMBER from Kanebersz (?)
The SIRK children:
2 boys who died in childhood
Schneer Zalman, who died as a young man
Israel, who married Rachel MESHULAMY (no children)
Zadik Simon, who was married and divorced
Channah, who married Alexander (Sander) RABINOWITZ (my g grandfather)
BGR's paternal grandparents:
Wolf (Yudel) RABINOWITZ (from Yanova), who married Rebecca (last name)
The RABINOWITZ children:
Sarah Leah, who probably died young (a niece may be named for her)
Dvorah, who married Abraham GUTMAN and lived near Yanova had 2 sons:
Louis, who married
Nathan, who died in Denver
Sachna LEVITT (a name change), who married and had 5 children:
Pearl
Leah (who married a rabbi)
Malka
Fanny
Leib LEVITT (later known as Louis)
Alexander (Sander) RABINOWITZ (my g grandfather)
If any of these names rings a bell, please e-mail!
Paula Eisenstein Baker
Houston, TX
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RWeissJGS 3/19/98 21:30
Subject: Re: Re: Kamber Genealogy
There is brief mention of a "Dr. Kamber (who) lived in Kelem for some time,
but later left." in Kelem--Etz Karut, yizkor book for Kelme, not far from
Kedain (page 16).
Bob Weiss
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"Kenneth A. Camber" 3/22/98 21:40
Subject: Kamber Genealogy
I'd like to thank Bob Weiss for his writing about Dr. KAMBER in Kelem
("Etz Karut, yizkor book for Kelme, not far from Kedain"). I'm not sure
whether we will be able to do anything with this particular information, but
it is an indication of where to look. In that Yaakov CAMBERG (KAMBER?) was
born in Keidan, it is entirely likely that there was other family in that
area. I had not heard of any reference to Kelem itself before, and I can't
tell what the time frame is for this reference, but I will see what I can
find out about it. Thanks again, Bob.
Ken Camber
Researching CAMBER/CAMBERG/KAMBER in Lithuania
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Paula Eisenstein Baker 3/24/98 22:10
Subject: Searching: RABINOWITZ, KLEIN
My apologies to any of you who are reading this three times.
Chana SIRK and Alexander (Sander) RABINOWITZ (later RICHARDS) had five
children. One was my maternal grandfather, Bernard G. RICHARDS [Gershon
Dov/Beer RABINOWITZ], born in Keidan (Lithuania) in 1877.
They had three other sons: Louis (Laib) and Sam (Sachna), both of whom
came to the US, and Zalman Wolf, who died young. To my knowledge, none
of these three had any descendants.
They had one daughter, Rosa (Rochele) RABINOWITZ, born in Keidan ca.
1880. She
came to the US with her mother and two of her older brothers in the
1880s, returned to Keidan, and eventually came back to the US to stay
ca. 1890. She and her mother probably lived in Boston.
Rosa was married to Samuel KLEIN ca. 1900; they had two children, Sarah
and Morris, who were probably born in the early 1900s. The only other
piece of information about Rosa (possibly suspect) is that she died ca.
1920. (Perhaps a victim of the Spanish flu epidemic.)
If you recognize any of these names, please e-mail me privately (or post
to the list, if you think the information may be useful to others).
Paula Eisenstein Baker
Houston, TX
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Larry.Jaffe@bani.com (LAWRENCE S. JAFFE) 4/2/98 14:48
Subject: Searching for Jaffe
Hi everyone,
I just subscribed to this list and thought I'd introduce myself. My
name is Larry Jaffe and I am a decendant of Kedaniers Shimon and Batya
(born circa 1820) They had 13 children. Unfortunately, I only know
the names of three: George, Jack, and Moshe. George & Jack emmigrated
about 1900 along with Moshe's children: Charles, Phillip, and Nettie.
Charles is my grandfather.
If this sounds familiar to anyone, I would appreciate some feedback.
There are some big holes in my family tree that I would like to fill
in.
Thanks,
Larry
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"A.W.Cassel" 4/5/98 22:27
Subject: New list of names
Welcome, Larry Jaffe, to the Keidaner group. Hope you have some success
making connections. To help you and others, I've just uploaded to the
Keidan website a list of officers and members of the Keidaner Assn. of
New York. This is taken from the landsmanshaft's anniversary books of
1930 and 1940. If I'm not mistaken, there are several Jaffees listed
among the membership. In all, the list includes more than 400 names,
some of them with mortality dates. So it's another information source...
The address:
http://www.philly.infi.net/~awcassel/Keidan/ka-members1.html
Cheers,
Andy Cassel
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RWeissJGS Mon 0:08
Subject: Re: New list of names
In a message dated 4/5/98 6:28:52 PM, Andy wrote:
::Welcome, Larry Jaffe, to the Keidaner group. Hope you have some success
making connections.>>
Larry, are you in touch with Aviva Neeman in Israel. I believe she runs a
Jaffe family society.
Bob Weiss
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Dcochelin Mon 2:09
Subject: Re: candy factories circa 1900-1914
Does anyone have knowledge of the candy factories in Keidan circa
1900-1914? Child labor in these times? My Bubbi told me that she could never
go to school because she had to work in the candy factory since her family was
so poor. Many thanks.
Deborah Cochelin
Seattle, Washington
dcochelin@aol.com
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BetteJoy Mon 9:34
Subject: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #101
Dear Keidaners,
Saw Larry Jaffe's posting and have emailed him. I am a professional
genealogist researching for Jaffes in Keidan for a Pittsburgh client. Some
vital records have been obtained from the Lithuanian State Archives and others
are on the way. There is probably a relationship. Aviv Neeman knows of my
research.
A sweet and happy Pesach to all.
Betty
Betty Provizer Starkman, Michigan
BetteJoy@aol.com
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"A.W.Cassel" Mon 20:49
Subject: Re: candy factories circa 1900-1914
Deborah:
I've not heard of any candy factories (though it's not unlikely there
were some), but there's a wonderful memoir by Dovid Wolpe that describes
his older brother's "child labor" in Keidan during the years around
1914, when his father was away and he had to help his mother support
their family. I translated this from Yiddish into English recently, and
will put up soon on the web site. Stay tuned!
Andy Cassel
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DBH12345 Mon 21:30
Subject: Re: candy factories circa 1900-1914
One of my ancestors (Abramowitch) had a candy store in Rostov-na-danu, which I
believe was a business that he brought when he emigrated from Kaunus in the
1880's. Don't know any details though.
David Hoffman
Woodland Hills, CA
dbh12345@aol.com
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DNH Iowa Tue 8:01
Subject: Lithuanian 'candy factories circa 1900-1914'
One of my ancestors, Louis Noieck worked in a candy factory in his home town
of Shavel (Siauliai) in the late 19th century. He left Siauliai for
Oudtshoorn, South Africa circa 1900, where he became an ostrich feather
merchant. When the 1914 war broke out, many ostrich farmers lost their
ability to export feathers, and Louis went back to the business he had known
as a child. He opened a candy factory in South Africa.
This must have been a very popular trade for Jews in Lithuania. With the
records that we are receiving daily for input in the "All Lithuania" database,
many people are listed as "candy makers."
Davida Noyek Handler
Co-coordinator, LitvakSIG
Seeking NOIK, NOICK, NOYK, NOYEK, NOIECK, NOIKAS, NOJIKAS, and variants, NW
Lithuania and worldwide.
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LLapinhain Wed 4:56
Subject: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #103 Re:Candy factories
Hi. my mother, Soreh Gitel Goldberg-Lapin (1890-1990) told me that her
mother's brother, Albert Segall, from Tovrig ( Taurage, Tauroggen),
Kovno Geburnia, Lithuania, had candy store somewhere in Michigan. Her
mother was born in Tovrig ca. 1867 and she was the youngest of 4 or 5
children. She also told me that her uncle went into the ostrich farm
business in south Africa. I later learned that Outshorn was where the
ostrich feather farms were. Mom never told me what the name of that uncle
was when she was young enough to remember. As I have never been able to
locate Great Uncle Albert Segall and his wife, Yetta. I did find them
in Liverpool, England, visiting one of my dad's relatives (also from
Lithuania, Kretinga (Crottingen). Kretinga is a short distance from
Tovrig. I have always wondered if it was Great Uncle Albert Segall was
the one who went to South Africa or if there was another uncle. When I
asked mom she said, "That was my Uncle Max". But by the time I was into
genealogy, mom's memory was less reliable. So I don't know about the last
uncle.
There is a fine article on KEIDAN in the book 'LITHUANIAN JEWISH
COMMUNITIES" by NANCY & STUART SCHOENBURG, JASON AARONSON , INC.
PUBLISHER , 230 LIVINGSTON ST., NORTHVALE, N.J., 07647. Pages 116 to
116 is a fine history of KEIDAN and it's important yehudim. Page 121
reveals that in 172227, R. AVRAHAM KATZENELLENBOGAN brought a 6 year old
boy from Vilna, who had astonished all the rabbis with his talents and
abilities. R. DAVID KATZENELLENBOGAN devoted himself to the education of
the boy, who later became known as the GAON R. ELIYAHU of VILNA, THE
VILNA GAON. His wife was from KEIDAN.
My mom's father was YEHUDA LEIB PLOTNIK ben YACUB, ben RABBI BEREL of
SAVLON (SAIULIAI), ben ISRAEL.) From Rabbi Berel of Savlon, our family has
been handed down 'SEFRA DI' ZENIUTA", a commentary by the Vilna Gaon
regarding the "YERUSHALMI", (THE JERUSALEM TALMUD). It is an older and
longer Talmud than the BABLI", THE BABYLONIAN TALMUD which we use. We
have a first edition, published posthumously in 1819. He died in 1797.
Several rabbis in my family (R. MOSES SIMON SIVITZ of TSITOVIAN) was one
of them. He was the founder of the Orthodox synagogue in Pittsburg,
Pennsylvania ca. 1885-1887) and was the Chief Rabbi of Pittsburg and all
Western Pennsylvania. He authored at least seven religious books in
Hebrew. I have two first editions and five photocopies. He was a cousin of
my mother. Louise Lapin-Haines
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RWeissJGS Wed 11:41
Subject: Re: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #103 Re:Candy factories
In a message dated 4/8/98 1:03:50 AM, Louise Lapin-Haines wrote:
::
My mom's father was YEHUDA LEIB PLOTNIK ben YACUB, ben RABBI BEREL of
SAVLON (SAIULIAI), ben ISRAEL.) >>
Savlon is NOT Siauliai.
Savlon is Siaulenai which is 32 km SSE of Siauliai. (see WOWW)
Robert Weiss in Palo Alto, 32 miles SSW of San Francisco :-)
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Joseph Familant Wed 20:15
Subject: weiner
Is anyone aware aware of the Lithuanian family name "WEINER?WINER" or "MUELLER" circ
1920-1940???
Please contact waddell1@juno.com
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RWeissJGS Wed 23:51
Subject: Re: weiner
In a message dated 4/8/98 4:16:38 PM, you wrote:
::Is anyone aware aware of the Lithuanian family name "WEINER?WINER" or
"MUELLER" circ 1920-1940???::
Yes I have a marriage certificate in Kelme for a Rivka Weiner.
Weiner Rivka Eliezer 1922 Marriage Doc 45360 from Nemoksht
Weiner Rivka Eliezer 1922 Marriage Doc 45367 from Nemoksht
A number of Millers (German spelling would be Mueller) from Kelme:
Miller Ester Shaye 1941 Arrest List #246
Miller Izrael Shaye 1941 Arrest List #249
Miller Khaya Shaye 1941 Arrest List #248
Miller Leya 1941 Arrest List #250
Miller Wilyam Shaye 1941 Arrest List #247
Miller Etz Karut pp.79
Miller? Miriam Etz Karut pp.104
Robert Weiss
RWeissJGS@aol.com
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From: LLapinhain Thu 3:14
Subject: Re: keidan Digest - V01 #104
To the attention of Robert Weiss of Palo Alto, California,
Thank you for the good information about Savlon. This is much
appreciated. It is really too bad I did not proof my comminique. I have
a few sticky keys that stutter. EG. R. Abraham Katzenellenbogan brought
a 6 year old boy of unique talent and abilities to Keidan in 1727. R.
David Katzenellenbogan saw to the education of the child who would become
the Vilna Gaon. His wife was from Keidan. This statement is to correct the
date.
Louise Lapin-Haines
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