KEIDAN E-LIST ARCHIVES, 1997 - Vol. 2

(Mar. - April.)

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From: Rrose 
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:08:05 -0800
Subject: Introduction

Whew! Now that I've skimmed through two years of correspondence on
this list, I feel as though I can introduce myself and possibly even
make a contribution. Andy has done an amazing job of putting love and
energy into this project, and it gives me chills to read it all. 

I am Rena Sonshine, granddaughter of Samuel Mendelson mentioned by
Ruth Marcus from Tel Aviv. I live in Los Angeles, California.
Samuel's sister is (I think) grandmother to Roberta Jainchill, also
on this list. Osna Fenner and I are related, however, through Samuel
Mendelson's wife, Rebecca Rosen, who also was from Keidan. I live in
Los Angeles, and have not done much about collecting family facts.
But there's so much ambient enthusiasm, I thought I'd dig up what I
do have. Osna doesn't have email, so I'm sending her the two years of
posts on a diskette.


Back to my story, Sam and Rebecca met on the boat coming to America.
Rebecca is the daughter of Judah Leb Rosen, who married Minna Perle
Markowitz. Among Judah Leb Rosen's descendents are a whole family
named Siev, most of whom are in NYC, but some of whom settled in
Israel. Shoshannah Siev married Itzak Dafni, they live in Israel.
Related to the Zeevs on the list? There were at least six siblings
who came to America from Judah Leb Rosen's marriage. I am curious why
I haven't heard from anyone looking for this link. I have a lot more
information about the Rosens. Perhaps they are all found...

Ruth Marcus and Roberta Jainchill seem to have made lots of
interesting connections on my Mendelson side and I'm very interested
in seeing the final results they come up with. I promised Osna Fenner
I'd try to find some missing Rosens; I know they're not on this list,
but I'll use other resources and see if I can entice them into this
project.

Regarding Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn, someone offered to post a
list of the names in the Keidaner section. I know that both Sam and
Rebecca are buried there. Perhaps the list would be useful to others
searching. Perhaps other Mendelsons are there too? I don't expect to
get to NYC for a year or two but my brother, Richard Sonshine and I
will definitely visit when I get there.

Lily Yarosh (lilyarsh@aztec.asu.edu posted some lyrics to a lullaby
in October 1966, and there was a question about the source. Here's
some of her text:

Ayle-lyule, shlof mayn libes kind, makh-zhe tsu di ohgelekh, un
shteyt oyf gezund,
maky zey tsu un makh zey ofn, gezuntiker-heyt, zolstu shlofn... 

I believe they are from a tune called "Yankele." I'm interested in
finding out more about Yiddish music, since that is my passion.
Mostly Folk music, though.

This may be too old a reference to be useful, but Andy had asked
whether his posted lists of "zipped" files would work on a Mac. In
case this is still an open issue, the freeware product "Stuffit
Expander" opens them just fine into SimpleText. Send me e-mail
directly if you're a Mac user and don't know what I mean but want to.

Finally, someone was looking to find a connection to the Manischewitz
family. There is a Manischewitz (yes the matzoh folks) home page at
http://www.manischewitz.com
and I sent a note asking if any family members are around and
interested in joining the list. 

I'm certainly curious to connect with any lost relatives, so please
get in touch if you think we're related. Hmmm... I might try for the
Himmelfarbs next...

Rena

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From: "A. Cassel" 
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 16:38:36 -0500
Subject: Chicago landsleit, 1939
>
>Fellow Keidaners:
>
>Here are a pair of articles I've recently translated from the Yiddish, which
>appeared in "The Keidaner" bulletin in 1939. They have a number of
>interesting aspects to them, perhaps especially the names of some prominent
>Keidaners in Chicago at that time. Note also the last couple of paragraphs,
>giving a kind of who's who -- with both their "old country" names and their
>new, American identities. 
>
>The articles were unsigned, but I think they must have been originally
>written by my grandfather, who was the editor of the bulletin at that time.
>It's his style, as I've come to know it.
>
>Regards
>
>AC
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Feb. 1, 1939
>
>The "Lost Tribe" found in Chicago
>
>Along with the connections which "The Keidaner" bulletin builds among our
>members through news of family events sent in by our readers, your editor
>also makes it his business to try and keep in touch with fellow Keidaners
>outside of New York.
>
>We have made various efforts to collect news of our landsmen in other
>cities; we especially tried to make contact with the Keidaner societies in
>Chicago and South Africa, where there are significant numbers of our fellow
>townsmen.
>
>Seek and ye shall find, it is said: with the help of Brother William Einhorn
>we received from Brother Ike Kaplan the address of a landsman in Chicago, a
>certain Morris Cohn. We immediately wrote him inquiring about our fellow
>Keidaners in Chicago, dispatching also several issues of our bulletin.
>
>In reply we received a letter from Mr. Cohn, in which he informs us that he
>himself is not a Keidaner native, however he is the son-in-law of Boruch
>Meir the carpenter from Keidan. He is also an ex-president of the "Keidaner
>Aid Association" in Chicago. He presented our letter, as well as the
>Bulletins, before a meeting of his association and, as he writes: "Our
>association is interested in your bulletin "The Keidaner. I read aloud
>several items from the memoirs in "The Keidaner" and everyone greatly
>enjoyed recalling the old days in the town where they were born and raised."
>
>He writes further, that the association would like to subscribe to a few
>copies of the Bulletin, and if their members have news of happy events to
>share they will let us know so that we may publish them in our "Mazel Tov"
>section.
>
>Through our additional correspondence we have gathered the following news
>about the Chicago association:
>
>The membership consists of 60 landsmen in good standing; the dues are three
>dollars a year. The members enjoy no benefits, but the function of the
>association is to support and help needy landsmen in Chicago, as well as the
>orphans and poor in Keidan twice yearly. They also contribute assessments to
>support several voluntary institutions Chicago.
>
>Not having a means of support, they are undertaking to hold a benefit, which
>brings in a few dollars. Naturally, some members of this society are
>available to help in the enterprise.
>
>They have also purchased a plot for a cemetery, and this was a major effort
>for such a small group. However, they hope this will bring in more members
>and increase the size of the association.
>
>Meanwhile they have taken out two subscriptions to the Bulletin.
>
>The officials of the association are as follows: Abraham Richter -
>president; Morris Fine - vice-president; Daniel Bernstein - treasurer; Harry
>Gordon - recording secretary; H. Keinber - financial secretary. Trustees
>are: Samuel Crost, Katie Bernstein and Mrs. Gerber.
>
>Harry Bernstein is ex-president, and Morris Stone and Morris Toyb are
>ex-vice-presidents. One of the subscribers to the Bulleting is Morris
>Richter. They have no ladies auxilliary.
>
>After we received the news from Mr. Cohn, we turned to Mr. Abraham Richter,
>the president of the Keidaner Mutual Aid Association, with our request to
>let us know more details about the families of our Chicago landsmen and
>their origins in Keidan. We have not as yet received a reply. As soon as we
>have more news from Chicago, we will publish it in the Bulletin. We also
>will include with pleasure in our "Mazel Tov" department any news about
>happy events in the families of our Chicago landslayt.
>
>And so have we found a "lost tribe" in Chicago.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>May 1, 1939
>
>>From the Found Tribe in Chicago
>
>We have received from A.Y. Richter more interesting news about the "Keidaner
>Aid Association" in Chicago, which we want to share with our readers.
>
>Twenty-five years ago there existed in Chicago a Keidaner Association, which
>was one of the largest outside of New York. Mr Richter was not then in
>Chicago, but he heard, as he recounted, "the Keidaner Association, when it
>wanted to hold a ball, had to rent the largest hall in Chicago." And one
>lovely evening, when the association was holding a certain function, a
>quarrel broke out which led to such harsh words being exchanged among the
>Keidaners who were leading it, that the association fell apart.
>
>Then the World War broke out. All the Jews were expelled from Keidan; they
>were packed into freight cars and sent away toward Mariopole, in
>Ekaterinoslav province. A third of the Keidaners died in Mariopole from
>typhus and cholera.
>
>"And as a cousin of mine -- Beylka Etel the bagel baker -- who was also
>there, related (she is now in Chicago with her husband), there are in the
>Mariopoler cemetery a lot of Keidaners, as many as in the Keidan cemetery."
>
>The Keidaners in Chicago were in shock with worry and concern about how to
>help their unfortunate relatives and friends. They did what they could;
>after some time the surviving Keidaners returned to their homes, among them
>the mother and two children of Mr. Richter.
>
>Meanwhile, prosperity had come to America, and our Keidaners in Chicago
>began to busy themselves with making money. Each endeavored to send support
>to his relatives in Keidan. The rich ones made trips back to visit the old
>home town, which became a subject of much boasting; this one said he spent a
>thousand dollars on his trip, another said his cost him five thousand, etc.,
>etc.
>
>One evening Mr. Richter's brother Morris came to him and recounted that Leyb
>Velvke the liquor dealer (Louis Feinstein) had telephoned him that he wanted
>to see them both, because he had just returned from a visit to Keidan and
>had brought greetings from their mother. They went and spent an evening,
>where they learned from Leybe Velvkes' description that the conditions in
>Keidan are frightful. Everyone who has connections in America or Africa is
>living off the support of their relations, but half the population has
>become terribly impoverished.
>
>After a four-hour conversation they decided to call a miting of certain
>landsleit, with workers from the old Keidaner association. More than eight
>landsmen came to Mr. Richter's home and there it was decided to found the
>"Keidaner Aid Association." After some successful projects the association
>became so large that it was necessary to rent a large hall for the meetings.
>With all members working diligently and faithfully, it became successful.
>This was 12 years ago.
>
>Meanwhile the Depression approached. The association had distributed as
>assistance to the impoverished landsmen in Keidan and in Chicago every cent
>in its treasury. Realizing that one cannot function with an empty till, they
>decided to undertake fundraising projects and were successful.
>
>Now their fortunes have so much improved that they pay out death benefits.
>Have their own cemetery half paid for. A beautiful fence with a bronze
>plaque by the gate, where the names of the members are inscribed. In the
>treasury they have 900 dollars. Mr and Mrs. Louis Feinstein and Harry
>Bernstein the second are the largest contributors.
>
>In order that our readers here should better be able to orient themselves
>regarding the family origins of our Chicago cousins, Mr. Richter gives us
>the following information:
>
>Mr. Richter is Aba Yoneke Sore's, son of Shmuel the street-man's daughter.
>Morris Fine, vice-pres. of the association - is a son of Ettel the
>bagel-baker, Shmuel's other daughter. The financial secretary is Zamke
>Zuse's, from Smilga Street. Treasurer was for the last 10 years Yankel
>Mesel's, from the cemetery. David Borenstein and Harry Borenstein, two
>brothers of Yankel Mesel, were with their brother Aba Bornstein officials of
>the association. Shmuel Leibe Aba Monish's, from Skongale, was the first
>trustee. His brother Gershke is also a member of the association. Second
>trustee is Dvoyreka, deaf Bertsik's daughter; third trustee - Soreka, Sheya
>the shoemaker's daughter.
>
>As you can see, the association does very noble work for the poorer element
>in Keidan and the needy landsman in Chicago. The membership consists of the
>salt of the earth: honest, goodhearted hard workers. But where are the
>wealthy Keidaners of Chicago - the Shliapoberskis, the Rabinovitzes and
>others? What are they doing for their fellow Keidaners?
>--
>

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From: ESalen294@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:57:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Keidan to South Africa (again)

Hello Zvi.  Thanks for the information on SALONER at Stanford.  Hope your
research is going well.

By the way, I noticed that Michel Griliches has submitted information to
Ancestral File and has performed Temple rites for some of his ancestors.

Be well,
Liz

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From: 
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:07:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Chicago landsleit, 1939

I haven't had time to study all of the wonderful work of Andrew's, but I
will post as I go along.

The referenced to Abe Richter, I am almost sure, was the Abe born in 1886
and died in 1945. He lived in the Chicago area. Abe married Celia Crost.
Some of the Krosts changed their name to Crost when they immigrated.

Celia was one of the children of Michol (Michael) Krost. He was from
Keidan. Michol's wife was Chaya Etel Girsh.

There were two Samuel Crosts in the Chicago area that were in my family but
I am unable to determine which one was referenced in "the Keidner" at this
time.

The above information came from the following sources, the vital records
received from Galina Barinova, the archivist at the Vilna Archives, family
information or Bernard Seeff from South Africa. 

Bert Oppenheim


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From: ESalen294@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:09:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Chicago landsleit, 1939

Great stuff Andy.  Keep it coming.

Liz

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From: ESalen294@aol.com
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:08:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Introduction

Following up on Rena Sonshine's posting:  I am the person who wrote about the
possibility of putting together a list of Keidaners buried in Washington
Cemetery.  I am now ready to undertake (forgive the pun) this project with
the possible help of my brother, Bruce Salen, who is also a JewishGenner.
 Before I start, though, I'd like to have input from people on this list
about the kind of information you think should be included in the inventory.
 Perhaps a brief discussion in this group would be helpful.

Looking forward to hearing from you all.

Liz Salen (ESalen294@aol.com) Brooklyn, NY


From: Roberta Jainchill 
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:00:14 -0500
Subject: ISRAELIENE (LAGER/MENDELSOHN family)

This has been an exciting week for me. Thanks to Andy (and my cousin
Ruth's perserence) I have become re-acquainted with second cousins I
have not seen since we were all teens.  Rena Sonshine, my cousin, sent
me copies of old post cards which had been sent to her grandfather, my
grandmother's brother.  The one return address appears to be CHAJA
ISRAELIENE from Vilnius.  They arrived approximately in 1940. With all
of the information that we have we have not been able to locate any
information about one sister, until now.  We did know that her name was
Khaya Reyza.  It is my hope that this card is from that sister, before
the war.  The text is in Yiddish.  I will be trying to get someone at
the temple to translate it for me but until then....

Have any of you heard the name ISRAELIENE? 	

The second return address looks like 'Vilnius g=ve 25, Vievis,
Trakie or Traker aps, Lithuania'.  Does this make any sense to anyone?

Thanks again to everyone.

Roberta Jainchill

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From: Jonathan Bloom 
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:57:34 -0500
Subject: Introduction

Hi,
I am Jonathan Joel Bloom.  Since my ggf married his first cousin, two
of my gggf's, Shmuel Blumzohn and Yosef Blumzohn, are from Seta, Lithuania.
Shmuel Blumzohn's oldest son, also named Yosef Blumzohn, lived with
his family in Keidan.  Shmuel's other 3 children and a number of other
family members came to the United States and settled in Norwich, CT.

Yosef Blumzohn of Keiden had 7 children, the youngest, Reuven, and
2 of Reuvin's nieces went to Israel in the late 1920's, early 1930's.
One of Yosef's daughters, Bluma, married  Moshe Rochlin.  They had
5 children.  My understanding that they and their descendants live
in Russia.  The rest of Yosef's descendants perished in the Holocaust.
 

I've listed a brief indented decendent chart which includes spouses
below.  I've placed two asterick's (**) next to family members who
lived in Norwich, CT. 


1 Blumzohn
    2 Blumzohn (ca. 1800 -  dec.) 
        3 Schmuel Blumzohn (ca. 1830 -  dec.) 
          Hinda Gitel  Tepper (ca. 1830 - 1887) 
            4 Yosef Bloomsohn (1860 - 1939) 
              Zipe (Faiga)  ? ( - 1941) 
            4 John (Jonah) Bloom (1862 - 1935) **
              Shlova Freida  Blum (1861 - 1920) **
            4 Blume Rosa Bloom (1865 - 1934) **
              David  Siegel (1865 - 1908) **
            4 Simon Issac Bloom (1873 - 1950) ** 
              Chana Sara  Fein (1878 - 1918) **
        3 Joseph Blumzohn (1830 -  dec.) 
          Sarah  ? (CA 1830 -  dec.) 
            4 Shlova Freida Blum (1861 - 1920)** same as above
            4 John (Jacob) Blum (1869 - 1954) **
              Fanny  Levy (1867 - 1942) **
    2 Aron Blumzohn (ca. 1800 -  dec.) 
        3 Yahudah Leibe Blum (1830 - 1914) ** 
          Lile ( -  dec.) 
            4 Abraham Blum (1853 - 1920) ** 
              Gitel  Steinbach (1857 - 1930) ** 



In addition to general information about Kedain and it's
surrounding towns, I am particularly interested in the following
names:
  - Blumzohn from Seta and Kedain
  - Tepper from Seta
  - Fien from Cekiske
  - Siegel from Seta/Kedain region
  - Rochlin

Finnally, anyone interested in more information about any
Blumzohn decendants, I'd be happy to provide more details.
I have over 300 descendants of the Blumzohn's listed above.

Regards,
Jonathan Bloom
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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:36:49 -0500
From: "A. Cassel" 
Subject: Lithuanian questions

>Roberta:

For some reason I'm having trouble sending email to the entire Keidan list,
but here's an answer to your questions, which maybe you can post to the list
in my place: 
>
About the name ISRAELIENE, the suffix "-IENE" is standard Lithuanian form
for a married woman. Lithuanian names all end with "-is" or "-as" if a male,
"ietie" if an unmarried female, etc.  This apparently became the custom for
Jewish names as well in the periods of Lithuanian independence, both
interwar and currently. For example, my friend Yehuda (Yudl) Ronder, who was
my guide to Keidan in 1995, is addressed in Lithuanian as Judelis Ronderis
... if he had a wife, she would presumably be called Ronderiene .

Regarding your postcard, my guess is that the street address would translate
as "25 Vilnius Street" . "Gatve" is Lith. for "street". Vievis is listed as
a town west of Vilnius, along the highway from Vilnius(Vilna)  to
Kaunas(Kovno) It's not far from Trakai, which is the district capital and an
historic area, known as the home of Lithuania's old Karaite community.
(Karaites are actually Jews who never accepted the Talmud, and lived mainly
in Turkey and Crimea, although some migrated north to the Baltics in about
1400). 

regards,

Andy

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From: Bernard Seeff 
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:45:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Krost Vital Records Keidan

Wow!  I can't believe that you got all those details of the Krost family
when you were in Lithuania.  Unfortunately, I couldn't place everyone on
the family tree, so if you have updated your version with this new
information, please send it on to me.

My sister is planning a visit to Lithuania in June, and we would
appreciate any advice you can give her when researching records there. 
Our interest is in the Seeff family from KRAKENOWA, which is a village
not far from Keidan.

Which are the best archives to visit, should anything be pre-planned, is
there anyone in particular to talk to, etc.

Kind Regards,

Bernard

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From: Glynne@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:07:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Trip to Lithuania

I am planning on going on the trip to Lithuania after the Paris Jewish
Genealogy Seminar. Is anyone else from the Kedainai group going?

Gay Lynne Kegan
Palm Desert, California

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From: "A. Cassel" 
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 22:06:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Trip to Lithuania

Gay Lynne et al.

I'm delighted to hear you're planning to visit Lithuania this summer. Can I
help with any names, places, etc? I hope you're planning to make contact
with Yudel Ronder in Kovno; if you can get him to show you Keidan it would
be worth your while (especially if you bring along a translator). 

By the way, here's part of an article that appeared in the newspaper
"Jerusalem of Lithuania" last fall, in an issue that I just received
recently. It unfortunately doesn't give the date of the planned conference
on the Vilna Gaon, but if the timing is right for you, it would be a
fascinating thing to attend.

-----------------------------------

"On the eve"

Preparations are being mad for the commemoration of the 200th anniversary of
the death of the Gaon.

"For almost 50 years, the name of Gaon Elijahu wasn't mentioned here. They
forced us, unfortunately with great success, to forget it. I think that the
immense interest throughout the Jewish world in the events for the Gaon's
commemoration is also due to the fact that after such a long silence, once
again this name, which is holy for both religious and secular Jews, rings
out -- and namely in Vilnius. ... 

Wanting to participate in the conference are Prof. Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg,
Prof Joshua Fishman, Prof. Avraham Nowerstern, Prof Immanuel Itkes, YIVO
educational director Dr. Allan Nadler and many others. Lithuanian scholars
are also getting ready to give presentations. And not only professors and
doctors from the Science Academy and the unversities - Kedainiai museum
director R. Zirgulys has found documents about Elijahu ben Shlomo Zalman's
school and wedding years in this town. Interesting, because there is a
little town in Byelorussia, called Kedainov, which is often mistakenly
referred to as the place where the future Gaon studied and was married. I
would also like to note that the residents and and city officials of
Kedainiai, once a large Jewish centre, honour and take care of their Jewish
cultural heritage. Unfortunately, there are no longer any local Jews there
to do so. We would like to invite our guests to Kedainiai, to a ceremonial
gathering. We also want to acquaint those who take part in the conference,
with the wealth of Judaica in our book depositories and archives....

-------------------------------------------------------


What are the dates of your trip? I'll try to find out more about the Gaon
conference. And please let me know if I can help in any other way.

Regards,

Andy

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From: Glynne@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:56:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Lithuania Trip

I decided not to go on the Lithuania trip after all. Is anyone going? I
really really really want some photos from Josvainiai. Does anyone have any
ideas how I can get them?

Gay Lynne

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From: 
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:07:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Krost Vital Records Keidan

Bernard, I will try to answer your questions.

The records that you received were really for your information. I don't
think anyone else has the detailed family trees that we have. 

The information on my tree you already have. I will try and work on the
rest, but it may take another trip to Vilna and Keidan. I have yet to visit
Keidan. Should you find any additional connections that I haven't already
sent to you please let me know.

Making the trip to Lithuania isn't especially easy for a woman, but it has
been done. The hygiene conditions are less than one expects. In some areas
there are no bathroom facilities and a field is the only alternative. This
was the case two years ago and might have changed. The food is also a
question in that the water should not be used in any way except bathing. In
some area the water is not heated. Try to live on fruit and vegetables that
can be pealed. We have energy bars that I lived on. Try to stay in Vilna or
Konas if possible and work from there even if it does make for more
driving. Hotels are really old and run down. 

Make sure that only cameras and a small amount of cash are with you each
day. Theft is a problem and I suggest that a new roll of film is used each
day to limit the loss if your camera is stolen. A guide or local should be
used to help get around each day. This does two things. One, makes your
time more efficient and two, a way to get around and handle the language
problems.

The arrangements should be made in advance to give your contacts a chance
to do some homework. I had a driver and interpret with me at all times. 

Galina Barinova at the Vilna Archives should be contacted and given as much
help as you can give to allow her to a good job. Her job is to handle all
Jewish genealogy inquires. She is second in command  there. The Archive
has, for example, all Keidan vital records for the period from 1854-1895.

I am going to give you Galina's home address and I suggest that you contact
her as soon as possible in that she is quite busy. Tell her that I said
hello and use my name. 

Her address is;

Galina Barinova
Taikos 10/61
2017 Vilnius, Lietuva
Lithuania

Both spellings should be used and if Lithuania is spelled another way in
So. Africa, use that spelling. If I can be of further help call on me.

Bert

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From: 
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 17:37:50 -0800
Subject: Krost Vital Records Keidan

Keidan Vital Records

During my last trip to Lithuania I visited the Archives, in Vilna, and
arranged to obtain the vital surname records of the KROST family. I am
posting all of the records in that marriage as well as birth and death
dates were listed.  I hope that the additional surnames might connect with
others interested in Keidan.

There is no order to the records, but the KROST tree is available should
anyone be interested. The records are presented as they were delivered to
me.

Datnuva citizen Volf-Mendel, ben Shmuel Krost, 20 years old. y.o. married
to Basha, bat Pinchas, 20 y. o. on the 5 of March 1872.

Datnuva citizan Mendal, ben Shmuel Krost, 23 y.o. married to Dobe, bat
Pinchas 19 y.o. on the 15 of March 1874.

Rafael (?) the son of Datnuva citizan Mendal, ben Shmuel Krost and his wife
Dobre, bat Pinchas ser, was born in Kedainiai on the 30 of Dec. 1882. (bris
was on the 7 of Jan.).

The birth records of Chaim (18 Jan. 1854) Bune (11 Dec. 1857)
Eliash-Menachem (17 March 1859), Freda (30 Oct. 1867) and Leiba (12 Apr.
1869), the children of Shmuel Krost and his wife Feiga Leah.

The widower from Kedainiai Eliaash-Menachem ben Shmuel Krost, 38 y.o.
married to Chane-Mere bat Israel Shlapoberski, 22 y.o. on the 16 of Jan.
1898.

The birth records of Zelman (17/24 July 1907), the son of Kedainiai citizen
Eliash-Menachem, ben Shmuel Krost and his wife Chana (Chava) – Mere (Maria)
bat Israel.

Rivka Krost the wife of Abel, died on the 26 of Jan. 1900 when she was 60
y.o.

Kedainiai citizen Michel ben Abel Krost divorced 25 y.o. married to Sare
bat Movsha Garber 20 y.o. on the 20 of  Feb. 1881.

Kedainiai citizen Michoel ben Abel Krost divorced, 25 y.o. married to
Chaia-Etel bat Girsh 20 y.o. from Sates, on the 27 of July 1881. 

Birth records of Berel (1/8 July 1888) Girsh (6/3 June 1897) and David
(12/19 June 1902)  and the death record of Chave Mere (27 Jan. 1896 when
she was 6 months old) the children of Kedainiai citizan Michoel ben Abel
Krost and his wife Caia (Chave) Etel bat Girsh.

Abel son of Kedainiai citizen Berel ben Michoel Krost and his wife Sheina
bat Icyk Bin was born on the 14 of Jan. 1914.

Josel Leiba ben Abel Krost 20 y.o. married to Rochle Mere daughter of Yaker
20 y.o. on the 26 Nov. 1971.

Berth records of Ber-Icyk (Jan. 26, 1875) and Gershon (28 Oct. 1882) the
son of Kedainiai citizen Leib ben Abel Krost and his wife Mere bat Shlomo
Yaker.

The birth records of Gilel (1/8 Sept. 1903) Cyrel (9 Apr. 1906) and Zundel
(29/26 Mar. 1908) the children of Kedainiai citizen Leiba ben Abel Krost
and his wife Pesa Rivka bat Zelik.

The widower of Kedainiai city Abel ben Berel Icek Krost  62 y.o. married to
the widow from Vilijampole Rivka bat Michoel Levin 52 y.o. on the 26 of
Dec. 1895.

Kedainiai citizen the widower Josif  ben Berel Icek Krost 47 y.o. married
to the widow from Jonava Elka  bat Zusman Noachovicz 37 y.o. on the 22 of
August 1886.

Icek ben Movsha-Yudel Krost died in Kedainiai on the 1 of Dec. 1900 when he
was 84 y.o.

Movsha-Yudel ben Josel  Krost died in Kedainiai on the 28 of May 1882 when
he was 85 y.o.

Chaia the wife of Josel Krost died in Kedainiai on the 27 of Dec. 1875 when
she was 42 y.o.

Berel-Icek  son of Josel Krost and Stirka was born on the 14 of May 1870.

Sire bat Josel Krost from Kedainiai died on the 4 of Jan. 1886 when she was
50 y.o.

Josvainiai citizen Icek-Volf ben Meyer Fridman 25 y.o. married to Itel bat
Josel Krost  from Kedainiai 21 y.o. on the 31 of Aug. 1884.

Baisogala citizen Movsha-Gilel ben Girsh Ciniman 26 y.o. married to
Kedainiai citizen Civea bat Veljamin Krost19 y.o. on the 21 of Jun.1878.

Etel Krost died on the 29 of Jan. 1873 when she was 60 y.o. 

Berel ben Icek Krost died on the 19 of Feb. 1869 when he was 60 y. o. 

Chaia the wife of Benjamin Krost from Datnuva died in Kedainiai on the 22
of Feb. 1867 when she was 76 y.o.

Kedainiai citizen Cyrle Krost died on the 1 of Apr. 1892 when she was 63
y.o.

Kedainiai citizen Shmuel ben Zelman Krost died on the 11 of Sept. 1861 when
he was 41 y.o. 

Kedainiai citizen Mere bat Leiba Krost died on the 6 of Sept. 1891 when she
was 37

Feige Malke, the wife of Icek Krost, died on the 7 of March 1878, when she
was 54 years old,

David, ben Icek Krost, 25 y.o. married to Nechama, bat Yankel Lump, 22 y.o.
on the 28 of Feb. 1875,

The birth records of Aizyk (6/14 Dec. 1875), Zelde (15 Jan. 1879)
Chaim-Abram (18/25 Nov. 1882)  and Chaim-Yakov (4/11 March 1885) and the
death records of Feige-Malke (15 Aug. 1878, when she was 13 months old),
Chaim-Abram (1 Dec. 1883, when he was 1 y.o.) and Yankel (12 Jul 1887, when
he was 2 ½ y.o.), the children of David, ben Icek, Krost and his wife
Nechama, bat Yankel Lump (or Lumpert),

The death records of Movsha (17 Aug. 1876, when he was 8 months old) and
Chaim-Girsh (7 Nov. 1884, when he was 14 y.o.), the sons of Pincha Krost,

The birth record of Sare-Zelde, daughter of Pinchas, ben Icek, Krost and
his wife Rivka, bat Chaim on the 28 of June 1886,

The birth records of Etel (5 Oct. 1895) and Michle (28 Apr. 1902), the
daughters of Kedainiai citizen Pinchas, ben Icek, Krost and his wife Ente,
bat Boruch-Movsha,

Chaim, ben Icek, Krost died on the 24 of Dec. 1879; when he was 27 y.o.

Rive Krost died on the 7 of May 1892, when she was 40 y.o.

Anyksciai citizen Eliash, ben Bencel Raff, 28 y.o. married to Chaia-Zelde,
bet Icek Krost from Kedainiai, 20 y.o. on the 15 of Apr. 1892,

Anyksciai citizen David, ben Icek-Girsh Kopais, 23 y.o. married to
Feige-Dina, bat Icek Krost, 21 y.o. on the 15 of Jan. 1888.

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From: Dick@plotz.com
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 13:11:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: book by Charles Lipschitz?

I just learned that Charles Lipschitz, my father's second cousin and at one
point head of the Keidaner association in New York, self-published a book
about Keidan which included a lot of information about our family.  There was
a chapter about General "Two-gun" Morris Cohen, who as Sun Yat-sen's
bodyguard was known as "Ma Kun".  Two-gun Cohen is supposed to have been
related to Charles Lipschitz's grandmother Chana Plotz, nee Cohen, the wife
of Lazer Plotz, my great-great-uncle.

I don't know of anyone in the family who has a copy of this book.  If any
Keidaner out there knows where I could get a copy, please let me know.

Thanks!

Dick

--
Dick Plotz
Providence RI
Dick@Plotz.com


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From: Bruce Kahn 
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 00:40:12 -0400
Subject: Vilna Gaon Conference

Here is some additional information on this conference.

Thus far we cannot give you concrete info. re the dates for the
Gaon's commemoration except for the following.  Discussions are still in the
works.  Concretely - Sept. 10 am = services at the Gaon's gravesite;
11th pm = ceremonial public meeting/concert at the opera; 10-12 = scientific
conference; 13th = prayers and lectures at the synagogue; probable opening
of an exhibition on the 10th; meeting with the Gaon's descendants on the
14th, visit to the memorial at Paneriai, unveiling of a memorial near
the Gaon's residence.  There will be performances by Jewish art collectives.

     It will be 200 years in October 1997 since the death of one of the
greatest Jewish religious thinkers, Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman.  As he was
connected to Vilnius throughout his entire lifetime, he became known as the Gaon of Vilnius. And there he lies buried.

     A Work Group for the commemoration of the 200th anniversary of the death of
the Gaon of Vilnius, formed by special decree of the President of Lithuania,
Algirdas Brazauskas, has been assigned to organize and carry out an appropriate
plan of commemorative events.

     The main proposed events include memorial holy services at the grave of the
Gaon, and at the synagogue; an international scientific conference, with
published materials; public lectures at the University of Vilnius, and at the Vytautas Magnus University in Kaunas; a large exhibit; a meeting with the Gaon's descendants; publication of a book about  the Gaon by prof. M. ubas; publication of a commemorative postal stamp and envelope; release of a commemorative coin; a
public ceremony, with the participation of foreign guests, a diplomatic
corps, and so forth, where a special commemorative musical piece in honor of the Gaon, will be prmiered; an excursion and formal meeting in Kdainiai, where the Gaon grew up.

     All of the main events will take place during September 10-15, 1997; the
scientific conference will be held September 10-12.

     Preparations for the commemoration of the 200th anniversary of the
death of the Gaon have attracted very great international interest.  It is foreseen that principal events will be broadcast over international television and radio.

     The commemoration will be financed by private sponsors from various
countries, as well as community organizations and funding agencies.  A fund has been
set up in order to facilitate financing of the commemorative events.  Its account is
held at the Vilniaus Bankas - bank code 260101777;  foreign currency acct. nr. 57089065.

     We invite your participation at the commemoration of the 200th
anniversary of the death of the Gaon, and appreciate any support in organizing this event, which is of great cultural significance to Lithuania.

     For more detailed information please contact the Jewish Community of
Lithuania at Pylimo g. 4, Vilnius; tel. 370 2-613003; fax 370 2-227915

Bruce Kahn   bkahn@servtech.com

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From: Harveylk@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:13:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: KEIDAN


Please note my new address for Keidan mailings:

    HarveyLK @aol.com

Hope you're well, and best wishes for Pesach,

Harvey

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From: Ulenspigel@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:27:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bursteins of Kaunas or Keidan

My grandmother, Brucha, was one of four Burstein siblings, Brucha, Deborah,
Hisupy and Felix, They came from Keidan or Kaunas probably in the 1890's. I
think they lived in Cleveland.
Have I any cousins out there?
Best regards.
Bob Wilson

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