Conceal carry handgun classes in New
Mexico
2009
First posted
Wednesday May 13, 2009 18:22
Updated 07
Friday November 13, 2009
06:28
Friday November 13, 2009 06:27
Liberal arts education is getting a BAD NAME. Justifiably, of course.
Advantage to posting web-based email is that you can make corrections or enhancements.
Statement
If the Sep 09/14/09 10:49 AM email is not bogus, then we are inclined by the evidence to conclude that NCUA is employing poorly educated incompetents.should be changed to
If the Sep 09/14/09 10:49 AM email is not bogus, then we are inclined by the evidence to conclude that NCUA is employing poorly educated incompetents or crooks.
or, maybe,
If the Sep 09/14/09 10:49 AM email is not bogus, then we are inclined by the evidence to conclude that NCUA is employing poorly educated incompetents or dishonest.
Audio 1
Audio 2
Audio 3
http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/concealcarry2009/concealcarry2009.htmm#helloThursday November 13, 2009 12:04
Certified return receipt requested and email
Senator Jeff Bingaman
703 Hart Senate Office Bldg.
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-5521
senator_bingaman@bingaman.senate.gov
Hello Senator Bingaman,
Thank you for
Its arrival causes us to ask your help to get a series of unfortunate matters involving New Mexico and the federal government peacefully settled since you wrote
[O]r if you need my assistance working with the federal government.
We do.
Genocide, we feel, is serious business especially since it apparently involves the US federal government during the Carter administration. We feel that this charge should be properly investigated and disposed.
We did our duty by filing a formal criminal complaint affidavit in New Mexico 97 civ 266 in June of 2007 which was FILED stamp by the clerk of federal court.
Our efforts to obtain help from former air force secretary Thomas C Reed and ambassador Ryan Crocker to help get these unfortunate matters peacefully settled have gone unanswered.
We do not ask your help with this court matter but rather seek your help in encouraging National Credit Union Administration [NCUA] to follow reasonable procedures in processing our fraud loss insurance claim for $22,036.00 stolen from our Sandia Laboratory Federal Credit Union retirement-protected savings accounts using a bogus court order which was not FILED stamped by the clerk of court.
In a nut shell here's what happened in reverse order.
1 We filed a fraud loss claim with NCUA Region 5 in Phoenix on Friday August 28, 2009 by certified return receipt requested letter.
2 We received in response an unsigned email date-time stamped Sep 09/14/09 10:49 AM.
We feel that an unsigned, perhaps bogus, email is an improper response to a certified return receipt requested fraud loss claim letter.
Evidence of a possible bogus email is in the statement
[N]CUA does not insure against fraud loss. The NCUA is the independent federal agency that charters and supervises federal credit unions. In addition, we provide insurance on deposits in federally insured credit unions in the event of a credit union failure; however, we do not provide the type of insurance you state in your email. You cannot file a fraud loss claim with us.
appears to be a lie in view of NCUA home page statement
![]()
and
Title 12 Chapter 14, Subchapter II, § 1781. Insurance of member accounts (4) to provide protection and indemnity against burglary, defalcation, and other similar insurable losses, of the type, in the form, and in an amount at least equal to that required by the laws under which the credit union is organized and operates;If the Sep 09/14/09 10:49 AM email is not bogus, then we are inclined by the evidence to conclude that NCUA is employing poorly educated incompetents.
In either event we ask your help to receive a letter determination of our fraud loss claim from NCUA Region 5 justifying any reason for not paying our prima facie fraud loss claim.
We feel that we are currently victims of insurance failure to pay perpetrated in the State of Arizona.
Sincerely,
William H Payne
distribution
boardmail@ncua.gov
oedmail@ncua.gov
oigmail@ncua.gov
iemail@ncua.gov
anthonybrobinson@comcast.net
bridges@whitman.edu
mayor@cabq.gov
jhamman@cabq.gov
rshultz@cabq.gov
bill.leonard@nara.gov
foialo@nsa.gov
julia.eichhorst@ic.fbi.gov
the.secretary@hq.doe.gov
alexander.morris@hq.doe.gov
jim.kovakas@usdoj.gov
tanya.kubinec@wpafb.af.mil
Amorales58@Comcast.Net
region1@ncua.gov
region2@ncua.gov
region3@ncua.gov
region4@ncua.govWednesday November 11, 2009 09:26
Read and posted Tuesday November 10 2007.
From: "Daniel Geier"
To: bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2009 9:09:42 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RE: fileberto baca
Dear Sir, Can you please remove me from your e-mail sendings. I would appreciate it. Thanks! Daniel Geier.
From: bpayne37@comcast.net [mailto:bpayne37@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:24 PM
To: martznc@msm.com; Catherine Chavez
Cc: Daniel Geier; mayor@cabq.gov; jhamman@cabq.gov; rshultz@cabq.gov; morales, art; alexander.morris@hq.doe.gov; jim.kovakas@usdoj.gov; tanya.kubinec@wpafb.af.mil; region1@ncua.gov; region2@ncua.gov; region3@ncua.gov; region4@ncua.gov; ttomasi; Hall, Cargill; the.secretary@hq.doe.gov; alexander.morris@hq.doe.gov; region1; region2@ncua.gov; region3@ncua.gov; region4@ncua.gov
Subject: fileberto baca
Hello Nathan,
How is your petition coming?
Thursday November 5, 2009
http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/concealcarry2009/concealcarry2009.htm
Visibility is essential in legal matters.
Thursday November 5, 2009
The Best Justice That Money Can Buy
Read and posted Tuesday November 3, 2009
http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/concealcarry2009/concealcarry2009.htm
From: "Daniel Geier" dgeier@armedresponseteam.com
To: bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:53:56 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: RE: Your card and brochure
Dear Bill, My name is Daniel Geier. I left flyers in all mailboxes in your area yesterday because we installed a new system to one of your neighbors. We were also informed that several break ins had occurred in you area within the last 30 60 days. I apologize for not mailing my info. Most people are not home during the day, this is why I simply tried to introduce myself, and our company by leaving it the boxes. Please feel free to call me. Thanks.
Dan Geier
Armed Response Team
(505) 907-2507
From: bpayne37@comcast.net [mailto:bpayne37@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:46 PM
To: Daniel Geier
Cc: Catherine Chavez; ttomasi
Subject: Your card and brochure
Hello Mr Geier,
We have some questions later.
regards
bill
Received Monday November 02, 2009
One of the authors of the petition to the new mayor about the police taking 2-6 hours to respond to burglar complaints.
Complaint filed at
Steve Schiff USPS branch at Eubank and Candelaria, Albuqerque, NM about
11:30 Friday October 23, 2009.
Red sections containing no useful Tony or
bill audio were cut.

Rash of burglaries where doors are kicked in the middle of the day have caused neighbors to draft and get signed a petition to the new mayor for prompt police response. Petition was distributed for signatures on Wednesday October 21, 2009.
Police are taking 2-6 hours to respond, neighbor reported.
Police substation near Montgomery and Tramway [red square] is
apparently unmanned, neighbor also reported.

Let's see what the machos have to suggest for getting our stolen
$22,036.00 back, sending the perps to prison and peacefully resolving these
unfortunate matters.
Let's get them up to speed with
nojeh
nsa lawsuit.
Who Can Use A Mailbox
Only authorized letter carriers may place mail or packages into the mail receptacle. No part of the mail receptacle may be used to deliver anything that does not contain postage. This includes items attached to the box, hung from the box or inserted into the mail box. Any mailable material not displaying postage and found in the mailbox is subject to the same amount of postage as if it were carried by a mail carrier.
To report this issue, you will need to contact the local Post Office.
Hello Mr Geier,
The protection racket.
Below found in mail box on Calle de Sandias October 22, 2009.
Truck with Armed Response Team sign parked at home on west side of Calle de Sandias at about noon Thursday October 22, 2009.
Photo of driveway were above occurred taken Friday October 23, 2009.
Sunday July 19, 2009 07:20
All of Bird's examples were similar to the below example of shooting in "self defense."
Instuctor Robert Ray was extemely outspoken about not shooting people.
http://home.comcast.net~bpayne37/concealcarry2009/birdhorror/birdhorror.htm#birdhorror
Conceal carry handgun course was fun and interesting.
Primary message from instructor and videos was keep physical distance from you and the bad guys.
Our impression that it is generally not a good idea to carry concealed and a terrible idea to use a handgun to threaten. That Mr Tomasi pointed out is a fourth degree felony by an example of a car making waves.
We are dealing with bad guys.
But in order to expose them we need visibility.Hence primary reason for attending, photographing and digital mp3 recording of 15 hour class.
We have no intention of pursuing concealed handgun license further.
Mr Ure points out below that if you get a license to carry concealed, then you will likely be put on a list.Our bad guys are killers [genocide] which we will try to bring to justice.
We hope to use our knowledge of how liberal arts graduates think to help get our $22,036.00 back. And hopefully send Sandia Laboratory Federal Credit Union CEO Christopher Jillson to prison for nine years.
And, thanks to Mr Tomasi, more knowledge of how the police mind works to get APD to properly process a felony criminal complaint affidavit.We included the links
Swiss Radio International Hans Buehler mp3 radio programs [33 megabytes].
Hans Buehler letter.for the reason Mr Tomasi's day job is with the Defense Nuclear Agency in Albquerque, NM.
We want Mr Tomasi to know that Mr Buehler phoned from Zurich in early 1995 and saidBill, They have nukes.Let's all try to work toward peaceful settlement of these unfortunate matters.
Monday July 13, 2009 06:14
Kerry.Handguns don't look to us as the way out of these messes.
Made it.
Despite many hazards.
http://home.comcast.ne/t~bpayne37/conclealcarry2009/birdhorror//concealcarry2009.htm#kerrySaturday July 11, 2009 19:57
----- Forwarded Message -----Tomasi passed out below plastic laminated advice card on Saturday July 11, 2009.
From: bpayne37@comcast.net
To: "ttomasi" ttomasi@comcast.net
Cc: "Fred Fair" fredfair@taosnet.com, "Cargill Hall" overflight@att.net, "Bob Collins" bcuw@wbhsi.net, "Melvin Davidson" melnbarbara@comcast.net, "brian dohe" dohe@whitman.edu, "John/Catherine Alsip" jkalsip@gmail.com bridges@whitman.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 7:34:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: the age of paine and Culiacán carryTom
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090703_the_age_of_paine/
Fred Fair
legendary Taos New Mexico pilot Fred Fair - Pro Se Fights Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Rumsfeld Taos neighbor Fred Fair Hi Bill, Thanks for that wonderful Taos file. I've been to Taos ... www.prosefights.org/shattuck/fredfair/fredfair.htm
commented that some in Mexico carry their pistols in a holster on their belt behind their backs.
If walked with my S&W 22A strapped to my side like you had your handgun today, I'm sure APD would get cell phone complaints.
Culiacán carry might not cause many APD cell phone complaints?
Your opinion tomorrow, please.
bill
Payne told US Marshals to get off his property, then photographed them.
Despite of threat of arrest by marshall Halverson, Payne posted encounter to the web.![]()
We're taking concealed handgun qualification course from Tom Tomasi on Saturday/Sunday July 11/12, 2009.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: ttomasi@comcast.net
To: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 9:13:59 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: jim and wildhorse mesaBill,
with the gun rental and 2 boxes of ammo, that will be $50 even.
Tom
The US has "absolutely not" given Israel a green light to attack Iran over its nuclear programme, President Barack Obama has said.
Iran Had a Democracy Before We Took It Away post of below links.
A message for Chris Morris at DOE.
Swiss Radio International Hans Buehler mp3 radio programs [33 megabytes].
Hans Buehler letter.
The Swiss Radio International broadcasted two English programs about Crypto AG. This is a transcript from the broadcasts in May 15, 1994 (25 minutes).
http://home.comcast.ne/t~bpayne37/conclealcarry2009/birdhorror//theinvestigation.htm#tomasi
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: bpayne37@comcast.net
To: ttomasi@comcast.net
Cc: "Cargill Hall" overflight@att.net, "art morales" amorales58@comcast.net, "David Woodward" dawood01@earthlink.net, "mike flattley" mike.flattley@comcast.net, mlmerritt2005@yahoo.com, george@ure.net
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:00:16 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: thank you and CCW Permit QuestionTom
I tried to print out what you told me to in attachment.
Perhaps below comments might interest you?
Reader writes this About getting a CCW (concealed carry weapon) or CCL (concealed carry license):
"Do you have any thoughts one way or the other regarding applying for a concealed carry license? I live close to the ground economically ("retired"?) after a "professional" career, since it maximizes freedom of action for me. I'm wondering if you figure it would be better to get a CCL or just buy what I need and let it be. Open carry is legal, as is CC on my own property, but reading Dmitri Orlov's experience (and others) indicates that necessary excursions to town, etc., may be more safely done in the future if carrying. On the other hand, a CCL raises your profile and may put you in the category of "undesirable" to some among TPTB. Carrying concealed without (or even with) the permit may be troublesome in an era of checkpoints, etc., and open carry in town may just be stupid. We can't all be permanent hermits."
I was wondering if you could share your perspective on this one, or toss it to your readership."I don't personally hold a CCW. Not that I couldn't pass the test on the range, or know the laws, but like you, I have concerns about putting my name in some registry or other that would identify me as a handgun owner. While I'm already in a registry for owning an AK-47, that's not an unreasonable thing to have in the cougar, wild hog, and deer-infested East Texas outback.
For example, if a CCW holder is pulled over for a routine traffic stop, say speeding for example, my understanding is that you're supposed to say "I am a concealed permit holder and I am (or am not) carrying at this time." The idea being that this exchange of information means to the officer that "Ah, this fellow is armed, but since he has a CCW he is probably not a felon on the lamb..." Makes sense.
At least it makes sense as long as there is civil order and life as we know/knew it goes on as it has in a nice orderly way.
However, fast-forward into the future where things are socially so out-of-control that there won't be traffic stops and police will be deployed to protect banks and food outlets. That's when open carry starts to make sense. A CCW in my mind hides a possible deterrent. Of course, it may also make you a target, too, so time and circumstances will vary all over the place.
My simple answer is reread Orlov and try to picture how a Soviet-style breakdown would 'feel' and work out here in the USA.
---
One thing to keep an eye is the "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009" which would (if I read it right) require every gun to be registered and no, I'm dead-set against that. My copy of the Constitution may be outdated but is still has a 'right to bear arms' provision in it.
By the way, speaking of things, sometime go read the www.govtrack.us 'group letter' that was sent to congress on HR 45 because it contains some very interesting points about whether gun control really works - or not. A portion of the GovTrack group letter project reads:
"* In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated. This doesn't include the 30 million "Uncle Joe" starved to death in the Ukraine.* In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Germany established gun control in 1928. In 1938, the Nazis extended that control to ban the possession of military style weapons and to outlaw the sale of any weapons without government approval. (This sounds a lot like some of the current gun control efforts being pushed for in our country today.) From 1939 to 1945, the Gestapo & SS killed millions of people unable to defend themselves.
* China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up & exterminated.
* Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up & exterminated.
* Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up & exterminated. The total dead are said to be 2-3 million.
* Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1-2 million "educated" people unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Defenseless people rounded up & exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.
* During W.W. II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED.
Note: Admiral Yamamoto, who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor, had attended Harvard University from 1919 to 1921 and was a Naval Attaché to the U.S. from 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor, and our Army had been deprived of funding and was ill prepared to defend the country. It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U.S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U.S. and knew that almost all households had guns.
* Gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results: Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent). While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady DECREASE in armed robbery with firearms, that changed drastically upward in the first year after gun confiscation... since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed; There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults on the Elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort & expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
With guns.... We are "citizens".
Without Them.... We are "subjects".
Hope to see you tomorrow.
Regards
bill
Thursday May 14, 2009 07:10
was an electronics rep who bill did some business with while working at Sandia lab.
He now works for Ron Peterson guns.
A Texas Instruments rep put me in touch with him.
Deflation?
From: ttomasi@comcast.nethttp://home.comcast.ne/t~bpayne37/conclealcarry2009/birdhorror//concealcarry2009.htm#concealcarry2009
To: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:57:21 PM GMT -08:00 Tijuana / Baja California
Subject: Re: concealed carry courseBill,
Let me see if I can answer your questions. My course is $125, and the next one is July 11-12. I can give a 10% discount for senior citizens so your price would be $112.
But you mention you are not interested in obtaining a concealed carry course and "you may be advised to take a refresher" course. Who advised you to take a refresher course? What 'refresher' are you looking for? You only need to take a refresher course if you have a current concealed carry license.
If you only shot a S&W 22a in the course you took a couple years ago, then Mr. Ray was correct in not sending you a diploma (course completion certificate) as the Law in NM states you have to shoot at least a 32 caliber handgun in order to receive a certificate of completion.
Please give me a call and we can discuss our questions.
Tom Tomasi
249-9942
From: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
To: businessmanager@perkinsprotectiontraining.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:28:32 PM GMT -08:00 Tijuana / Baja California
Subject: concealed carry handgun courseMr perkins
Nice to talk to you on the phone.
Several years ago I took a concealed carry handgun course from Mr. Ray.
My main interest in that course was handgun safety and education.
I used a S&W 22a since I was not interested in obtaining a license.
I think I passed the course but Mr Ray never sent promised diploma.
I obtained a copy your brochure at Sportsmans Warehouse.
Because of economic conditions and other reasons I may be advised to take a refresher course.
I am UNinterested in a New Mexico concealed carry license.
How much?
Do you offer a senior citizen discount?
Thanks
bill
From: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
To: reidhaskamp@ahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:21:11 PM GMT -08:00 Tijuana / Baja California
Subject: concealed carry courseMr Haskamp
Several years ago I took a concealed carry handgun course from Mr. Ray.
My main interest in that course was handgun safety and education.
I used a S&W 22a since I was not interested in obtaining a license.
I think I passed the course but Mr Ray never sent promised diploma.
I obtained a copy your brochure at Sportsmans Warehouse.
Because of economic conditions and other reasons I may be advised to take a refresher course.
I am UNinterested in a New Mexico concealed carry license.
How much?
When?
Do you offer a senior citizen discount?
Thanks
bill![]()
From: "bill payne" bpayne37@comcast.net
To: ttomasi@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 4:11:02 PM GMT -08:00 Tijuana / Baja California
Subject: concealed carry courseMr Tomasi
Several years ago I took a concealed carry handgun course from Mr. Ray.
My main interest in that course was handgun safety and education.
I used a S&W 22a since I was not interested in obtaining a license.
I think I passed the course but Mr Ray never sent promised diploma.
I obtained a copy your brochure at Sportsmans Warehouse.
Because of economic conditions and other reasons I may be advised to take a refresher course.
I am UNinterested in a New Mexico concealed carry license.
How much?
When?
Do you offer a senior citizen discount?
Thanks
bill