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25.3.97 19:53 This experiment in democracy. From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Social Democracy- Gov't of the future Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:06:12 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. D S Robinson wrote: > Socialism and communism are good systems, but at best are redundent, at > worst terrible dictatorships. If the human race, in whole, were capable > of being mature enough to consider the needs of others before > themselves, we would survive under any type of economic system. Terrible dictatorships only if they do not have democracy. The same is true of capitalism, especially if the rich have a louder voice than the poor. > Until the day humanity realizes the wisdom of Christ, we will continue > to steal, hate people (not ideas), start and continue wars, and in > general be very annoying to each other. The first commandment was merely a way to keep followers within the religion. The second is what really counts. Blind faith to any set of values without thinking for yourself is what leads to warfare. "Great" military leaders love playing with their troops, like a set of pawns. Do they expose their own children to terrorist bombings or send their closest friends to go throw stones at armed soldiers? Of course not. --------- War hath no fury like a non-combatant. -- C. Montague
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Social Democracy- Gov't of the future Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:53:41 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. James A. Donald wrote: > We tried social democracy, and it stinks. The usual excuse give (for > example in France) is that it was not social enough and needs more > socialism. But try too much of that, as in Sweden, and you start to > smell a distinct odor of communism, so people have little choice but > to turn around and start heading in the other direction. > It is not clear who is making revolution in Albania, but the socialist > party, which a year ago was the communist party, is begging for NATO > intervention to stop them, from which we may conclude that whoever the > revolutionaries are, they are surely not communists or socialists. You still think that these "communists" are real communists? You cannot achieve economic equality if you can't vote thieves out of office. You probably still think that Western democracies are democracies as well. You cannot achieve political equality if the rich are able to buy their way (or their laws) into power. This "experiment in democracy" has been a failure because the wealthy have more freedom of expression. Perhaps a BETTER version of the electoral college needs to be found. It is indeed difficult to engage in discussion when there are too many voices. However, at the workplace, you have far less people reporting to the same manager. If you implement real democracy and freedom of expression at that level, and each level above it on up, you might achieve a truly representative democracy... instead of this fake one that we have now.
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.society.labor-unions,alt.philosophy.objectivism,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Owning Property, Physical & Intellectual Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:19:46 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Giovanni 8 wrote: > Trade secrets, patents, and copyrights do not cause inefficiency. > Trade secrets is merely the application of the right to own > what you have created to the creation of a process or formula. > That process or formula did not exist, was known by no one, > before it was created by some one. THINK, man, THINK. If you "clone" a piece of information by teaching it to someone else, or EVERYONE else, what's happened? Society has improved. Knowledge has been gained. Why is life better now than in 1900? Knowledge. If you hide that knowledge, use it to produce your own product, what happens? You enrich yourself, sure. Then everyone tries to copy your product or reverse engineer it. You call this EFFICIENT? How much time is wasted on reinvention because of all this idiotic secrecy? How much MORE could have been learned if they were actually researching something NEW? Society needs to find a new way to reward invention without all this lame capitalism.
From: "T. Hobbes" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.society.labor-unions,alt.philosophy.objectivism,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Trespassing Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:47:47 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Giovanni 8 wrote: > > with guns. Let's go back in time when there was more land > > than anybody knew what to do with. So early humans just > > used what they felt like. How did they ever come about > > dividing up the land? > That's where you went wrong. They never "held it all in common" > to be able to "divide it up". First, no land was owned, then > someone realized that "Hey! I could use this piece of unvalued, > unoccupied, unowned land." and from that point, s/he (Fair) > owned it. And then he used intimidation and coercion to prevent anyone else from using the land that he "claimed". If you're the only person that wants it, fine, it's yours. But if someone else would also like to make a living from it, then you owe him either his share, or a portion of what you produce. THAT is the difference between cooperation and conquest.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.medicine,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Industrial Revolution, does anyone get to live? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:54:20 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Greg L. Lange wrote: > I want to ask some of our liberal friends if the > government starts doing all you want it to do > for all the less fortunate you were put on this > planet to protect: > Will anyone be able to eat a piece of bread without > thinking about his neighbor who doesn't have any? Ever heard of the industrial revolution? It's this marvelous thing that happened a while back when not everybody had to be farmers anymore and could freely go congregate in hugely dense cities, producing new products for everyone (until, of course, capitalism came along and started producing new products for whomever had the most money). > Will anyone be able to work hard and earn what he > has and be proud of his accomplishments even if > others haven't done the same? Look again at how your salary is determined. In a monarchy, the king decides how much the king gets paid. In a democracy, the citizens decide how much the "king" gets paid. Why? Because it's the citizens who are the workers and the taxpayers. Now, in an economic "monarchy", consumers do the paying and employees do the working.
19.3.97 Blind faith to Socialist ideals. From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.radical-left,alt.atheism,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.theory,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: socialism and athiesm Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:16:30 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin wrote: > > It's blind faith to capitalism here > >that is holding back democracy. > Some of us don't worship at the altar of democracy. > Myself, I hold to the ideal of liberty. Democracy is the best form of > government yet known for defending liberty, but it is not perfect. Ok, fine. "It's blind faith to capitalism here that is holding back liberty." How much freedom of expression do you have? If someone gags you, have you lost your liberty? If someone drowns you out with a huge stereo system? If someone takes down your posters or covers them up with other ones? If someone drowns out your ideas with random arguments over cloning or budgets? If someone grabs your TV, has he taken away your liberty? If someone asks you for your TV at the point of a gun, has he taken away your liberty? If someone guards a TV that used to be shared, and charges you $5 for the right to watch it? ---- Capitalism grows out of the barrel of a gun.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.radical-left,alt.atheism,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: socialism and athiesm Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:16:51 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Peter LaVenia wrote: > Socialism provides an answer to people who cry for more religion, does > it not? With it we can finally claim our greatest achievements for > ourself, not some far off or non - existant God, no? Socialism is one of > the best alternatives to close minded "Christian" conservatives. I > often wonder why Christian conservatives can't see that Jesus was the > first socialist. Perhaps someday we will be at peace with ourselves > enough not to have to believe in a higher deity. There is good and bad in everything. Religion itself is not as bad a problem as blind faith. Even blind faith to Socialist ideals is a problem. The most valuable thing you can do is to think for yourself. And the second is to actually listen to those who disagree, and tell them what you think is wrong. You'll both learn something. It's blind faith that results in attacks on other people despite a Commandment to not murder. It's blind faith that past communist governments have failed, because of a lack of democracy. It's blind faith to capitalism here that is holding back democracy.
20.3.97 15:03 We improve ourselves. 20.3.97 15:12 Mob rule and censorship. 21.3.97 17:15 The blame for everything you don't get. 21.3.97 17:25 A fire hydrant or a dog. 21.3.97 17:41 Century-long pyramid scheme. 28.3.97 11:51 Competing ideas, not competing people. From: "H.C. Andersen" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:44:55 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > Again Arne does his famous dodge around "inconvenient" facts. General > Patton realized the Jewish agenda in WWII, and that WWII was fought > primarily for Jewish interest and *against* the American interest, > demolishing the only buffer against the Soviet takeoever of Eastern > Europe. I think General Patton was in a good position as any to > assess the situation. World War II was fought because Hitler was a capitalist idiot. Because he and his capitalist autocrats thought that they could be richer by robbing the world of gold and art, by forcing people to do labor at the point of a gun. So what happened? Hyperinflation. Gold and art is ONLY valuable if there are people who want it. Labor is ONLY valuable if people are actually WILLING to do it, instead of sabotaging their oppressors every chance they get. When Hitler FINALLY realized this, he realized everything he ever stood for was wrong, but refused to admit it. Eternal damnation. Divisive philosophies are NOT fit to survive. THAT is why the ONLY nations left today that can support their citizens either share power through democracy or share wealth through communism.
From: "H.C. Anderson" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:51:06 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. The BOK wrote: > This system does have its advantages. It allows a general flow of > intelligent leaders to the top through competition. It structures > society through this competition. Wrong. This system works because of democracy and a good deal of freedom of expression. Good ideas are spread, and bad ideas are exposed. This system works because of competing IDEAS, not competing PEOPLE. Competing people only serves to HIDE ideas, HIDE information. Competing people resort to violence, and what happens? At least one, if not both, die, when they could've been working together instead. Human civilization was founded on cooperation - to compete against the forces of NATURE. Duh. Capitalists, racists, and autocrats have completely forgotten that. Dooming civilization to fear and hatred.
From: "T. Hobbes" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:41:03 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > contrary to popular belief. While America's "democracy" left its > citizens to rot on streetcorners selling pencils, NS gave millions of > Germans the opportunity to attend cultural and sporting events, as > well as cinema, theatre, and sea cruises -- most of which was > subsidized by the state. You mean America's capitalism - where people actually believed that the value of their labor depended on the value of a piece of green paper or the value of a piece of stock. Humans invented currency as an efficient way of exchanging labor. We did NOT invent labor as an efficienct way of exchanging CURRENCY. So what happened when Hitler ran out of enough currency to fund this labor? First, it was forced labor in the camps. Then it was military conquest to steal the "valuables" of other nations. Gold and art that is only "priceless" because of a century-long pyramid scheme. A complete capitalist idiot.
From: "T. Hobbes" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:25:37 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > It means precisely what it says: that Whites for over 50 years have > been indoctrinated by the Jewish mass media to accept the suicidal and > genocidal idea of multiracialism. Healthy racial instincts make > Whites naturally opposed to multiracialism. But over time many Whites > have fallen prey to propaganda which told them that their natural > instincts were 'wrong' and 'evil'. Indeed racial instincts ARE healthy. TO A POINT. The fact is, if you're sexually attracted to a fire hydrant or a dog, your chances of successfully mating and producing offspring are zero (well, unless it was a really SPECIAL fire hydrant). THAT is why it is evolutionarily beneficial to seek out those as similar to you as possible. It will even perpetuate your own versions of your genes (assuming that your genes are good). HOWEVER, here's where racial instincts become UNhealthy. When it prevents cooperation. When it promotes secrecy. When it leads to violence, in which one or both parties are killed. To tell the difference between harmful instincts and beneficial ones is why humans have a BRAIN. USE IT.
From: "T. Hobbes" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:15:44 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > The statistics on poor Whites as much as anything else reveal the > racial difference between Blacks and Whites. West Virginia, which is > 95% White, is one of the poorest states yet has one of the lowest > crime rates -- which gives the lie to the liberal excuse for grossly > disproportionate Black crime that "poverty causes crime." There is one single reason why there is both more crime among poor whites than rich whites, and blacks than whites. Laws are defined by WHOEVER is in power. The reason there is crime at all in this country is because there isn't a REAL democracy. Freedom of speech is limited not just by media control, but also by violence, coercion, and imprisonment. Why? Politicians don't want competition for their power. The wealthy don't want competition for their wealth. That's why the education system of this country is bogged down in useless subjects, and Affirmative Action (TM) gets the blame for everything you don't get. Duh, who decides how many students to admit and how many people to hire? The people should. Racists are mere pawns of those in power. ---- The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. -- Anatole France
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:12:47 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > I don't hate individualism. To the contrary, like Nietzsche I believe > man's object should be in its highest individuals. It is the > individual who should be free to excel according to his abilities and > talents -- both for his own sake, and for the good of his fellow > people. I don't like mob rule. I think the people should be led by > the most qualified and moral individuals. I am certainly not a > democrat. Mob rule would not be a problem IF freedom of debate were preserved. No one being denied the right to expression by violence, intimidation, or expensive airtime costs. It is only by debate that stupid ideas are exposed and new ideas are introduced. And it is censorship that prevents the spread of new ideas or perpetuates wrong ones. ------ To summarize: it is a well known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem. - D. Adams
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler (National Alliance History!) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:03:53 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > incomprehensible and irreplaceable loss. No Negro people can produce > what Rembrandt or Mozart or Beethoven or Edison created -- those are > gifts genetically-linked to our White gene pool. Wrong. The reason there are so many great artists, musicians, and writers among the wealthy is because of one reason alone: wealth. They don't have to spend all day digging up dirt or at a factory. Instead, their money allows them to spend as much time at school as they want, their money allows them to take risks without worrying where their next meal is going to come from. > To destroy that > gene pool is to destroy the world greatest civilizing, cultural, and > inventive pool of talent and genius. Talk about destruction. The gene pool hardly matters anymore. Human beings have long surpassed primitive individual evolution and now evolve as a society. We improve ourselves simply by teaching, learning, and recording what we have learned. It is those who hide behind trade secrets and national security secrets, who obstruct communication with racism and violence, that hold back progress.
19.3.97 Not even by majority vote. 21.3.97 16:58 Victims of competition. From: "H.C. Andersen" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:29:25 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > Nonsense. Hitler gained power because he was immensely popular with > the German people. His National Socialist party was the most popular > one in Germany. It was subsequently funded by German businessmen. Yeah, by killing anyone who disagrees or throwing them into prison camps. We could do the same to you too, but we don't. Why? Because we believe in liberty. Because we believe everyone has a right to speak her mind without fear of intimidation or violence. Because we believe in competition of ideas, and not competition of people. Because we believe in mutual education and the advancement of knowledge. Duh. > The Communists used violence and intimidation against their opponents, > just as they have always done in every country. Hitler's party fought > back against the communists with the same tactics. If Hitler hadn't > defeated communism it would have seized Germany long before it did. "Communists" do not. AUTOCRATS do. Communism and democracy work because of mutual agreement. Capitalism and autocracy are based on economic and political competition, and are both damned to eternal inefficiency, jealousy, fear, and death.
From: "T. Hobbes" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:58:01 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > If you want to fight on the side of the non-Whites, Jews, freaks, > queers, and race-mixers, that's -your- decision. May the strongest > and fittest side win. Should you lose, of course, you'll be given a > proper execution and your descendants will bear the knowledge that > their relative was a race-traitoring scumbag, a disgrace to White > ancestors like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson who wouldn't > have given spit for your kind. Yeah right. It's loser ideas like yours that are doomed to extinction. It's losers like you that wind up killing each other off. THAT'S why there's nobody like you around. It's losers like you that waste your time destroying instead of creating. It's loser puppets like you that capitalists love, because you divide up the masses in internal hatred, never looking up to see who is at the top of the Tower of Babel. Wealth knows no race, religion, or sexuality. It only knows power and profit. Fools like you will be their slaves forever. Victims of the capitalist worship of competition.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.survivalism,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns,alt.philosophy.objectivism Subject: Re: Jefferson vs Hitler Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:37:11 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Roger Hughes wrote: > Comparing Hitler to a criminal like Joe Stalin - as is now > fashionable for liberals - we find that Hitler enjoyed > tremendous popularity among the the Germans, whereas Stalin > ruled through brute force and terror. > depression, Germany was booming: nearly full employment I can achieve full employment too. Just kill all the unemployed. I can achieve 100% support as well. Just kill everyone who is against me. What makes Hitler, Stalin, and capitalists wrong is that they were (are) able to control people with violence. Gas chambers, guns, title deeds backed up by mercenaries. The ultimate society would not be dominated by the few, not even by majority vote... but would be one in which power was always being given to the powerless: the famous Power Hot Potato. (Backed, of course, by freedom of debate, so that everyone might actually learn something).
17.3.97 22:15 Substitute money. 17.3.97 22:18 Some 3rd world countries. 24.3.97 Security through obscurity. From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.reform,or.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Free food, was Re: CEO Salaries? What's the Problem? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:51:34 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Bill Koehler wrote: > > Not quite. Here are your paths to capitalist success: > > Be so smart that nobody can possibly compete. Or, be > > so rich that nobody can possibly compete. Or if you > > don't have quite enough brains, substitute money. > Bill Gates the drop out must be the exception to your > statement. You bums want what you haven't earned. So you're saying he was both dumb and poor? Maybe he realized universities are a big crock of shit. Maybe he realized how much of a total waste so much of research is. Lame idiots trying to write useless papers just to keep themselves employed, and yet afraid to really tell the whole truth, because after that, there would be nothing to talk about, and they'd be on welfare. Everybody knows just about anybody can do their own job with barely any additional education. But everyone is afraid to say it, for fear of being labeled a fool. So we waste years and years of "education" on hospital "internships" and music "theory". Oh great competitive society. ------ "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before," Bokonon tells us. "He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." -- Kurt Vonnegut
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.reform,or.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Free food, was Re: CEO Salaries? What's the Problem? Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:39:25 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Kevin E. Bertsch wrote: > Zaphod,you clearly have no experience in the world of business, and a > stunning ignorance of business history. There are numerous episodes of > huge, rich organizations that went bust because they made errors. I have > worked for firms large and small, and even the largest - a > multi-billion dollar telecom equipment maker - didn't know how big the > market for many of its products was, or would be. They didn't know what > features were most important to their customers, or what the price of > their competitors' systems were. No duh. It's because they were run by autocrats. This is the same reason why autocratic political systems fail. Those high&mighty fools think they know everything there is to know, when all they know is a bunch of Rand fairy tales. Democracy succeeds because the answers are all there. You just need the freedom of expression necessary for someone to say it. Not just employee democracy, but consumer democracy as well. It's amazing how many companies and governments need to be constantly reinvented, simply because unpopular opinions are always being censored. How long ago did Marx write his manifesto? How long ago did Athens invent democracy? How long ago did Freedom of Speech (TM) make it into our constitution? And STILL, not a single country has any of that, because those in power are always fighting it, or trying to obscure it with long, difficult translations using shitloads of difficult vocab, just so the only ones who will be able to make heads or tails of it are academics. Wouldn't want to lose my cushy university job now, would I? Capitalism: security through obscurity.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.reform,or.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Free food, was Re: CEO Salaries? What's the Problem? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:18:30 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Ian L. Bayne wrote: > This guy should leave his suburban home and visit some 3rd world > countries. > Let him know what violence TRULY is. In those countries no one even has > a soul to sell to ANYONE. Third world countries that are victims to the great capitalist construct of colonialism. We take as much of their labor and raw materials as we can. In return, with give them back a fraction of our own labor and a fraction of their own resources back. Do we teach them how to make finished goods? What? Think I'm stupid? Why ruin such a great business opportunity?
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.reform,or.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Free food, was Re: CEO Salaries? What's the Problem? Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:15:13 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Keith Marchington wrote: > > Go find yourself a brain dimwit. Capitalists already have > > all the resources needed for any production under armed > > guard. THAT is why no one can support himself without > > selling his soul to capitalism. THAT is why workers are > > forced to give their shareholders a cut of everything > > made. Capitalism is rooted in violence, watered with > > fraud, and harvested with coercion. > Once again, "cyu" parades the notion that only those > who currently "have" and their progeny, can attain > wealth. It's a lie, pure and simple. Not quite. Here are your paths to capitalist success: Be so smart that nobody can possibly compete. Or, be so rich that nobody can possibly compete. Or if you don't have quite enough brains, substitute money.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.media,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,alt.journalism.criticism,alt.news-media Subject: Re: Sometimes being anti-democratic is good! Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:28:03 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Daniel Hugh Nexon wrote: > >For Example If 51% of the people voted that you should be killed, you > >would get killed! > >It was democratic, right? But was it Fair? Absolutely not! > The second, which Mill is even more worried about, is the extra-governmental > destruction of rights by the tyranny of societal pressure -- the crushing > pressure to conform to custom, tradition, and majority norms by those > who seek only to practice their own way of life without directly > interfering with the same rights of others. A modern example of this would > be prohibiting gay marriage, or homosexual sodomy, or the distribution of > birth control (Mill himself was arrested for the last). What IS "good" is constant defense of those who have no power. Majority democracy was just one solution to the past wrong, in which the few had power over the many. An unanimous democracy is the ultimate solution. The wealthy can defend themselves. But if our society ever reaches a point when the wealthy CANNOT defend themselves, then by that definition, they have become powerless and deserve a champion.
16.3.97 The world's greatest minds. 23.3.97 18:16 The finger of blame. 23.3.97 18:24 Working against each other. 26.3.97 Most brutal form of censorship. From: "D. Gale" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Fossil fuels, was Re: Beyond Left and Right Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 14:18:01 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. James A. Donald wrote: > > You wouldn't need to ban anything if you simply implemented > > both employee and consumer democracy. > And if the employees vote that they are entitled to produce less for > more, and the customers vote that they should receive more for less, > who then gets to decide? It's called freedom of speech. Vital to the functioning of any democracy. Maybe you've heard of it. The REASON freedom of speech doesn't seem to be working so hot right now is that we live in a society based on competition. If the employees ACTUALLY educate the customers about the correctness of their policies, those customers will be in a position to replace them in their jobs. Ain't competition great?
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Fossil fuels, was Re: Beyond Left and Right Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:51:35 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Steve Emerson wrote: > : In your world, would you ban advertising? In your world, would you > : prevent companies from working together? From changing prices? > : From rescuing failing companies? From signing contracts? That is > : the implication of your statement. If yes, you would end the market > : as we know it and throw us into something more akin to the socialist > : countries. If no, you are just throwing up strawmen. > More specifically, I would ban collusion, i.e. companies > agreeing to articially raise the price. > I would ban end-dealer and wholesaler _exclusivity_ agreements. > I would ban price-gouging. You wouldn't need to ban anything if you simply implemented both employee and consumer democracy. If you are afraid of majority vote, then simply preserve freedom of expression for everyone, whether on TV, from a pulpit, or in a jail cell. Only censorship, whether by government, big business, or coercion, can hold down the rights that we all hold dear. What is execution but the most brutal form of censorship?
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions Subject: Re: Fossil fuels, was Re: Beyond Left and Right Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:24:35 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Max Kennedy wrote: > >When mankind began to research > >solar and wind energy, every lumber, coal, oil, and > >nuclear power company was against it... > >Ain't capitalism great? > If you mean using government force to prevent the free market > from operating, this isn't "capitalism". And who uses this "free" market to air commercials? Who uses this "free" market to distribute flyers and hold huge social gatherings disguised as rallies? The whole problem with a competitive society is that we're all working AGAINST each other. WHY? A new energy source should benefit EVERYONE, including those in coal, oil, whathaveyou. They should not have lost anything at all, but GAINED for having helped to support the education system that produced it. THAT is real incentive.
From: "H. Mencken" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions Subject: Re: Fossil fuels, was Re: Beyond Left and Right Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:16:26 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Tony Veca wrote: > >When mankind discovered fire, it was a day of celebration > >for all the world now had what seemed like a limitless > >energy source. When mankind discovered fossil fuels, it > >was a day of celebration, for all the world no longer had > >to rely on cutting down living trees for energy. When > >mankind discovered nuclear energy, it was a day of anger. > >Suddenly fossil fuel producers faced a loss in profits, > >and greater unemployment. When mankind began to research > >solar and wind energy, every lumber, coal, oil, and > >nuclear power company was against it... > >Ain't capitalism great? > Before you go on harping on capitalism. You would do well to ask yourself what > makes it posible for Big Power to maintain their monopolies? The answer is very > simple. They don't have to compete with each other. The government makes it > posible for the Power companies to maintain their local monopolies. This happens because voters don't own the government. Big money campaign contributions do. Big money lobbyists do. The people own this government only slightly more than the ex-Soviets owned theirs, and that is what accounts for our relative "success". Of course, our politicians are all too busy pointing the finger of blame. Why? Because not only is the entire electoral system of this country out of whack, but so is the justice system. What is the purpose of the justice system but to prevent crime? Actual punishment is only the most primitive form of prevention. REAL prevention is real debate. REAL debate happens when people are willing to tell the truth. REAL debate happens when people are not afraid of being censored for having unpopular views. Someone able to disagree with you is, in fact, one of the most valuable resources you can have. This is what introduces new ideas into the "philosophy pool" like new mutations into the gene pool.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Fossil fuels, was Re: Beyond Left and Right Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:47:48 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Henry Blaskowski wrote: > > There is nothing LIKE oil, otherwise it would BE oil. > Are you claiming there is no other way to produce power than by > burning oil? I guess all those people working on nuclear, > hydro-electric, solar, wind, etc, etc sources should just go home. Yep. And it is education that will let us drill deeper for new oil. It is education that will let us produce safer nuclear power. It is education that will make solar and wind power more efficient. It is education that will make hydro-electric power more environmentally safe. However, in capitalism, it's more profitable to go be a number cruncher on Wall Street instead of doing resource research, so the world's greatest minds are wasted on probability and game theory. In capitalism, if I, as a nuclear power plant worker, support an education program that researches solar power, then that will put me out of a job. I'm not that stupid.
From: "Z. Beeblebrox" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: ON PRIORITIES - We don't need "microwaves" but we do need jobs - A Post-Mortem Response to the Gdansk Shipyard Closure Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:24:05 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Terry McIntyre wrote: > Want to tell us about the rush of Americans to emmigrate to > Western Europe? Anyone who wishes to enjoy your rates of > unemployment is free to do so. Of course, American media, like the old Russian media, doesn't like to report on cases where the Europeans are doing better than us. We only like to report their failures. Keeps our egos nicely inflated, so we'd always be ready to kill anyone who dares mock our flag. We don't like to feel inferior, not even if there's something to be learned. Unemployment is only bad if people are dying because of it. But if you can ever achieve 100% unemployment without poverty, then your society has been a success, and people are free to do what they really WANT to do... like explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly... well, at least you wouldn't have to be a phone sex operator unless you REALLY wanted to.

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