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From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.youth,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.socialism,soc.rights.human,sci.econ,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.economics Subject: Re: Lynch Mobs Are Democratic was Re: The Death Penalty: Saving Lives? Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:39:54 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. c.a. utovac wrote: > > Then we should make it legal. I'm sure if we were able to vote on it, a > > majority would be in favor of it. Majority rules in elctions, right? > > Oooooooooppppppssss. Wrong. I forgot about Proposition 187 in > > California. While we American citizens tried to preserve our own > > heritage and instill patriotism, by overwhelmingly pasing proposition > > 187, the Supreme Court over ruled us. So much for majority rules. The > > Supreme Court RULES...So m uch for democracy!!! I guess you win, you > What if the majority elected to pass a law > which involved violating the rights and > freedoms of individuals (a truly bad law)? > Should that law be defended just because > majority rules? The biggest dogs confuse democracy with MAJORITY democracy. There's a whole range of numbers from 50% to 100% y'know. Anything less than unanimous democracy, and you cannot guarantee that rights will not be violated. THAT is why EVERYONE needs the power to brainwash others during a debate. Pavlov's Laws of Mutual Brainwashing: Repetition: The fear of rain was created by umbrella makers. Mutation: Loyalty was a "virtue" invented by kings to keep their pawns in line. Skepticism: If we teach gorillas our history, would they fight wars over it? Absorption: Pride is the irrelevant man's excuse for still feeling relevant. Focus: Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle. ------- History of the Universe: God trains Dog. Dog rebels. Dog trains God. God rebels. God trains Dog. Dog rebels. Will the cycle never end?
From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.activism,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.youth,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.activism.youth-rights,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,soc.culture.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.rights.human,sci.econ,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: The Death Penalty: & Restitution. Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:32:25 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. > jim blair wrote: > > You oppose taking the organs of convicted killers when they are executed, > > but not to taking organs from non-murders if they suggest ways to save > > the lives of some of those now dying for lack of transplantable organs. Far better to PRETEND to execute murderers, as a warning to all potential murderers, instead of actually killing them at all. How will anyone ever know? Peace is the goal. Reporting an execution is the tool. In fact, we can't be sure if ANY past convicted murderers were ever put to death unless we were THERE watching the execution. Even IF executions are broadcast on TV, we can't be sure that it's not just a set-up. The perception of upholding justice is far more important than upholding justice. THAT is why we fabricate false evidence to convict people. ------- War hath no fury like a non-combatant. -- C. Montague
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.publius,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.origins,alt.politics.socialism,alt.atheism,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.christnet,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.renewing.american.civilization Subject: Re: Religion vs. Science Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:01:08 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. pparso39@swbell.net wrote: > Wrong. Imposition of an established religion is evil, regardless of > it's validity. You assume that the only evil that could happen is > some sort of supernatural retribution. But the evil of such things > comes from the humans who want to establish their faith, not from > any god they worship. What counts as a religion? A system of values? The system of values imposed on us today is defined by the media. THAT is the imposition of religion. We worship the TV, the radio, the newspaper. The solution, of course, is to run the press as a democratic republic. Without that, we have no guarantee that anything we hear is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Of course, the goal AND reward of the media is nothing but self-glorification and will resist democracy at all cost. ------- Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.liberalism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.society.conservatism,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.economics,sci.econ,alt.nuke.the.USA Subject: Re: Good Looks == Success? (WAS:GOP kills 8-hour day.) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:15:42 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Rich Johnson wrote: > : >Success in life is a matter of will. > : So, I can WILL myself a CEO job? Can I 'work hard' and make a car out > : of a cow turd??? > It has to be a CEO job? The only successful people are CEOs and the rest > of us are losers? There are plenty of ways to be successful that do not > involve being a CEO and, yes, you could find one if you looked. As for > making a car out of a turd, no, but they make good fertilizer and that is > useful, too. Brainwash your way to the top, or to wherever you want to go. It would be much easier if companies were run like democracies so we could actually eliminate self-censorship, but nah, most CEOs are cowards anyway. Pavlov's Laws of Mutual Brainwashing: Repetition: The fear of rain was created by umbrella makers. Mutation: Loyalty was a "virtue" invented by kings to keep their pawns in line. Skepticism: If we teach gorillas our history, would they fight wars over it? Absorption: Pride is the irrelevant man's excuse for still feeling relevant. Focus: Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle. You'll learn in the end, that control of the press, means control of the world. Maybe you'll even meet The Creator when you do. ------- Those who don't believe in the power of the press have obviously never taken a trip down to Grover's Mill with Orson Welles. Rosebud.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics.misc,alt.philosophy.objectivism,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics,talk.politics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.women,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.media,alt.president.clinton,talk.environment,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,misc.taxes,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: OKC: Where's the crater again? Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:07:43 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Puderick Von Richard wrote: > As usual, a rabid righty trying to cannonize St Timothy of McVeigh > and make like killing hundreds of innocent women and children is ok. > Good job, you are exposing your true self to America. Next, we expect > to hear you tell us why hitler's actions were justified. I hope you > don't call yourself Christian, though something tells me that you > proabably do. Assuming McVeigh really did it. But how do we know? How could we POSSIBLY know? Only those who have been in OKC can have a better claim that OKC even exists. The media indicted, tried, and convicted OJ Simpson in many of our eyes. And made him an innocent man in other eyes. Who is throwing in artificial divisions among us to prevent the completion of this Tower of Babel known as human civilization? In other words, civilization would never be complete as long as media communication is top-down and only sometimes bottom-up. There is no democratic society without a democratic press. ------ Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle.
14.5.97 15:43 Remaking us in its own image. 14.5.97 15:54 The media is a jealous god. 26.5.97 To buy a pair of handcuffs. 27.5.97 Just want to eat the damned burger. 29.5.97 Wait for that percentage to decrease. From: "S. Arsheesh" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics,alt.politics.reform,can.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 15:01:49 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. tmethod@gatecom.com wrote: > > > The word "brainwashing" has such negative connotations. I would prefer to > > > say that the only truly effective tool is persuasion. > > Choosing between vocabulary is a prime example of capitalist > > decision making. A decision may be "right". A decision may be > > "wrong". But most often, a decision is IRRELEVANT. But idiots > > have been trained since birth to believe their own sense of > > self-worth must be tied to employment and the "need to feel > > useful". So they invent disagreement just for the sake of > > disagreement. Soon they forget that it was only to fight off > > boredom, and begin to fight each other. Issues like unity or > > division are stupid either way if it still means autocracy. > > There are many ways to reward people: money, power, free time, > > fame, etc. When all of these rewards go to the same people, > > you leave only billions of pissed off people below. If > > everybody wants to write the recipe, who will do the cooking? > Is there a point to all this? Did you post this just for the sake of > disagreement? Or to feel useful? Perhaps you failed to make your point > because you didn't choose your vocabulary carefully. Are you cooking > here, are trying to write the recipe? Or maybe you're just fighting off > the boredom. :-) Very good. All of the above. The vast majority of human occupations today are useful only to fight off boredom. But the danger arises when idiots take their own jobs too seriously, thinking that what they are doing is more important than it is. And the fewer other skills these idiots have, the more they try to make their one skill seem important. -------- Immigration (TM) is a boogeyman invented by slave masters to draw attention away from their autocracy. Limited Resources (TM) is a religion invented by financiers who think patent law is more productive than marine farming.
From: "E. Schrodinger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,sci.econ,alt.politics,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:52:41 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. tmethod@gatecom.com wrote: > Allowing a progressively smaller minority of the voters to repeal laws is > hardly trivial or a mere detail. It is a major movement in the direction > of freedom. It involves a trade-off. As the percentage required to repeal > laws is decreased, what you gain is the ability to live your life > according to your values. What you give up is the ability to force others > to live their lives according to your values. Don't forget to look up. Quite right. As a matter of fact, for the free-thinker (if there is such a thing), she does not even have to wait for that percentage to decrease. It is called "breaking the law". Others might call it "civil disobedience" or "taking it to court". Of course, even contempt of court laws are restrictions on liberty... not to mention regulations against insubordination. Justice exists to prevent crime. Punishment, brainwashing, charity are only tools. The only truly effective tool is brainwashing. But unless the education is mutual, you can never guarantee that your laws are correct. -------- Newton's Law of General Stupidity: Human behavior can be completely predicted by knowledge of all the chemical and electrical interactions within the brain. Thus there's no such thing as "free will". Heisenburg's Law of Special Stupidity: By trying to study the chemical and electrical interactions within a person's brain, we change those interactions. Thus it is not possible to determine "destiny".
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 17:46:24 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Gary Lloyd wrote: > Exactly, but the more people are convinced, the less people will break > the law. Minority repeal requires that a larger majority be convinced > that the law is just. A law that has bare majority support is totally > unenforceable, which can only result in selective enforcement and > injustice. No disagreement. But the mechanics of passing or repealing laws are mere details. Mucking around with how they are passed or how they will be debated are mere details. Sooner or later, people get sick of waiting for the ketchup and just want to eat the damned burger. Yes, it is important to spend a few minutes a day mucking with details. But idiots always forget to look up, and end up wasting their lives on trivialities. ------- "What is it that hangs on the wall, is green, wet -- and whistles?" "....." "A herring." "A herring? A herring doesn't hang on the wall!" "So hang it there." "But a herring isn't green!" "Paint it." "But a herring isn't wet." "If it's just painted it's still wet." "But -- a herring doesn't whistle!!" "Right, I just put that in to make it hard." - L. Rosten
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:50:20 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Gary Lloyd wrote: > Perhaps I have failed to explain myself clearly. If I did not believe > that, as you say, the absence of laws can be oppressive, I would now > be calling for one person repeal (consent by 100% of the governed). > Instead, and because I agree with your assessment of the potential > danger, I am calling for optimum consent. Setting a percentage is a measure of how "conservative" you want your laws to be. If it takes one person to change a law, then laws could change on a whim. If it takes 50% to change a law, laws could easily oscillate after every vote. If it takes 60% or 75% (or 100%) to change a given law, then that law becomes rather "conservative". Why do you think it takes 100% of a jury or 12 to deprive someone of their life or liberty? The number 12 was an arbitrary number determined by the difficulty of smooth communication hundreds of years ago. > Steve Kangas has brought up the issue of abortion. He feels safe in > the knowledge that the majority is pro choice, but he should realize > that the political tides could turn, on this and other issues as well, > in which case he might find himself on the side of minority repeal. It's not quite so much the vote itself that makes democracy important. It's the debate that goes on in CONVINCING people to take your side. Laws are broken when you've failed to convince everyone - a very good indication of either an incomplete law, or a "bad" law. Abortions, theft, murders will happen whether you outlaw them or not. Laws, news, education, entertainment are all ways of brainwashing citizens to behave a certain way, but it will never work on everybody. THAT is when you have to look deeper. What do people kill eachother over? Why do they steal? What are you willing to give a pregnant woman to convince her NOT to have an abortion? If you truly value the life of a child, are you willing to spend your life raising that child, or are you only willing to buy a pair of handcuffs? ------- A people afraid and ashamed of unemployment is forever doomed to bureaucracy, redundancy, and inefficiency. But it keeps 'em outta trouble.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,can.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Representative Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:54:43 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. J. Kendrick McPeters wrote: > Let's move the entire apparatus of the federal government to a remote > pacific island. Bury a half dozen H-bombs on the island, and give the > electorate "the button." What needs to come first, of course, is democratic control of the media. After all, it's their job to TELL us if the government is doing a good job. The Catch-22 of course, is that if the government ever tries to implement equality of power or speech in the media, it would be ATTACKED by the media, and, then, by the rest of us as well... cuz hey, We the Peons don't know any better. The media is a jealous god. ---------- Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics,alt.politics.reform,alt.society.labor-unions,can.politics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.radical-left Subject: Re: Democracy: Calling Your Bluff Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:43:56 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Giovanni 8 wrote: > How many votes should be required to repeal a law forbidding murder? > How many votes should be required to repeal a law forbidding robbery? > How many votes should be required to repeal a law forbidding rape? > How many votes should be required to repeal a law forbidding battery? That's beside the point. Laws are mere suggestions that happen to be written down. They would not be needed if everyone mastered the art of brainwashing. Robbery, at least with respect to theft of unguarded property, is perfectly legal. That, also, is beside the point. The real point is who controls human communication. How do we know what belongs to whom? Who is at the top of the media Tower of Babel that is dividing up We the People, whether willfully or out of sheer stupidity? Remaking us in its own image. Perhaps there really is eternal life up there. ------ Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle.
12.5.97 Until they wake up. From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.media,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.journalism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.org.covert,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.radio.talk,alt.society.conservatism,misc.legal,us.legal,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Britain's Blair: Ban All Handguns Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:36:36 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. pparso39@swbell.net wrote: > "Just as bad" is right. The British are a lot more stratified socially, and > the concept of equality is a little less developed there. Ownership of guns > by "just anybody" riles a lot of Britons. > It's not a sensible argument for banning guns here. Actually, every law is only a SUGGESTION. Scarecrows follow them mindlessly. Lions follow them spinelessly. Tin men follow them apathetically. Violent protection of inanimate objects is the true crime. -------- The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. -- Anatole France
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.current-events.usa,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.media,alt.politics.socialism,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.journalism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.org.covert,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.radio.talk,alt.society.conservatism,misc.legal,us.legal,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Britain's Blair: Ban All Handguns Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:48:33 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. A.nonpartisan.observer@home.com wrote: > >I wonder what they'll go after once guns are banned? > More precisely, Blair promised all MPs a free vote on a handgun bill - > no whip, no party pressure as to how to vote. I'm willing to bet, > however, that you like that even less, right? If military equality is the goal, then citizens should have as much power as the local standing army. If law enforcement has only clubs, then citizens have clubs. But if they can bring in soldiers with rifles, then citizens deserve rifles. THAT however, is beside the point. Trying to back a man into a corner to confiscate his weapons will cause more crime than just leaving them alone. The easiest solution, of course, to armed robbery, is national theft insurance. Then people might actually stop killing eachother over shoes for a change. Of course, all the idiots that still associate property with life will object, until they wake up and realize they're living in socialism. ------- The fear of rain was created by umbrella makers.
12.5.97 9:51 Who is God? 12.5.97 14:21 Defining your own pursuit of happiness. From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,can.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: The End of Work (was: Re: Force) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:23:32 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. David Salvador Flores wrote: > Hell, I enjoy sex with beautiful women. There's no profit involved there > either. I'd gladly relieve others of the burdens of sex with their > beautiful wives, girlfriends etc. so that they might enjoy other > pursuits. Beauty of course is defined by brainwashing. By all the women with no distinguishing features that you grew up with on TV... being associated with the TV males that you associated with. The more thin women there are in the media, the more the rest of us like thin women. The more the rest of us like thin women, the more thin women we put in the media. The actual fact is, women were meant to be larger than males for 2 reasons. Safer childbirth. The right to choose among potential mates instead of being raped. Of course, we humans have evolved the Caesarian section to partly relieve the cultural misadaptation caused by Our Lord Who Speaketh to us from the TV. ------- Mold colonies in a petri dish don't notice us watching them do battle.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,sci.econ,can.politics,alt.politics.radical-left Subject: Re: The End of Work (was: Re: Force) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:21:41 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Derek Nalecki wrote: > >| Hmmm..... Guess I'm just of a different generation, or mindset or something. I've > >| never considered work something that could be rubbed in, or I should be > >| ashamed of in some way. I've always enjoyed the various jobs I've held. > >You see how far we've come from the Bible. Or maybe you're > And thank the Invisible Hand for that ;-) The "Invisible Hand" of course, is the combined effort of everyone that's mastered Pavlov's art of brainwashing. Bad? Sure, it can be bad... see Hitler. But we might as well brainwash ourselves to do something useful for a change. Stop listening to all the scarecrows telling you there are actually unreasonable people in the world. Defend your body? Sure. Defend your objects? C'mon. There used to be such a thing called "lending" before capitalism. People used to not have to lock their doors, before capitalist paranoia turned us all into rats hiding in our own cages. Life, liberty, and defining your own pursuit of happiness instead of letting your TV do it for you. ------ Shouting fire in a crowded theater is only dangerous if you've raised a society of gullible panic-stricken idiots.
From: "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.socialism,can.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: The End of Work (was: Re: Force) Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:51:20 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. G*rd*n wrote: > Well, which is it? I can understand the charity angle -- > but then you say you're depriving several people of it. Not > the poor, I hope. They have it rough enough. > I know. And yet we ruthlessly deprive many of the rich of > the keen pleasures of having to struggle for their wealth. How do we even know there are poor people? How do we even know there are rich people? How do we even know there is povety or what poverty is? The media tells us. Who is God? God is the media. Every civilization starts and ends with the contol of communication. Those sorry idiots could achieve World Peace (TM) if they'd just TELL everyone there's World Peace. We live not to educate ourselves, but to educate the media. Of course, the next fear is the fear of complacency. Next thing you know, we'd turn into Puritans again. Punishing people for having fun again. Yeah, morale is a bad thing. Morale is bad! Hypocrisy is bad! Punish, punish, punish! Punishment is so much fun ain't it? Ooo, can't have that! Punish the punisher! God we're bastards. Maybe little green men really do control the fucking press. Fucking fine. If they believed in mutual annihilation rather than mutual education, they would've killed each other long ago. --------- There's only one zoo where we can see unreasonable humans: the media.
8.5.97 Hitler, Satan, Darth Vader, whatever. 19.5.97 The only intelligent society. 26.5.97 Heretics really do burn. From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.reform,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Force Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:53:07 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Tom Potter wrote: > NO organization should have a monopoly > on mind control, particularly when the organization > can take money from the people by force, and use > it to brainwash them. If you think currency is the be-all-and-end-all of everything, then you better remember what comes BEFORE that. Life and liberty. In other words, any organization that has access to arms or security guards can deprive someone of the right to live or the right to go where they please. In this country of course, that includes EVERYONE. --------- If communication defines poverty, then poverty is the lack of control over communication.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.reform,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton Subject: Re: Force Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:20:04 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Jim McCulloch wrote: > >that the Public Education Monopoly > >is a more powerful and pervasive monopoly > >than Standard Oil and AT&T ever was. > His assertion that the public school conspiracy exercises mind control > over whoever it gets in its clutches is equally strange. Most of us > are not as much in danger of mind control as Mr. Potter feels he is. Mind control is unavoidable whenever there is communication. However, it's NOT just the government, but ANY organization that attempts communication. The stock market is a prime example. It is impossible to know if interest rate hikes really DO drive down the stock market. It's the BELIEF that hikes drive it down that actually does drive it down. If high rates encourage savings, then it just gives banks more money to invest. If low rates encourages spending, then it just give more profits back to companies. It's a smoke and mirrors religion. One of the few in which heretics really do burn. Inflation is not so much bad or good as it is irrelevant. --------- A people afraid and ashamed of unemployment is forever doomed to bureaucracy, redundancy, and inefficiency. But it keeps 'em outta trouble.
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.socialism,can.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,ca.politics,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton,misc.invest,alt.politics.brith,sci.econ,alt.activism,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Force Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:46:29 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Giovanni 8 wrote: > BTDTGB after the 5th time. > "Since man lives by reshaping his physical back-ground to serve > his purpose, since he must 1st define & then create his values, > a rational man needs a concretized projection of these values, > an image in whose likeness he will re-shape the world & himself. > --- Ayn Rand 1966-03-?? "Art & Sense of Life" It seems the only brain this parrot possesses belongs to Ayn Rand. So let's go back to the most basic of Laws: "Murder is wrong." WHY is murder wrong? Your typical parrot says, "Well, because the Law says so. Because other people say so. Because God says so. Because the TV says so." Whatever. How does hypnosis work? It works by repetition. The more you say it, the more people believe it. A "law" is nothing but an "official" statement that citizens can "legally" repeat to eachother over and over. Mutual hypnosis - good for maintaining order, but fucking STOOPID when everyone forgets WHY that law was established in the first place. Because NOBODY needs to waste their time and effort trying to kill eachother. Duh. The ONLY intelligent society is one whose foundations are always being debated. ------- Conquer fear. Question faith. Humor distraction. Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,can.politics,alt.society.labor-unions Subject: Re: Force Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:02:13 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Warrl kyree Tale'sedrin wrote: > If a dictatorship becomes so oppressive as to merit an assassination, > who do you assassinate? Answer: the dictator. > If a pure democracy becomes so oppressive as to merit an > assassination, who do you assassinate? Answer: 50%+1 of the > population. > Which is more feasible? Neither. Chopping off the tip does nothing raise the rest of the iceberg. You think killing the head of a drug cartel does anything at all? Heck, his subordinates were probably planning the same thing. The real answer is free speech. The only reason we think Hitler, Satan, Darth Vader, whatever were unreasonable people is because idiots TELL us they were unreasonable. But nobody gets to be Leader without having changed their own views at some time in the past. There are two pitfalls: they brainwash themselves by repeating their own arguments too much. They become so trusted and/or intimidating, that none of their subordinates dared to disagree with them. The solution to that, of course, is more democracy. "More democracy" to the point of unanimous democracy, at least with respect to the death penalty... which of course means no executions. -------- When they leave here they'll be completely restored to their normal terrible old selves. But maybe they'll be a little wiser for the wear.
From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Is Socialism Capitalism? (was: Altruism and Socialism) Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:51:53 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. CJ Cox wrote: > It's just an extension of insurance. If someone steals your > plow because he needs one to make food, fine, at least he's > making food. If you now need a plow to make food, hey, that's > what the job of plow-makers is for -- a plow for anyone that > needs one. Like a new car for anyone that crashes his current > one, or a home for anyone that loses his current one, or food, > or education. Equality of poverty? Well, depends who defines > poverty. Autocratic "liberals" who think lipstick is more > important than education? And who defines prices or the value > of a person's labor? > You preach death. You work is not your own therefore your life is not > your own. Everyone in the world has an equal or greater claim on you > and your property than you do. You need your property to survive but > another can take it for his own because of his need. Pure anarchy. You > are welcome to it but I will never submit. The rest of the population > may be a little more obliging but you better cover up your message a > little more and avoid people with guns. Ever stop to ask yourself, "How does insurance work?" How many people crash their cars on purpose? Get sick on purpose? The only problem with autocratic insurance companies is that they only implement a watered down version of democracy: customer surveys. No real debate, no real power to effect change. And then these companies wonder why their customers never seem to care and just dump them for another company. --------- Don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he always wanted. He lived happily ever after.
8.5.97 The only real failures. 15.5.97 13:32 They have an autocratic press. 15.5.97 22:23 Like the USSR's Pravda. 16.5.97 Every Third World nation is Hobbesian. 20.5.97 Shiny rocks are actually worth something. From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:06:07 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. G*rd*n wrote: > Likewise, if we buy stolen goods from a thief, he'll become > richer and may go to night school or become a legitimate > businessman. It could happen. An illegal thief becoming a legal thief. The surest sign of upward mobility. From the chaos of small investors doing insider trading, to sticking with a mutual fund handler, who has the power to affect the market itself just by tweaking the fund. Mutual funds have 2 goals. A big commission for the broker, and a seat on various board of directors for the investment firm big shots. -------- Life is a tennis match - an audience of journalists, a capitalist referee, philosopher players, and everyone else is the tennis ball. Great tennis requires no audience, no referee, not even a tennis ball.
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 16:16:29 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Big Oh wrote: > I didn't say that my gov't was best. I don't support MFN (preferential > treatment is just another form of discrimination) for any country. Gov't > has no business intervening in free trade. Are you going to define Free Trade (TM) for us or not? "Free", as in, based on secrets and lies. Or "free" as in "free" for one side to hold a gun to the head of the other side? Or "free" as in working from the starting point that shiny rocks are actually worth something? ------- The two sides of mass communication: credible and gullible.
From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 17:22:14 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. G*rd*n wrote: > | No society, culture, nation, or species deserves to be taught > | violence by violent bastards. But why *not* MFN? Instead of > | racism by geographical origin, you promote racism by government > | style. Who are YOU to say YOUR government is the best? > I'm not a cultural relativist. I find oppression repugnant > whether it's Americans, Samoyeds, or Indonesians who are > being oppressed. I think people who claim to love freedom > ought not profit from slavery if they can avoid doing so. > It is especially repugnant to establish a system where many > people belong to a working class and then run around using > foreign slavery to run wages down at home. We better fix our own slavery before we go demanding other people fix theirs first. It's typical press xenophobia that automatically assumes life in every Third World nation is Hobbesian... where wages are absolute rather than relative. The real answer to labor-management relations isn't wage minimums, it's real democracy and absolute job-security... relying on mutual brainwashing to get things done. Cowardly peons in the media can't say this of course, or they'd hurt their own pride in their jobs and risk the wrath of their producers. ---- Conquer fear. Question faith. Humor distraction. Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: gcf@panix.com (G*rd*n) Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: 15 May 1997 22:23:28 -0400 Organization: }"{ }"{ }"{ }"{ "I. Pavlov" cyu@geocities.com wrote: | =| How do you know they WOULD have to go back to being a farmhand? | =| The media tells you. How do you know food replicators haven't | =| already been invented, or humans already cloned? In other words, | =| the media is our God. Either we can wait for a sign from it, | =| our we could build our own Tower of Babel and establish democratic | =| control of the media. Of course, the media itself would never | =| let us do that as long as communication is only one-directional. johannp@aimnet.com (Big Oh): | That's all we need -- 51% of the people deciding what the media should or | shouldn't report. Maybe the 51% votes not to report on concentration | camps, gas chambers, and crematoriums? Well, now, in America, you have 1% or 0.1% or 0.01% of the people deciding what the media should or shouldn't report, mainly based on their wealth and class position. So.... | Like the USSR's _Pravda_??? Sort of along those lines, comrade! -- }"{ G*rd*n }"{ gcf@panix.com }"{ ----------------------------------------------- NOTE: if your ISP permits junkmailing, you will probably not be able to reach me by email.
From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:32:38 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. jw wrote: > >| On the Cuba question, Castro's chief line is to blame every failure of the > >| regime on the U.S. trade sanctions. Getting rid of the sanctions would get > >| rid of his excuse. > But of course he knows that excuses are cheap, new > ones can always be manufactured - especially by a regime > that controls all the press. Even *past* embargo would > be excuse enough... No, shortage of excuses is not > Castro's problem, and never will be. > Shortage of cash is another matter! The REAL fear, of course, is that if by opening up trade and Castro DOESN'T fall, then it strikes at the core of our own excuses. Complete stupidity of course. They have an autocratic press. WE have an autocratic press. It's not really our political leaders at the top of the Tower of Babel. It's our press. Out of sheer stupidity, it throws divisions between our parties for entertainment sake. And if our parties ever unite, our press will throw divisions between citizens and the rest of those "rats" in Washington. The only REAL "insiders" are media moguls. Consider how seeing the letters "R" or "D" next to a politician's name conjures up instant prejudices, perhaps even more prejudices than skin color or gender. We live in a world of labels. Imagine how stupid it would be to put an "R" or a "D" next to the names of every member of the media, labeling networks as "conservative" or "liberal" along with their chairmen. ------- When gorillas invent swords, will we hide, hunt, or educate? We extend their lives with medicine; do they think us gods?
From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.radical-left Subject: Re: Ayn Rand: A Marxist? Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 16:17:15 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. b wrote: > >If these people are so smart, don't you think they could figure out how > >to make a living? > To a large extent, it's not how smart you are, but how driven. Unfor- > tunately, there appears to be a strong genetic component to personality > as well, though arguably less so than intelligence. Intelligence comes from two things and no more: drive and the realization that everyone is right in one way and wrong in another. Both of these are created by oppression... and, of course, held down by oppression. The only real failures are the people who can't make their current job obsolete. Of course, most people CAN, but DON'T. The reason: fear of capitalist unemployment. ------- Experience doesn't breed wisdom. Experience breeds brainwashing.
From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.philosophy.objectivism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Altruism and Socialism (was: Re: The Big Lie of Capital Gains) Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 15:53:05 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mike Wooding wrote: > The farthest you can go from the right may be anarchism, but > it doesn't require pacifism, and most emphatically is the > anti-matter to communism. Left, right, pacifism, militarism. What the fuck are we talking about? Does communism to you mean control of the economy by the military, or does it mean financial equality? Does capitalism mean to you control of the economy by non-military organizations, or does it mean financial inequality? Does pacifism to you mean abandoning personal safety, or does it mean refusal to kill just because someone tells you to kill? Does militarism mean to you the right to protect your own body with violence, or does it mean you have to kill when someone tells you to kill? Idiots associate their body with their objects, and wind up killing eachother over leaves and dirt. Of course, under capitalism, if you ever lose your leaves or your dirt, you starve. -------- So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it.
From: "J. Calvin" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,talk.politics.theory,alt.postmodern,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.equality,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.economics Subject: Re: Darwinian Honour (was: Re: wealth) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:57:28 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. G*rd*n wrote: > I am underpersuaded of the Darwinian utility of ethics. It > seems to participate in the circularity of "survival of the > fittest." Yes, but survival of the fittest WHAT? If your body was survival of the fittest white blood cell, then you'd be nothing but a white blood cell. If your liver was "racist" against your spleen, guess what? You won't live very long either. In other words, the various parts of your "body politic" WORK TOGETHER instead of competing. From each cell according to its ability, to each cell according to its need. The mistake of traditional communists was taking the analogy too far, and abandoning democracy. It's impossible to share wealth when you don't share power.
From: "J. Calvin" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.ronald-reagan,alt.politics.economics,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,sci.econ,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.mens-rights,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.bush,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.radical-right,alt.fan.alan-keyes,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.rush-limbaugh,pdaxs.issues.republicans,alt.fan.clarence.thomas Subject: Re: St. Louis Woman dies from abortion Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 11:31:11 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Alfredo wrote: > > Very unfortunate. Of course, we must remember that carrying a pregnancy > > to term is about 8 times more likely to reuslt in the death of the woman > > than having a first trimester abortion. In other words, statistically > > speaking, abortion is about 8 times safer for the woman than giving birth. > > It's easy to lose sight of the facts if we consider only a selected few > > sensational stories. > An abortion always results in at least one death. Women fear sex because they fear death by childbirth, especially after being brainwashed during their teen-age years to stunt their growth. Your average male pro-life protester needs to vent his frustration at being powerless at work, and really wants only one thing: a female pro-life protester, preferably a virgin. The need for virginity, of course, evolved out of the fear of death by venereal disease. Here's what will happen when we outlaw abortion: we will have a War on Abortion like our current War on Drugs. We'll train the Mafia and Latin American countries to perform abortions. And hire the AEA (Abortion Enforcement Agency). Creating tons of New Jobs (TM) for AEA officers and urban gangs alike. And customs officials will not only have to check for bags of cocaine but also babies in bellies. Anything to avoid doing something constructive.
From: "J. Calvin" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,sci.econ,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,alt.current-events.usa,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism,alt.activism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: Fatcat bonanza - capital gains tax cut Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 19:04:47 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mark D. Vincent wrote: > HAHAHAHA! Keep a whinin' Hopeless. Cap gains cut is ON THE WAY! I can't wait. > Why be bitter Hopeless? Buy some stocks and join the fun. It will be even > more profitable now! More money for those who invest and save! Justice > at last. You're an idiot. "Saving" IS investing. You're just giving up your right to decide how to invest that money to your banker. Then, it just depends if you can trust your banker. If he is accountable to you in any way. If you have any say in how he makes his decisions. Whether he decides to invest in shiny rocks, the CATO Institute, or some industries that are actually productive. Heck, your banker might just invest in Treasury Bonds and put the money right back in that government you've been brainwashed to hate so much.

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