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9.4.97 Chop off the tip and the rest of the iceberg rises. 13.4.97 15:56 Rights in a society of jackasses. 13.4.97 16:01 Why we enslave medical interns. 14.4.97 Only apologists for slavery deserve to be slaves. 16.4.97 Paper and promise of more paper to come. From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,sci.econ,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.medicine,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:34:45 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mike Wooding wrote: > There's a rather huge difference which Mr. cyu@geocities.com > seems unable to discern. The gov't takes by force, the > company (at least in the free market vision) takes ONLY what > you freely give ... presumably for something you value more > than what you've given. So when you filled out your taxes this year, was there a soldier in your living holding a gun to your head? No. When you went to work today, was there a security guard there, forcing you to work? No. As far as an outside observer is concerned, no force has been applied in either case. Real force is when cops come to drag you off to jail for not paying taxes. Yes. But real force is ALSO when security guards come to drag you off to jail for trespassing. The difference between agreement and enforcement is the difference between democracy and autocracy. ------ The only difference between a political prisoner and a common criminal is the country you live in.
From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,sci.econ,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.medicine,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:04:02 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Greg L. Lange wrote: > > Who's stealing from who? How hard do stock holders > > work? How hard do managers work? Who determines > > their salaries and who determines yours? Under > > capitalism, economic autocracy does. Under a real > > democracy, economic democracy does. > b) The government is stealing my money and giving it > to whoever it wants for whatever reason. > c) Stock holders provide the money necessary to fund > a business venture. They get paid not for the work > they do but for the risk they take. A government takes. A company takes. Same thing. Stock holders provide nothing but paper and promise of more paper to come. Stock holders promise nothing but calling off the armed guards around resources. Who is doing the coercion here? > d) Some managers work hard. Some managers do not. > They get paid for coordinating and overseeing the > efforts of other employees. Do you think this is not > real work? If so, you have never been a manager. Sure managers work hard. So do Kings and Emperors. The difference between autocracy and democracy is who you're working hard FOR. Kings may have been working FOR their serfs, true. But without real debate, they chase nothing but Rand fairytales, all the while killing (firing, laying off) their peasants in the name of helping peasants. If you truly believe your ability to manage is of value to your employees, then you would not be afraid to let them vote on it. ----- When they leave here they'll be completely restored to their normal terrible old selves. But maybe they'll be a little wiser for the wear.
From: "J. Hancock" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.medicine,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:51:50 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Herman Rubin wrote: > >Democracy is a far better guarantee of decisions that will > >benefit the majority than autocracy. You talk like an > >apologist for monarchy. Democracy only fails when > >freedom of expression does not exist. Democracy only > >fails when people are censored by intimidation, > >imprisonment, and execution. > This is definitely not the case. An autocrat has to fear > being overthrown; the mob has no such fear. > Democracy is at least as opposed to individual freedom as > any other form of tyranny. Athens and Rome ran into this > problem. And democracies have been quite guilty in doing > what you objected to in your last sentence. Only apologists for slavery deserve to be slaves. You might as well be defending Hitler and Stalin. Statistically, a majority democracy is far less likely to be aberrant than a minority. Is it perfect? No, it's not. THAT is why there is a filibuster in the Senate. THAT is why it takes more than a majority to amend the Constitution. THAT is why freedom of speech must be guaranteed, why autocratic intimidation and capitalist media censorship must be banned. ------- Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. - C. Salzenberg
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.medicine Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:01:19 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Joel wrote: > Socialism is morally bankrupt. In a socialist > system a worker will be paid only what a workers' > committee thinks he needs even if the value of his > labor in the free market would be worth far more. Wrong. That "workers' committee" would be all consumers. And if workers think they deserve more, they would educate the public as to why they need what they need. Of course, education under capitalism is a bad thing. Too many people with too much medical knowledge would put us hard-working doctors out of work... which of course, is why we enslave medical interns for so many years.
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.medicine,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board 7 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:56:00 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Greg L. Lange wrote: > a) For the record, I'm not an anarchist. I > think our government should be reduced to its > only proper function, the protection of the > rights of individuals. And those rights include freedom of speech and of democracy. Why? Because freedom of speech is the source of all mutations in the "philosophy pool" and democracy forces cooperation in a society of jackasses that would otherwise tear each other's throats apart. This means an end to execution, silent imprisonment, and commercially based communication costs. This means both consumer and employee democracy.
From: "C. Kane" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.medicine,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Nationalized Health Care Score Board Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:18:58 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Roger Tinkoff wrote: > I consider large federal governments and large corporations to > be equally evil in all but one respect. That is that the corporation > will cease activity that pisses off customers. Large governments > have no such incentive to do so. Yes, individuals can be voted > out of the government, but the government itself just keeps on going. Chop off the tip and the rest of the iceberg rises to take its place. The answer, however, isn't a smaller iceberg. The answer is a bottom-up power structure. The way a democratic republic was meant to be. Employees electing managers from among their peers, and so on up the chain. Not only will it lead to a flatter hierarchy, but eliminate the fear of reprisal, should employees disagree with their manager. THAT is true freedom of speech. THAT is what encourages the production of new ideas.
11.4.97 Founded on the Bible. 13.4.97 The work of the devil. 14.4.97 Whose word shall be abided by everyone. 16.4.97 We wouldn't know the difference. From: "D. Gale" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.current-events.usa,alt.atheism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.christnet,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.publius,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politic,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: "No room here for other religions" says judge! Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:51:38 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Remove the first S for savings! wrote: > >> The fact is, the Bible was the one of the earliest works > >> of atheism, until it was railroaded by unemployed preachers, > >> who needed to sell crosses, shrouds, and their own > >> "translations" of the Bible. > >Do you have any argument to back this statement up? > I don't know about that, but to assume that the modern bible was > faithfully translated over the past 2k years is quite a leap, > especially when considering it was soley in the hands of the catholic > church for what, 1300 of those years. They could change it to say > whatever fit the current political need. We wouldn't know the > difference. Or King James. A "translation" says more about the "translator" than the original work itself. But whether God is a singular entity or in each one of us (or both or neither) isn't what matters. What matters is what makes a society with one system of beliefs "fit to survive". Altruism. Defiance of the fallibility of human authority. Original Sin isn't just about Sex (TM). It's about denying another person access to your land just so you can grow food. It's about denying another person access to your equipment just so you can make a living. It's about standing in front of your store, weapon in hand, guarding "property" produced by someone else. --------- The Law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. -- Anatole France
From: ssuuty@hotmail.com (Remove the first S for savings!) Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.current-events.usa,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: "No room here for other religions" says judge! Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:54:42 GMT Organization: AcmeNet Internet Services On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:23:37 +1300, Jerome Fryer jerome@ihug.co.nz wrote: >W. Hearst wrote: >> The fact is, the Bible was the one of the earliest works >> of atheism, until it was railroaded by unemployed preachers, >> who needed to sell crosses, shrouds, and their own >> "translations" of the Bible. >Do you have any argument to back this statement up? I don't know about that, but to assume that the modern bible was faithfully translated over the past 2k years is quite a leap, especially when considering it was soley in the hands of the catholic church for what, 1300 of those years. They could change it to say whatever fit the current political need. We wouldn't know the difference. >I would argue that the Bible is one of the earliest works >that outlines socialist ideas (read e.g. Acts in the New Testament). Yup.
From: rehill@students.wisc.edu (R. Hill) Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.current-events.usa,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: "No room here for other religions" says judge! Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:24:16 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:56:27 -0500, Sheath sidewind@arkansas.net wrote: >> > How about I give you something to read that even you can understand. >> >If you want proof that this country was founded upon God and the Bible >> >Here goes,try reading all of the ammendments of the Constitution for >> >one,and then you can do a background check [if you will] on all of the >> >Founding Fathers but, just so it doesn't get over your head Start with >> >Thomas Jefferson and read his biography and maybe you'll get the point >> >that this country certainly wasn't founded upon atheism! OK, if the Ten Commandments are the basis of all laws, then why aren't all of them made into laws? (eg respect your father and mother, no adultery, etc.) Additionally, there are many laws for which it would be a huge stretch for you to say came from the Bible. (Heck, Jesus was probably turning water into wine before he was 21! -- though I doubt if he ever drove drunk) The truth is, when this country was settled, it was settled by people trying to escape having someone else's religion crammed down their throats. Many laws are probably derived from the ten commandments, but many are not, as well. Furthermore, even if Jefferson et al did found our constitution on their religion, that doesn't mean that's how it should be. Or is Jefferson the second messiah to you, whose word shall be abided by everyone? Ryan Hill UW-Madison
Subject: Re: "No room here for other religions" says judge! Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 17:36:00 -0700 From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.current-events.usa,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.societ > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:56:27 -0500, Sheath sidewind@arkansas.net wrote: > > How about I give you something to read that even you can understand. > >If you want proof that this country was founded upon God and the Bible > >Here goes,try reading all of the ammendments of the Constitution for > >one,and then you can do a background check on all of the > >Founding Fathers but, just so it doesn't get over your head Start with > >Thomas Jefferson and read his biography and maybe you'll get the point > >that this country certainly wasn't founded upon atheism! It was founded on the fact that they realized systems of belief based on blind faith could never reach agreement. Of course, the only way to keep blind faith going is to ban all expression of disagreement. Which is why your church tells you all other religions are the work of the devil. After all, if you actually heard anything about another religion, that preacher might lose his job. The fact is, the Bible was the one of the earliest works of atheism, until it was railroaded by unemployed preachers, who needed to sell crosses, shrouds, and their own "translations" of the Bible. --------- Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: "No room here for other religions" says judge! Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:52:19 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Dennis Alwine wrote: > John Adams said that America's future depended > not on the perfection of our law, but on the > ability of the people to obey the Ten > Commandments. I'll gladly go to the mat to > protect Judge Moore's right to display them. > Be grateful that America was founded on the > Bible. I am. Founded on the Bible, yet engages in the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill. Founded on the Bible, yet worships the flag, worships the Statue of Liberty, and cannot find anything wrong with any of any number of past politicians. Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth. Founded on the Bible, yet cannot forgive. Founded on the Bible, yet promotes the domination of the weak by the powerful, the poor by the rich. Who is at the top of the Tower of Babel? It's not God. It's either a political or economic autocrat. THAT is who is promoting race hatred and cultural divisions. Afraid that the weak will ever find the unity to achieve real democracy.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.democrats.d,sci.econ,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.radical-left,talk.politics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: The Stock Market Bubble (1929 revisited) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:33:59 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Loren Petrich wrote: > > The Depression continued straight through the WWII years. Production of > >all non-war items virtually ceased. Thus rationing. During WWII, the > >United States was closer to the command&control socialism of its > >adversaries than many historians would care to admit. > Do you have any better ideas for managing an economy for the > purpose of fighting an all-out war? In a time of peace, economic control could easily be done by democracy. Though decisions may take longer than under an autocracy, at least you'd have a much better guarantee that these decisions would benefit more than just political and economic autocrats.
8.4.97 We've already lost it. From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.activism,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.atheism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.christnet,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.publius,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politic,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.congress Subject: Re: "banning" speech Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:28:55 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Eric Gunnerson wrote: > > The Ten Commandments were removed from class rooms. > That is because posting the Ten Commandments provides a government sanction > for a particular religion. Which isn't allowed. Free speech is not an > absolute. If you ONLY allow the Ten Commandments, then it is indeed a government sanction for a particular religion. But still, if you ban its posting, you are limiting expression. The solution? Post the beliefs of EVERY religion that wants their beliefs posted, including atheism, and pseudo-religions like Capitalism and Communism, Autocracy and Democracy. Let's get some real debate going on in our schools, instead of institutionalized brain-washing.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.publius,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.politics.socialism,talk.origins,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.atheism,alt.christnet,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.correct,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.renewing.american.civilization Subject: Re: "banning" speech Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 17:18:39 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. mfriesel@ix.netcom.com wrote: > Sindar makes it abundantly clear why church and state are, and must > remain, seperated. These posts should be saved, to illustrate what > persistent babbling idiocy the country has in store for it if this > character and his like are ever allowed near the classroom. The separation of church and state is basically a free speech issue. In Olde Europe, those who disagreed with official government religion were persecuted, jailed (much like how drug dealers, casino owners, and prostitutes are jailed today). Our Founding Fathers (TM) knew that religion was so entrenched in culture, that agreement would be impossible. Thus they made the separation, guaranteeing freedom of speech to people of any religion. If you deny people the right to religious speech in a school or courtroom, you are in fact denying free speech. Personally, I think there will eventually be a convergence not only of religion but of political philosophy as well... as long as freedom of debate is never restricted. Will we lose our culture? That question is moot. We've already lost it. No culture is the same as it was 100 years ago, or even a day ago. But luckily we have invented written records that allow us to see what we've come from, and what we've learned.
8.4.97 15:36 When you purchase a U.S. bond. 8.4.97 15:51 Anyone that competes in games. 11.4.97 Get their policies passed alone. From: "W. Wonka" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton,sci.econ,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.socialism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.perot,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminism,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: The National Debt (N.O.W seems to have dropped out of this thread) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:18:41 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. gary cruse wrote: > be circumvented, too. And all this > is taking place during boom economic > years when we should be paying > debt down and putting something > aside for leaner times. The next > recession could be a killer. "Recession" is a joke. Nothing but a boogeyman invented by capitalists to scare little kids. The fact is, you don't need paper or numbers to keep any company running. People are only laid off if there's a person laying people off. It does NOT happen magically by numbers. As long as farmers are willing to trade food for the product of someone else's labor, there will never be unemployment. Boom-bust economics only happens because of capitalist stupidity. Producers produce too much, huge sales. A boom. They produce even more. Glut the market. Consumers no longer need to buy it, because they already have it. Sales plunge. A bust. Lay offs. So what do capitalists do? LIMIT the amount of production during "boom" periods. NOT produce as much as they can. An efficient economy? Don't make me laugh. And capitalists wonder how communist countries can do so much with so little. --------- So much time and so little to do. Wait a minute. Strike that. Reverse it.
From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminism,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: The National Debt (N.O.W seems to have dropped out of this thread) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:59:35 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. > Fetus fetus@inow.com wrote in article 33496AB2.36B3@inow.com... > > Well, cooperation would seem to be what let cavemen defeat much larger > > wooly mammoths, right? > > But anyway, whether or not cooperation is a fantasy (and to some extent > > I agree with you- self-interest is a powerful motivator) Cooperation IS self-interest (all least for the intelligent ones). The best wat to "force" cooperation is implementing REAL democracy and REAL freedom of expression. REAL democracy means all power comes bottom-up instead of top-down. This includes the workplace and the marketplace. This includes the employee-manager relationship. REAL freedom of expression means no one is censored, not by coercion, not by intimidation, not by execution, not by silent imprisonment, and not by expensive communication costs. Democracy forces cooperation because no one can get their policies passed alone. Thus they are forced to educate their peers, give away their secrets, and debate their opponents. It is by real debate that new ideas are produced and tired ideas debunked.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminism,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.theory Subject: Re: The National Debt (N.O.W seems to have dropped out of this Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:51:40 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. williams@wanweb.net wrote: > > > > Do we want our "opponents" to fear us or to love us? > > > > Cowards and fools engage in competition. > So anyone that competes in games are coward and fools (accoridng to you)? Human beings evolved the need to compete in order to survive. Sometimes they competed against animals, sometimes against other humans, sometimes against the forces of nature. Competitive games used as an entertaining way to satisfy this need are fine, especially if it boosts morale. On the other hand, competition also leads to jealousy, fear, and hatred. Thus humans also evolved the emotions of pity and guilt, to foster cooperative effort. To tell the difference between when you should compete and when you should cooperate is WHY YOU HAVE A BRAIN. Like, duh. ------ Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.reform,alt.rush-limbaugh,sci.econ,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.feminism,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: The National Debt (N.O.W seems to have dropped out of this thread) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:36:33 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Fetus wrote: > But national debt is BAD. We need to be financially responsible so > foreign banks can't tell us what to do-do we really want to be like > Ecuador or Brazil? What are they going to do? Nuke us? Debt is only bad if we still want people to keep giving us money. So is it Americans that have to suffer to pay it back? Not if the bond market was dominated by Americans in the first place. The basic question is, when you purchase a U.S. bond, do you REALLY expect that money back, or are you just giving the government welfare? Of course, the bond market, like everything else in a capitalist society, is a pyramid scheme. Using current buyers to pay off old buyers. The fact that it IS a pyramid scheme isn't what matters. What matters is how that money will be spent. Whether it's on lame-brained competitive effort, hiding secrets and inventing lies, or on cooperative effort, like producing new knowledge and a better labor force all around the world. Cooperative effort, of course, fails under capitalism, because it puts our own people out of work.
7.4.97 Redirecting the crosshairs. From: "C. Kane" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.reform,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.correct Subject: Re: Limbaugh is a PATRIOT!!!!!!!!!! WHO GOT 4 Million from the Commies in China? CLINTON! Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:17:05 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. > andrew asmith@bucx.com purported: > >> Patriotism is racism by country. > >> Capitalism is racism by company. > >> Autocracy is racism by power. > >In 1929 The United States of America entered a tremendous economic > >depression causing grief and poverty for millions. Our proper non > >racist response should have been to switch to communism so that we > >would still be in poverty today. Earth to Kenneth, do you read? What DO you think the New Deal was? Completely modeled after traditional "communist" central planning. Inventing semi-useless work, just so people have an excuse to keep the economy running. Telling people to go buy a car and put a car-maker to work. All that paper money people hoarded after the run on the banks had to be put back in the economy somehow. While autocratic planning of the economy was useful during wartime when quick decisions had to be made, it is not quite so useful during peacetime, because that may lead to militarism and a very fragile peace (Reaganism). Eisenhower realized this, and warned against the military industrial complex. But what he didn't (or rather couldn't) realize was that leaving economic planning to capitalism is just replacing political autocrats with economic autocrats. And that is why our capitalist economy today has so many semi- useless products that need multi-million dollar marketing campaigns just to sell, while welfare, health care, and education are still "too damn expensive". ----- Rosebud.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.president.clinton,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.clinton,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.african.american,ca.politics,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.correct Subject: Re: Limbaugh is a PATRIOT!!!!!!!!!! WHO GOT 4 Million from the Commies in China? CLINTON! Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:46:57 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. David wrote: > Rush Limbaugh is a Patriot! > He turns the sacred cows of the left into hamburger and that is > why the left hates my friend Rush. Patriotism is racism by country. Capitalism is racism by company. Autocracy is racism by power. Rush is a guy who got tired of being the target just for being fat, and is now redirecting the crosshairs at someone else. Of course, he's really a liberal at heart, protecting freedom of expression for patriots, capitalists, and autocrats. Which he has every right to do, even if he is just being stupid. ----- We have met the enemy, and he is us.
7.4.97 19:09 The inconspicuous oppressed. 7.4.97 19:22 And thus, they are idiots. 7.4.97 19:35 A new generation of losers. From: "J. Hancock" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.german,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.revisionism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Hitler! Was he all that bad? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:50:57 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Troy Varange wrote: > > Hitler waw a very great hero. Jews were behind Communism and they > > control the media. Jews are enemies of White civilization. The holocaust > > is a hoax and is especially ironic since the real mass murderers were the > > Communists who Hitler was fighting against. Today the media is all > > leftist lies and is anti-White. This is because the media is controlled > > by Jews. > Are you sure that Jews are leftist? They seem to me to be extreme > right wingers. They all support the system. Get a clue. A leftist Jew is a leftist. A rightist Jew is a rightist. The same goes for "normal" whites. The same goes for blacks, hispanics, asians, russians, males, females, overweight, underweight, Big Endian, or Little Endian. The sorry fact is, everyone's a selfish bastard, no matter who the fuck you are. The only societies that succeed are those that expand that selfishness either by sharing political power, economic wealth, and/or intellectual knowledge. ------ Money is more genetic than intelligence.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.german,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Hitler! Was he all that bad? Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:35:48 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. David James Isham wrote: > After reading that document, I would find it hard to believe that > anyone would be able to refute the fact that the Jews control > a vast majority of the media. Your question above as to EXACTLY > what percentage is controlled by the Jews is merely a tactic to > confuse the issue and is rather irrelevant. Exact figures aren't > necessary when major mass media organizations such as ABC, NBC, and CBS > are all controlled by the Jews (there are plenty more... read the > above document). For a group of people that only make up less > than 3% of the total population of the US, they sure have quite > a bit of control. Don't forget Sony and the Japanese. Ever wonder why, for a while, it seemed like all the world's car-makers were going to be either German, Italian, or Japanese? Why losers win? It's a constant cycle. Losers ask themselves why they lost, what they could do better. Then they succeed, and become doomed to complacency and conservatism, opening the door to a new generation of losers to beat them into the ground... If not racism, then religious persecution, or intolerance of Republicans. This will happen as long as no nation in this world is willing to share both political and economic power.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.german,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.revisionism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian Subject: Re: Hitler! Was he all that bad? Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:22:27 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Alex Vange wrote: > The President is the race traitor who appointed the other Jews to > high office. The Chief of Staff of the Vice President race traitor is > also a Jew. > The Jews and their bootlickers should crawl into holes and stay there. > They are the real evil in the world. Wrong. Soon it will be Asians. Before Koreans owned all the small grocery stores, know who ran them? Jews. And before that? Whatever the latest wave of immigrants was. Irish, Eastern European, whatever. So what about after the Asians? Probably Russians and Arabs. But it's NOT immigration that produces success. It's simple recognition that both you and your opponent are wrong in some way. Only idiot conservatives can't seem to find any problems with themselves... and thus, they are idiots. Fooled by capitalist "Darwinism" into thinking that competition is the ultimate answer.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.german,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.revisionism,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Hitler! Was he all that bad? Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:09:32 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Alex Vange wrote: > Hitler waw a very great hero. Jews were behind Communism and they > control the media. Jews are enemies of White civilization. > Today the media is all > leftist lies and is anti-White. This is because the media is controlled > by Jews. > In America today the Secretary of State is a Jewess. The Secretary of > Defense is a Jew. The head of the CIA is a Jew. The head of the National > Security Council is a Jew. The White House Counsel is a Jewess. etc. The reason for Jewish success is the same as that for immigrant success. Simply because they were always persecuted, they were always immigrants. Immigrants succeed because they are always attacked for being "wrong". This causes them to look into themselves for weaknesses; and they fix the ones they can, and then notice the same weaknesses in their oppressors. It is easier for the "inconspicuous oppressed" to succeed because it is harder to point them out. This is why left-handers, the near-sighted, closeted homosexuals, atheists (in a religious country), second-born sons, and children who were physically weak during their youth succeed.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.media,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.president.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.impeach.clinton,alt.current-events.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.congress Subject: Re: DNC To File For Bankruptcy Protection? Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:55:36 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Dave Olson wrote: > } Bribery, by any other name, is still bribery. To say it is not > } bribery because it is legal is pure sophistry; Mr. Olson, you'd have a > } great career as a lawyer :-) > As bribery of federal officials is a federal crime, I suggest you take your > view to the FBI. I'd be interested in knowing how far you get before they > start laughing behind your back. A loan is just a bribe that you have to return someday. There's very little difference between a loan and a bribe. One you return with money, the other you return with money. Any campaign contribution is an attack on democracy unless it contributes equally to everyone who wants to run. Both sides know it sucks, but if they admit it, this vindictive society that they have created will only throw them in jail for doing it. > In answer to your question, in a way yes. Of the two major parties, the > Democrats are the more obnoxious. Like Republicans, Democrats are perfectly > willing to keep the welfare state (including corporate welfare) going and > they are just as fervent supporters of the drug war. But in addition, they > favor tighter gun control, higher taxes, and more government regulation of > people's economic activities. Eventually though, I'd like to see both parties > go broke, but I'll take them one at a time. Fact is, as long as we live under capitalism, SOMEBODY has to protect the jobs of gun makers, DEA officers, drug rehab clinic workers, bullet-proof vest makers, radar detector makers, radar gun makers, tobacco farmers, lung cancer researchers, lawyers, and prison officers everywhere.
7.4.97 All go hand in hand. 10.4.97 But capitalism has found a way. From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions,soc.culture.usa,sci.econ,soc.culture.mexican,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,soc.culture.europe,alt.nuke.the.USA,soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.folklore.military,alt.government.abuse,soc.couples.intercultural,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.europe,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution,soc.culture.african.american Subject: Re: Lord Deliver Us From Hispanics Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:55:45 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > The White gene pool is what allowed Whites to progress and build the > greatest civilizations and cultures known to man: Greece, Rome, > classical and modern Europe, America. Yet Negroes have never created > a single modern advanced civilization and every country they take over > goes into the crapper. South Africa is declining with the take-over > of Blacks and is heading straight back to the jungle. Economics and > politics have nothing to do with this -- the difference is genetic, > which is why you'll never see anything but filth and third world > squalor from all-Black countries. There are more Muslims than Christians. Obviously, they are more genetically adaptable. Let's kill off all the Christians. There are more Chinese than Americans. Obviously, they are more genetically adaptable. Let's kill off all the Americans. There are more Windows users than Mac users. Obviously, they are more genetically adaptable. Let's kill off all the Mac users. It's quite obvious from your tone that you really ARE trying to deflect the rebirth of communism into a racially charged issue. But, of course, you face a never-ending battle. Like the Pheonix that rises from its ashes, neither communism nor democracy will ever go away. Sharing power, sharing money. Same thing. THAT is why the communist Domino Effect is as unstoppable as the democratic Domino Effect. ------- "Arthur Phili ..." it said, then glanced sharply at him and down at his clipboard. He frowned. He looked up at him again. "I've done you before haven't I?" he said.
From: "C. Kane" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.society.labor-unions,sci.econ,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,soc.couples.intercultural,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.mexican,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.economics,soc.culture.african.american Subject: Re: Lord Deliver Us From Hispanics Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:23:36 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Sonar wrote: > > >Under a capitalist economy, inventing a drug that > > >cures AIDS is like inventing a light-bulb that lasts > > >forever. Every AIDS treatment and light-bulb company > > >will want you dead. > > This of course explains the continued enormous power of the > > buggy-whip, steel and railroad industries. Who do you think lobbies against funding of solar energy, electric cars, wind energy, fusion research? Every company that will lose business if those energy sources succeed. It's hard to imagine how ANYBODY'S life could POSSIBLY be hurt by new invention. But capitalism has found a way. > It also helps explain why a Utopia/Communist country like China routinely > come out with so many brilliant inventions and medicinal cures all the time > (NOT!). And yet that country is able to support so many more people (along with India) than this one, despite having such "sad technology" and "stupid health care". Communism / socialism are able to support so many people because they share wealth. This country is able to produce so many ideas because it the sharing of power promotes freedom of expression. Capitalism only causes new ideas to be lost behind trade secrets.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: alt.society.labor-unions,soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.mexican,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,soc.culture.europe,alt.nuke.the.USA,soc.culture.canada,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.reform,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.folklore.military,alt.government.abuse,soc.couples.intercultural,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.europe,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution,soc.culture.african.american Subject: Re: Lord Deliver Us From Hispanics Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:41:01 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. work4food wrote: > People who truly "love" something, anything at all, do not abandon that > thing, especially if they perceive it to be threatened. You by all > means should move to Europe if you feel you cannot bring yourself to > contribute to Americas future. But please do not present yourself as a > victim. We don't need victims. We need citizens. Under a capitalist "democracy" there ARE no citizens. Only victims. EVEN the rich. As if they are making life better for themselves by perpetuating capitalism. All it produces is trade secrets, patents, copyrights, marketing. So much human potential wasted in secrets and lies. If I invented a drug that can cure AIDS, should I release it and risk losing all the continuing business I'm getting on AIDS treatment drugs? Under capitalism, there's only ONE answer. Under capitalism, disease and medicine, crime and justice, ignorance and education, all go hand in hand. If the problem is ever solved, they'd all lose their jobs.
From: "H. Stowe" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.society.anarchy,alt.politics.socialism,alt.anarchism,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.print,alt.journallism.freelance,alt.politics.media,alt.radio.pirate,alt.illuminati,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.fan.howard-stern,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.evil,alt.feminism,alt.fan.richard-nixon,alt.fan.ronald-reagan,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton Subject: Re: Capitalism is a Crime Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:13:00 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. DivineHammer@pipeline.com wrote: > >Sure, in a capitalist society, EVERYONE'S salary goes up. > >EVERYONE'S happy. Fucking idiots. It's all inflation in > >the end. THAT is why your coffee money can buy a tank for > >a child in some Third World nation. The only difference > >between taxes spent on feeding and educating the poor and > >taxes spent on a bigger and more powerful police state is > >the difference between liberty and slavery. > I see. If you don't buy tanks, some other country will take you over > and make you slaves. So we need more tanks, yes? We already carry a big stick. It's time to offer a bigger carrot. No matter how much bigger we make our stick, there will always be "terrorism" as long as there's poverty, as long as freedom of the press belongs only to the rich or powerful. "Terrorism" is nothing more than warfare with smaller armies, because our armies have enough power to crush all large armies. Under capitalism, terrorism against economic autocrats are evil, but terrorism against political autocrats are "freedom fighters". As long as the only way the powerless can get themselves heard is by pulling "publicity stunts", then those publicity stunts will only get Bigger and Better (TM). ----- The only difference between a political prisoner and a common criminal is the country you live in.
5.4.97 It's a testosterone world. From: "W. Bagger" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,can.politics,sci.econ,ont.general,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,alt.philosophy.objectivism,soc.culture.europe Subject: Re: Jews Love to Torture and How! Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:20:27 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > Stalin killed several times more people than Hitler *purportedly* > killed according to the Holocaust legend. If condemning mass murder > was really the Jews' intention then Stalin would be far more > condemned. Yet Stalin is not condemned half as much as Hitler is. > Are Russian lives less valuable than Jews? What's going on is > obvious: Jews are exploiting the largely fictitious "Holocaust" > legend to secure various political advantages and extort huge sums of > money for themselves and Israel. History belongs to those who write it. Stalin's atrocities may be much more publicized today if the Soviet "communist" autocrats had actually allowed survivors to leave and come here to tell about it. With the collapse of the Soviet Union so many decades later, all of that has already started to fade from society's memory with each passing generation. The fact is, the rise of autocracy is evil under EITHER communism or capitalism. It's only more interesting to us living under a capitalist "democracy" because it HAPPENED under a capitalist "democracy." Why do we humans consider autocracy to be evil anyway? The answer is that those value systems which label the most inefficient human actions as "evil" are the most likely to survive. Autocracy is called "evil" because it usually fails miserably at building morale, thus forcing valuable resources to be wasted on propaganda and marketing. -------- "Arthur Phili ..." it said, then glanced sharply at him and down at his clipboard. He frowned. He looked up at him again. "I've done you before haven't I?" he said.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.libertarian,can.politics,alt.politics.socialism,ont.general,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.reform,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.dan-quayle,talk.politics.theory,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.bob-dole,alt.current-events.usa,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.liberalism,soc.culture.usa,alt.philosophy.objectivism,soc.culture.europe. Subject: Re: Jews Love to Torture and How! Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 15:20:25 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Brian Smith wrote: > Criticism of Israel won't change a thing. No matter how many > obligatory and mild slaps on the wrist are made against Israel for > their LEGAL torture Palestinians -- if any -- you can be sure it's not > going to change Israel's receipt of $5.5 BILLION in U.S. taxpayer > dollars every year, regardless of HOW many Palestinians the Israelis > torture and kill. That's because Congress won't dare question > anything the Jews want. Here is the scam. A politician gets elected. Whatever his views, it hardly matters. But then he gets briefed by national security advisors and real economists. And discovers the real secret: that both capitalism and autocracy are failures. But that is exactly what every system of government in this world is, to differing degrees. These pitiful politicians realize that their entire society is a lie. Some get so disillusioned that they quit. Others stick it out as hypocrits, trying to hint their way to democratic communism. This usually fails because we live in a society of idiots who can't take hints and would sooner kill you than agree with you. So these pitiful politicians have to invent war, invent racism, invent hatred just to retain the ability to keep dropping hints. It's a testosterone world. Peace, welfare, and education just aren't macho enough topics.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.feminism,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc Subject: Re: N.O.W. : National Organization for Welfare Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 14:27:03 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Horn E. Dog wrote: > Don't forget it was a congress controlled by free spending liberals for 40 > years that rang up the 6 TRILLION DOLLAR national debt. If you bleeding > heart liberals hadn't spent so damn much we wouldn't have pay billions > yearly to service the national debt. Debt means nothing but new jobs. Democrats attack Reagan for increasing the national debt. Republicans attack the Democrats for controlling Congress when it happened. Who the hell cares? What REALLY matters is should those new jobs be spent producing something destructive or constructive? Prisons or schools? Warfare or welfare? Do we want our "opponents" to fear us or to love us? Cowards and fools engage in competition. Intelligent life engages in cooperation.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.usa.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarians,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.congress Subject: Re: Newt "foot-in-mouth" Gingrich Speaks Out Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 21:34:43 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mark C. Craig wrote: > If Gingrich is so smart, why does he stick his foot in his mouth > every time he speaks? I understand he told the Chinese that we > would defend Taiwan if they attacked. Doesn't he know that an > attack on Taiwan is not a threat to our vital interests? You > don't think he means that our sons and daughters should fight and > die to protect the interests of the multinational companies? SOMEBODY has to play the bad cop. How would it look to us oh so loyal and patriotic Americans if both our parties were "soft on China"? We live in a country of raving lunatics, my friend. If both sides actually agreed on anything, we'd all accuse them of conspiracy. If the two parties aren't constantly at each other's throats, we'd accuse them of not doing their jobs. I didn't come to this hockey game to see any hockey.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.current-events.usa,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism Subject: Re: Starr guzzled $28,000,000 so far Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:48:59 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. kenfran@concentric.net wrote: > > ->> It's worth every single penny !! > All the special prosecuters have spent something like 160 million > dollars. At least it creates Jobs (TM)! All the investigators, all the paper pushers, all the judges, the pundits, the spin-doctors. The problem with a capitalist society is that if it doesn't invent new crimes and new regulations to punish people for, it'll put a lot of unhappy prison guards, lawyers, and inspectors out of work.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d Subject: Re: Cooperation or Competition (Was: Re: Capitalism fuels racism) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:54:20 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Scott D. Erb wrote: > Cooperation can be facilitated by uniform banking regulations, a common > currency, an ending of trade barriers, and free movements of people across > borders. True, true, and true. > Yet competition is the core of capitalism. What gives? > The answer, it seems, is that this dichotomy is actually a false dichotomy. > Even in capitalism, competition is not the route to the best outcome for > individual capitalists. If they could collude and create a monopoly or > oligarchy (cooperate), then they could charge higher prices and use their > clout as a barrier to prevent other firms from competing. > Monopoly capitalism > would be absent the incentives for change which give the system its dynamism. When monopoly or oligopoly forms, it can indeed create great efficiency. However, then it becomes a competition between producer and consumer, both sides wanting more dollars. This could be easily fixed by implementing consumer democracy. As for the "absence of dynamism", that only occurs when the monopoly company is run like an autocracy (like our current "communist" states). When employees become too afraid of their managers to disagree, the company stagnates. This could easily be fixed by implementing employee democracy.
4.4.97 What party you belong to. From: "W. Hearst" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.radical-left,sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.medicine,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: National health insurance *conservative*? Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:50:18 -0700 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Claude Du Bois wrote: > >: Education and money and better Federal food inspection ! > >Food inspection was brought in by that flaming liberal Teddy > >Roosevelt, who saw more friends die from food poisoning than > >bullets in the Spanish-American War ... > By today's standards, T.R. would be considered a " Liberal ," even > though he was a Republican/Populist. I cannot think of any Republican > today who would have the nerve to take on any Corporation at all. Indeed, Teddy WAS a flaming liberal, as was the rest of the Republicans before the Great Depression. But when FDR's conservative Democrats came into power, they had their work cut out for them by an economic crisis. THAT was the turning point of American politics. He was forced to adopt communist programs in order to repair the collapse of the country's capitalist pyramid scheme. You don't think the Party of Emancipation became the Party of Capitalism simply out of natural drift do you? Lincoln was shot because he was a proto-communist, much like Jesus was a proto-communist ("malice towards none, charity for all"). His biggest mistake was not being able to convince his "opponents" that "malice towards none" really DID mean malice towards none. And so he went the way of JFK, because capitalists can't see that wealth can actually be created by production rather than by printing currency.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.labor-unions,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.medicine,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.usa.republican Subject: Re: National health insurance *conservative*? Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 17:28:20 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Claude Du Bois wrote: > Considering that this has been the practice of the Republican Party > for over 80 years, I can't see why you would be concerned that the > Democrats have cauth onto your game and want the same advantages! > Other then the fact that you people are nolonger able to pull the wool > over the Average Americans eyes anymore! Hardly 80 years. The turning point of both parties didn't come until FDR. Before that, Republicans were quite liberal. In the end, what party you belong to hardly matters anymore than your religion or color.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.socialism,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.democrats.d,soc.rights.human,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.republican,soc.culture.latin-america Subject: Re: RUN-UP FOR May 1st / May 15th - Where were the Communsts right? Where were they wrong? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:02:39 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. dennis@mvmar.mar.urbe.it wrote: > In the run-up to May 1st the Internationally (if not in the U.S.) > recognized Labor Day and then May 15th, the day that I put-up as a day to > raise a global voice of protest against the inhumanity of globalization > which, as a machine, seems to be methodically smashing people across the > globe in the name of 'efficiency' and on the altar of interests, I would > like to put-up a number of questions for discussion on the net. The > question for this week would be simply: "Where were the old Communists > right? And where were they wrong?" = Obviously, the trampling of human > rights under Stalinism would fall under the "wrong" column. Even the > fixation on the out-right socialization of (all) property would probably > belong there. "Where they were wrong" is the day autocracy prevented true communism from taking place. Where we were wrong was the day capitalism prevented true democracy from taking place. Where EVERYONE was wrong was in the misinterpretation of Darwinism - that humans evolve individually. Humans have long stopped evolving individually, but evolve as a society, by cooperation. The illusion that one person is "genetically" smarter than another one is false. It is merely a difference in outlook. Some can only find weaknesses in others, some can only find weaknesses in themselves, and others look for both. "Intelligence" seems to grow out of oppression - whether you're left-handed, near-sighted, fat, thin, an immigrant, or not a first-born son. What it REALLY grows out of is the simple recognition that everyone is wrong in one way and right in another, and the desire to figure out which parts are which. ------- Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.anarchy,alt.politics.socialism,alt.anarchism,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.journalism,alt.journalism.print,alt.journallism.freelance,alt.politics.media,alt.radio.pirate,alt.illuminati,alt.discordia,alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.camille-paglia,alt.fan.conan-obrien,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.fan.howard-stern,alt.fan.kroq,alt.fan.letterman,alt.fan.madonna,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.evil,alt.horror,alt.feminism,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.slack,alt.conspiracy.area51,alt.goddess.timothy.sutter,alt.pparanet.ufo,alt.alien.reserach,alt.alien,visitors,alt.fan.richard-nixon,alt.satanism,alt.fan.ronald-reagan,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton Subject: Re: Capitalism is a Failure and it Destroys Small Companies Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:38:53 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Docktor Reality wrote: > Oh, yes it is. All through the history of the free market there is a > long legacy of tax-payer bail-outs for the capital fools who system is > more like socailism than socialism. > Chysler > McDonalds > Nike > Disney > Dow Chemical > Texaco > Conrail > are bon-fide state industries judging by the amount of tax-payer cash > they have been given. Secondly small companies and tradition main street > stores are vanishing due to mega-corporations. > Capitalism is a failure Those are basically examples of "communist" autocracy. Which can all be solved by consumer democracy. And you wouldn't even need too many small companies if you had employee democracy.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.usa.republican,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.radio.talk,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Media Bias. (What a joke!) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:19:37 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mary E Knadler wrote: > Agreed. Rush is, as he says repeatedly, offering balance to the > liberal media. I guess that's what bothers these people the most they > don't want to hear both sides of an issue. It doesn't bother them that > when the media comes up with things like the Republicans are starving > the children, throwing old people into the street, abolishing Social > Security they don't think that should be corrected. Rush gives us the > truth about what the Republicans want to do in their role in the > Congress& this just kills them They don't want to hear the > truth----they just want the liber media spin. yasmin2 The problem with media in general is that we're all fooled that there are 2 strict sides to any issue. Democrat or Republican. Conservative or Liberal. American media has produced a mindless population devoid of the ability to think for themselves, unable to criticize both sides. -------- Thou shalt not make any graven image, or bow down before any creation in heaven or on earth.
From: "J. Steinbeck" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.limbots.spineless,alt.politics.socialism,alt.fan.ronald-reagan,alt.politics.libertarian,soc.culture.usa,alt.society.labor-unions,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.fan.g-gordon-liddy,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.correct,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.misc,ca.politics,alt.politics.radical-left,tx.politics,ny.politics,alt.cabal,soc.misc,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: JAIL prevents CRIME? -- Dittoheads v. LIBRILL!S Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 17:06:01 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Crash wrote: >>An American "Liberal" in Western Europe is a fascist >>conservative. It is traditional for anyone in power >>to be conservative, whether they are rich, powerful, >>or a member of the majority race / creed / culture. > Liberal: wants to take all of our money after we earn it. > Conservative: wants to take all of our money before we earn it. There really isn't much of a difference. Whether you lose money to your employer or money to your government, it's all just deflation in the end. What REALLY matters is how that money is spent. An intelligent society would spend it on the production and spread of knowledge - ie. welfare, education, and research. Whether it's public or private doesn't matter either, as long as there's enough consumer and employee democracy.
From: "D. Gale" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.libertarian,sci.econ,alt.politics.democrats.d,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.politics.socialism Subject: Re: Limits on wealth? was Re: Capitalism will implode in the near future. Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 16:33:14 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Mike Wooding wrote: > So, the thread to which my posting was a response asserted that > supply & demand was broken because wealth was unlimited. I pointed > out that 1) wealth is not unlimited (at least at any given moment) > and hence 2) S&D is not broken. It would depend on your definition of wealth. If you define it in terms of the amount of dollars in circulation, then it indeed is limited. If you define it in terms of labor, knowledge, and access to resources, then it is in fact NOT limited. What we gain in terms of knowledge and access to new resources could be easily given back to society, to train those who are out of work, and prepare them to be more productive. THAT is what efficiency is.
From: "D. Gale" cyu@geocities.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.economics,sci.econ,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.socialism,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.radical-left Subject: Re: Supply Side Economics - What is it? Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 15:24:11 -0800 Organization: Church of Scientology, Intimidation, and Vast Profits, Inc. Edward Flaherty wrote: > > What is the real economic theory popularly called Supply Side Economics? > > Is there really any such modern economic theory? > SS economics concentrates on the effect marginal tax rates have > on the incentives of firms to invest and of people to work. Real supply side economics would not require much government action at all. All you need to do is convince stock holders that companies run like "communist" autocracies (shared resources and a top-down command structure) are doomed to inefficiency. Then, either these companies will have to restructure themselves, or risk "defection" of both investors and employees to those companies with more democracy, more freedom of speech, and more even distributions of income. Of course, nobody dares actually say this, or it might lead to an SEC investigation. Either that, or he's a stock broker... nobody likes giving away trade secrets in a capitalist society.

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