Isabella Ramsay

Born in 1814 in Newhaven, North Leith, Midlothian, Scotland.
Married in 1838 in Newhaven to Walter Lyle.
Died in 1892 in Newhaven at age 78.

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Birth

1814 - Births in the Parish of North Leith

RAMSAY

Isabella lawful Daughter of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven and Isabella Martin was born the 21st and baptised the 24th of Septr. 1814.

Source: New Register House, Edinburgh and LDS Microfilm 1067766 Page 849.

Marriage

1838 - Marriages in the Parish of North Leith

LYLES & RAMSAY

Walter Lyles, Fisherman, Newhaven & Isabella Ramsay, Newhaven, daughter of the late William Ramsay Fisherman there were proclaimed the 17th & Married 22nd June 1838 by the Revd James Fairbairn, Minr of Newhaven.

Source: New Register House, Edinburgh.

Death

1892 - Deaths in the District of South Leith - Entry 692/308.

Name	Isabella Lyle
When	April 29th
Age	60 [really 78?]
Marital Status	Pauper, Widow
Spouse	Walter Lyle
Where	Leith Hospital
Residence	Poor House, North Leith
Father	William Ramsay, Fisherman (deceased)
Mother	Isabella Martin (deceased)
Cause	Strangulated femoral hernia
Doctor	R. Murray Lyon MB
Informant	Walter Lyle, son, 17 New Lane, Newhaven.

Source: New Register House, Edinburgh.

Ancestors

...........................................unknown
...........................................unknown
........................William Ramsay
Isabella Ramsay
........................Isabella Martin
...........................................Alexander Martin
...........................................Christian Durham

Brothers and Sisters

Chrisiana Ramsay was born on the 25th and christened on 29th March 1805 in Newhaven. There is a second christening record on the 14th of April 1805 in Newhaven.

1805 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067766 OPR 692/1/4 Page 731.
Chrisiana lawful Daughter of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven and Isabel Martin was born March the 25th & baptized March the 29th 1805.

Isobel Ramsay was born on the 23rd and christened on 29th November 1806 in Newhaven.

1806 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067766 OPR 692/1/4 Page 750.
Isobel lawful Daughter of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven and Isobel Martin was born Novr 23rd & baptized Novr 29th 1806.

1808 - Deaths in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067767 OPR 692/1/7 Page 46.
1808 Ramsay Measles Age 1.
Isabel Daughter of William Ramsay died the 26th & was buried the 28th May.

Marion Ramsay was born on the 12th and christened on 19th May 1809 in Newhaven, and married on the 11th of January 1833 in Newhaven to Rutherford Durham. Rutherford Durham was born on the 24th of December 1809 and christened on the 4th of January 1810 in Newhaven to James Durham and Christian Rutherford.

1809 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067766 OPR 692/1/4 Page 781.
Marion lawful Daughter of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven and Isabella Martin was born the 12th & baptized the 19th May 1809.

James Durham was born on the 30th of June 1834 in Newhaven.
William Durham was born on the 15th of December 1835 in Newhaven.
Isabella Durham was born on the 19th of May and christened on the 6th of June 1839 in Newhaven and married on the 30th of September 1864 in Newhaven to William Noble. William Noble was born on the 23rd of March 1838 in Newhaven to John Noble and Janet Main.

Marion Ramsay Noble was born on the 11th of December 1865 in Newhaven, Leith, Midlothian.
Janet Main Noble was born on the 5th of January 1868 in Newhaven. Janet may have married a Thomas Hume in 1884 in Newhaven.
John Noble was born on the 13th of February 1870 in Newhaven.
Isabella Noble was born on the 23rd of July 1871 in Newhaven.
Rutherford Durham Noble was born on the 12th of September 1872 in Newhaven.
Marion Durham Noble was born on the 7th of September 1874 in Newhaven.

Christina Durham was born on the 4th and christened on the 11th of July 1844 in Newhaven, and married on the 28th of September 1866 in Newhaven to James Carnie (Ship Pilot). They later moved to Falkirk and Grangemouth. James was born on the 28th of February and christened on the 25th of March 1844 in Newhaven to John Carnie and Ann Comb.

Marion Ramsay Carnie was born on the 21st of September 1868 in Newhaven, Leith, Midlothian. This Marion is believed to have died as a baby.
Ann Combe Carnie was born on the 18th of August 1872 in Newhaven.
Marion Ramsay Carnie was born on the 22nd of July 1874 in Newhaven and married in 1899 in Grangemouth to James Hendry (Grocer Shopkeeper). James Hendry was born in 1874/75 in Falkirk.
John Carnie was born in 1876/77 in Newhaven.
Christina Carnie was born in 1878/79 in Newhaven.
Anetta L. Carnie (Draper's Assistant) was born in 1880 in Newhaven.
James Carnie was born in 1888/89 in Falkirk, Stirlingshire.

Marion Durham was born on the 7th and christened on the 23rd of November 1849 in Newhaven.

Martin Ramsay was born on the 13th and christened on 18th May 1812 in Newhaven, and first married on the 5th of October 1838 in Newhaven to Helen Flucker, then married on the 16th or 24th of May 1844 in Newhaven to Janet E. Carnie. Janet is believed to have been born on the 21st of June and christened on the 15th of July 1821 in Newhaven to James Carnie and Jean Leslie.

1812 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067766 OPR 692/1/4 Page 818.
Martin lawful Son of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven & Isabella Martin was born the 13th & baptized the 18th of May 1812.

Children by Helen Flucker:

No children found.

Children by Janet Carnie:

Jane Ramsay was born on the 22nd of August and christened on the 3rd of October 1847 in Newhaven. Missing in 1851 census.
Martin Ramsay was born on the 16th of November and christened on the 2nd of December 1849 in Newhaven.
Leslie (M) Ramsay was born on the 8th and christened on the 22nd of October 1851 in Newhaven and married on the 17th of October 1879 in Newhaven to Jane Main. (Verify this marriage) Jane is believed to have been born on the 31st of March and christened on the 25th of April 1853 in Newhaven to Thomas Latta Main and Jane Wilson.
- Jane Wilson Ramsay was born on the 11th of December 1881 in Newhaven and married in 1907 in Newhaven to Alexander Murdo MacLean.
William Ramsay was born on the 1st of February and christened on the 2nd of April 1854 in Newhaven and married around 1875 in ___ to Euphemia Sugden. Euphemia was born on the 3rd of August 1855 in Leith to George Sugden and Euphemia Taylor.
- Janet Carnie Ramsay was born on the 17th of September 1876 in Trinity, Newhaven and married on the 9th of June 1900 in Newhaven to Liston Carnie. Janet and Liston emigrated to Australia with their seven children, arriving in Sydney on the 11th of April 1929. Janet died on the 1st of September 1947 in Sydney, Australia.
James Carnie Ramsay was born on the 1st of August 1856 in Newhaven. (twin)
Janet Carnie Ramsay was born on the 1st of August 1856 in Newhaven. (twin)
Isabella Martin Ramsay was born on the 8th of November 1859 in Newhaven and married in 1888 in Newhaven to George Wilson Liston.

Isabella Ramsay born on 21st and christened on 24th September 1814 in Newhaven, and married on the 22nd of June 1838 in Newhaven to Walter Lyle (Fisherman).
John Ramsay (Fisherman) was born on the 16th and christened on 22nd June 1817 in Newhaven.

1817 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067766 OPR 692/1/4 Page 887.
John lawful Son of William Ramsay Fisherman in Newhaven & Isabella Martin was born the 16th baptized the 22nd of June 1817.

Catherine Ramsay was born on the 8th and christened on 22nd November 1821 in Newhaven, and married on the 8th of November 1850 in Newhaven to Thomas Linton (Fisherman). Thomas Linton was born on the 24th of June 1824 in Newhaven to John Linton and Helen Linton.

1821 - Baptisms in North Leith - LDS Microfilm 1067767 OPR 692/1/8 Page 527.
Catherine lawful Daughter of William Ramsay Fisherman, Newhaven & Isabella Martin was born the 8th & baptized the 22nd of Novr 1821.

Isabella Linton was christened on the 9th of January 1852 in Newhaven.
John Linton was christened on the 10th of November 1854 in Newhaven. John may have married a Helen Liddle in 1878 in Newhaven.

Source: LDS Microfilm 1067766, Ian Thomson of Sydney, Australia (descendant).

Descendants

<<<< See Elizabeth Lyle's brothers and sisters >>>>

Census

1841 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 1042815 67th District Page 13

Easter Close

Walter Lyles	25	Fisherman
Isab.	25	.
Walter	2	.
/Isabella	6 mths	.
//Jefsie Ferguson	15	Fem. Servt.

1851 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0103731 ED 68 Page 33.

Main Street

Walter Lyles	Head	Mar	35	Fisherman	Midlothian No. Leith
Isabella Do.	Wife	Mar	36	.	Do. Do.
Isabella Do.	Daur	U	11	House Servant	Do. Do.
William Do.	Son	.	9	Scholar	Do. Do.
Euphemia Do.	Daur	.	6	Scholar	Do. Do.
Catherine Do.	Daur	.	4	Scholar	Do. Do.
Margaret Do.	Daur	.	10 months	.	Do. Do.

1851 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0103731 ED 65 Page 13.

3 New Lane

Isabella's elder sister Marion and Rutherford Duham.

Rutherford Durham	Head	Mar	40	Fisherman	Midlothian No. Leith
Marion do.	Wife	Mar	40	.	do. do.
Wm [William] do.	Son	U	15	.	do. do.
Isa [Isabella] do.	Daur	U	11	Scholar	do. do.
Ch [Christina] do.	Daur	U	6	do.	do. do.
M [Marion] do.	Daur	U	1	.	do. do.

1851 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0103731 ED 67 Page 4.

Main Street

Isabella's elder brother Martin and Janet Carney. Their first child, Jane, is missing.

Martin Ramsay	Head	Mar	36	Fisherman	Midlothian No. Leith
Janet E. Ramsay	Wife	Mar	28	.	do. do.
Martin Ramsay	Son	U	18mo.	.	do. do.
Isabella Anderson	Serv.	U	13	House Servant	do. Edinburgh

1851 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0103731 ED 68 Page 21.

Main Street

Isabella's younger sister Catherine and their mother, Isabella Ramsay. Catherine and Thomas Linton are just newly married. Mother Isabella Ramsay is now blind.

Thomas Linton	Head	Mar	26	Fisherman	Midlothian North Leith
Catherine Do.	Wife	Mar	27	.	Do. Do.
Isabella Ramsay	Mother in Law	Widow	72	Formerly Fish Seller	Do. Do. Blind
James Wilson	Nephew	U	21	Fisherman	Do. Do.
Margaret Do.	Niece	U	19	Fish Seller	Do. Do.

1861 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0103881 18th District Page 9

Shore

Walter Lyle	Head	Mar.	45	Fisherman	Edinburgh Newhaven
Isabella	Wife	Mar.	44		do. do.
William	Son	Un.	18	Fisherman	do. do.
Euphemia	Dau.	Un.	16		do. do.
Margaret	Dau.	Un.	13	Scholar	do. do.
Elizabeth	Dau.	Un.	9	Scholar	do. do.
Walter	Son	Un.	2		do. do.

1871 North Leith Census - Film 0104059 ED18 Page 23.

17 Westmost Close.

Isabella is now widowed and living with her youngest son.

Isabella Lyles	Head	Widow	57	Fishdealer	Edinburgh N.Leith
Walter do.	Son	.	14	Scholar	do. do.

1871 Census - North Leith - Film 0104059 ED 16 Page 43.

20 Victoria Place, Newhaven.

Isabella's elder sister Marion and Rutherford Durham. Also Isabella's daughter Catherine is their domestic servant.

Rutherford Durham	Head	Mar	62	Fisherman	Newhaven Leith
Marion Durham	Wife	Mar	62	.	Do.
Catherine Lyle	Serv	Unm	23	General Serv Domestic	Do.

1871 Census - Newhaven, North Leith - Film 0104059 ED 16 Page 43 & 44.

22 Victoria Place

Isabella's elder brother Martin and Janet Carney.

Martin Ramsay	Head	Mar	59	Fisherman	Newhaven Leith
Janet Ramsay	Wife	Mar	49	.	Do.
Leslie Do.	Son	Unm	19	Fisherman	Do.
William Do.	Son	.	17	Do.	Do.
Isabella Do.	Daur	.	11	Scholar	Do.

1881 Midlothian Census - Film 0224016 692-1 ED16 Page 47.

2 Maitland Street, Newhaven.

Isabella Ramsay

Head

Widow

Fish Hawker

Newhaven

1881 Midlothian Census - Film 0224016 692-1 ED16 Page 1.

Sharps Buildings, Newhaven.

Isabella's older sister Marion is now widowed and staying with her daughter Christina Carnie.

James Carnie	Head	Mar	37	Pilot	Newhaven No. Leith
Christina Do.	Wife	"	36	.	"
Ann Do.	Daur	Unm	8	Scholar	"
Marion Do.	"	"	6	"	"
John Do.	Son	"	4	"	"
Christina Do.	Daur	"	2	.	"
Anetta L. Do.	Daur	"	7m	.	"
Marion Durham	Mother-in-Law	Wid	71	Annuitant	"

1881 Midlothian Census - Film 0224016 692-1 ED16 Page 6.

10 Victoria Place, Newhaven.

Isabella's older brother Martin.

Martyn Ramsay	Head	Mar	70	Fisherman	Newhaven
Janet "	Wife	"	57	.	"
Isabella "	Daur	Unm	21	Housekeeper	"

1891 Census - Isabella not found in Newhaven. Probably already in the Poor House in South Leith.

1901 Census - Grangemouth, Stirlingshire - 6 rooms.

Myrtle Cottage, Grangemouth.

Isabella's neice, Christina Carnie (Durham).

James Carnie	Head	Mar	57	Ship Pilot	Midlothian Newhaven
Christina Do.	Wife	Mar	57		Do. Do.
Annette Do.	Daur	S.	20	Draper's Assistant	Do. Do.
James Do.	Son		12	Scholar	Stirlingshire Falkirk
James Hendry	Son-in-law	Mar	26	Grocer Shopkeeper	Do. Do.
Marion Do.	Daur.	Mar	26		Midlothian Newhaven

Homes and Schools

Easter Close, Newhaven. 1841
Main Street, Newhaven. 1851
Shore, Newhaven. 1861
3 Wester Close, Newhaven. 1868
17 Westmost Close, Newhaven. 1871
2 Maitland Street, Newhaven. 1881
Poor house, North Leith. 1892 (death)

Occupation

Fish Hawker.
Fish dealer.

Other Comments

To find out more about the history and genealogy of the fishing village of Newhaven near Edinburgh, visit the Old Newhaven website.

Other descendants:

Alexandra and David Flucker of Kirknewton, West Lothian, Scotland (daibhidh@supanet.com)
David Graham Flucker (1852) and Elizabeth Lyle.
Combe Flucker (1887) and Margaret Liston.

Lyle Booth (lyle.d.booth@att.net)
            Walter Lyle (1814) and Isabella Ramsay
            William Lyles (1843) and Margaret Beveridge.
            Alexander Beveridge Lyle (1870) and Margaret Philips.

Linda Hackett of Norwich, England (pjbhackett@hotmail.com)
            Walter Lyle (1814) and Isabella Ramsay
            Euphemia Lyle (1845) and John Butler
            Margaret Lyle Butler (1884) and Charles Hodges

Jimmy Butler of Leith (jamesbutler1@blueyonder.co.uk )
            Walter Lyle (1814) and Isabella Ramsay
            Euphemia Lyle (1845) and John Butler
            James Robertson Butler (1885) and Jane O'Neil

Joyce Wood of Canada (martha10@attcanada.ca )
            Walter Lyle (1814) and Isabella Ramsay
            Euphemia Lyle (1845) and John Butler
            Martha Fraser Butler (1870) and James Thomson

Ian Thomson of Sydney (robiantho@optusnet.com.au )
            William Ramsay (c1780) and Isabella Martin
            Martin Ramsay (1812) and Janet E. Carnie
            William Ramsay (1854) and Euphemia Sugden
            Janet Carnie Ramsay (1876) and Liston Carnie

In early life, had a servant, but died in the poor house; a pauper.

Her husband Walter died from a concussion after falling while drunk.

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