MOUND CEMETERY - RW Soldiers Survey
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Sunday August 29, 2004 03:26:37
MOUND CEMETERY - RW Soldiers Survey
In my July 2004 Newsletter I wrote a “FAST FACT” that Mound Cemetery in Marietta has the most Revolutionary War Officers buried there. That is more any other cemetery in the USA. There are 24 Officers.
I have always heard this, even in history class at school, and you will find this fact stated on MANY websites that has information about Mound Cemetery in Washington County, Ohio.
However, Millie Fry, who is a avid, and very experienced researcher on the Revolutionary War soldiers of Washington County, Ohio questioned this fact, thinking that it is possible that the most soldiers would be buried somewhere in one of the New England states. Millie also works at the new Revolutionary War Library on 5th St. in Marietta.
This got me to thinking.....could her thinking about this have some merit to what I and many others believe???
Please keep in mind that I am not a professional historian by any means, but finding out all I can about the history of Washington Co., Ohio has been an interest of mine since the 7th grade. It's just like genealogy, because history comes alive through genealogy. The more you know, the more you want to learn.
When I visited Mound Cemetery in July, I took a digital photo of the marker in front of the Mound that was erected by the Washington County, Ohio Historical Society in 1968. On this marker, it has this statement:
"IT HAS BEEN TOLD THAT MORE REVOLUTIONARY OFFICERS BURIED IN THIS COUNTY THAN ANY REGION IN THE UNITED STATES"
My belief is that the key words to this are "buried in this COUNTY than in any region" (Not the most officers buried in Mound Cemetery). With that statement, I found it to be more believable.
I contacted Millie Fry with this information, and she suggested that I contact several organizations and ask the reference librarian to see what answers they would give me for several questions to ask, but to ask only one question, the same to each reference librarian. I chose the question:
“WHICH CEMETERY IN AMERICA HAS THE MOST RW SOLDIERS BURIED IN IT?”
I asked each one the same exact question. Below are the results.
New England Historic and Genealogical Society Library in Boston, MA - (Did not replied to my email).
New York Public Library - Librarian 1: Alas, using the limited resources available to this department, Ask Librarians Online, we were unable to find a definitive answer to your question, or even a National overview of where Revolutionary War soldiers are interred.
Boston Public Library - Replied wanting more detailed info about my questions, such as what resources I have looked into before emailing them with my question. Did this, but they never got back to me.
Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, IN - Very helpful, but could not find a definitive answer to my question. Referred me to a SAR book and told me about the Salem Cemetery in Washington County, New York and gave a quote from their site “Local belief is that this cemetery holds the largest number of Revolutionary War dead in the state, if not the nation.”
Their web site is http://www.salem-ny.com/revcem.html
Beyond that, the person who replied to my question searched Sons of the American Revolution and Daughters of the American Revolution materials and various registers and lists. A few states have lists of veterans by county, but those that I could find were states in the "west" like Indiana, and none had as many as Salem Cemetery.
LDS Morman Church Library in Salt Lake City, UT - (Did not replied to my email).
Western Reserve Historical Society in Cleveland, OH - Did not have answer. Directed me to the DAR and Library of Congress websites.
Historical Society of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA. - Suggested that I contact Independence National Historical Park, 143 S. 3rd St., Philadelphia, PA 19106.
National DAR - Very helpful. I telephoned the National DAR, and spoke to a woman at their reference desk. I asked her the question and told her of my reason for asking. She told me that she didn't have an answer off hand, but would contact the DAR Reference Historian at the Kentucky office and ask if they know, and would get back to me. She was very nice, and very willing to help me find an answer.
A day later, I received an email back from the Genealogical Records Committee Assistant (same person I spoke to on the phone) in reference to my question. This person contacted the DAR Reference Historian and she replied with the following answer:
"I'm afraid that I don't have an answer for you either-I don't believe that such a fact has been definitively established?! Debbie might wish to try contacting the Dept. of Veterans Affairs-maybe somebody there might have an idea?!"
The Genealogical Records Committee Assistant also spoke to someone in the research department who said the exact same thing. She also that if anyone would know it would be the gentleman you corresponded with at the Sons of the American Revolution."
She also stated this in the email:
"In trying to find a answer to your question, I came across several cemeteries in several states that had similar monuments erected. I don't think it is safe to say that Mound Cemetery has the most buried Revolutionary soldiers but it is safe to say that cemetery has the most buried officers than any other cemetery in Ohio. Sorry that I could not be of more help, but I tried!"
National SAR - The person that I emailed did not have an answer to the question. Referred me to ask the question to Robert F. Galer, Chairman Revolutionary War Graves Committee in Columbus, GA. I emailed the National SAR again and told them of my reasons for asking this question they replied with this statement:
“Maybe a large number of soldiers from Pennsylvania, etc. got military land grants in the Ohio Territory and actually moved there rather than selling the grants to someone else.”
Robert F. Galer, Chairman Revolutionary War Graves Committee - He replied to my email with only the following words: “I dunno”.
Ohio Historical Society - Could not answer the question. Referred me to DAR
Library Of Congress - Did not have an answer to the question. Told me that the Soldiers from the RW were not buried in national cemeteries as other wars. Referred me to a couple of books, and for me to ask my question to the DAR and SAR organizations.
Independence National Historical Park, Philadelphia, PA - Helpful. They replied, "Your inquiry about which cemetery in America has the most Revolutionary Soldiers buried in it has been referred to me for reply. I'm afraid that this is an impossible question to answer. To the best of my knowledge, there is no master list of every Revolutionary War soldier and the site of their eventual burial. To compile such a list would involve an exhaustive search of military records combined with additional research to learn when each veteran died and where he was buried. At the time of the Revolution, casualties were not shipped home; they were buried at or near the battle site. But to only count battlefield casualties would yield a false statistic. Your question is intriguing but unanswerable given the availability of data.
Doris Devine Fanelli, Ph.D., Chief Division of Cultural Resources Management Independence National Historical Park 143 South Third Street Philadelphia, PA 19106 "
One more thing that I should add about Mound Cemetery that I find interesting.....In the Tallow Light.(Vol. 6. No. 1 pg. 24) there is a letter written by an Earl Tower, National Revolutionary Graves Committee; SAR to Jerry Barker Devol, dated 4/5/1971. It states that he found it was interesting to have his (Jerry's) confirmation that the fact that Mound Cem. has more officers than any other cemetery.
I wonder how Jerry determined this fact?? What confirmed this??
Jerry Devol was one of my history teachers in school, and a well noted Washington County, Ohio historian. Also, Bertram (Bert) Duvall, who was my Ohio history teacher. He said the same thing about Mound Cemetery and it's officers. Both of these men are not deseased.
One last note...The websites that I have seen that Mound Cemetery has the most RW soldiers buried there is most likely incorrect. But I think it is safe to say it is a very good possibility that Mound Cemetery does have the most OFFICERS buried in Washington County, than any other county in the US. And just as the NATIONAL DAR says Mound Cemetery has the most buried OFFICERS than any other cemetery in Ohio. I am assuming this is with the names that are in the Memorial Plot of the unknown place of burials.
Survey Completed -- August 2004.
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John Dye Sr. 1734-1823
shirley a bentley
unitymarietta@aol.com
Saturday August 07, 2004 19:54:10
John Lawrence Dye 1734-1823 born New Jersey died Lawrence Twp Ohio.
Married twice: jane mount in New Jersey abt 1772-3. John Dye Jr. 1774 and Thomas Dye born 1776.
2nd - Elizabeth Caywood in Pr. William Virginia
children:
Amos Dye 9-9-1796 PWC.Va died 1-19-1876-Married Maria Taylor 9-12-1826 in WCO.
Samuel Dye 2-12-1780 PWC.Va died 9-25-1860 - Married Susannah Hoff in Va about 1798. Both burried in Moss Run Cemetery Lawrence Cty Ohio.
Ezekiel Dye born PWC.Va in 1784 D. Anoka Minn. Married Phoebe Davis born 9-14-1798 in New Jersey and also died in Minn.The were married 1815 in Marietta Ohio.
Jane (jenny) Dye born abt. 1785 in PWC.Va and died abt 1819 in Wash Cty Ohio. Married Henry Chamberlain in 1804.
Jonathan Dye b. 1787 in PWC.va and died 1857 in Wash Cty Oh. He married Euphemia "Fanny Caywood" 5-10-1812 in WCO
Mary Polly Dye born PWC.Va married James Hoff September 23, 1814 in Wash Cty Oh.
Elizabeth "Bettie" Dye born about 1791 in Va...Nothing known.
Sarah "Sallie" b. abt 1793 in Va. She married Thomas Worthington 7-30-1811 in WCO. He died and then she married James Britton, Sr. He died abt. 12-15-1832
Patience Dye b. abt 1794 in PWC.va married James Cadwell March 24th, 1842 in WCO.
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McCurdy Family
shirley a bentley
unitymarietta@aol.com
Sunday August 08, 2004 00:39:48
Aaron Douglas Mccurdy - 8-11-1865 in Marietta, Ohio D. 11-14-1931. S/O Aaron and Rebecca A. Kinkade Mccurdy.
Married Clara Belle Medley born 1865 in Morgan Cty Ohio d-1-23-1916 in Washington Cty Ohio.
Children:
infant: born 7-15-1892 died same day.
Goldie May born 9-2-1893 in Marietta.
Pearl Louis born 11-7-1895 died ll-18-1934 in Zanesville Ohio.
Lawrence Dean born 4-28-1898 and died 8-30-1963. Married to Martha Bradshaw, divorced.
Ernest born 1898...died same year.
Walter S. born 12-11-1903 in Marietta Twp.died 6-2-1990.
Freda Sylvia born 7-12-1906 died 11-8-1975 Waverly,Wood Co. West Virginia.
Frances Meridith born 12-24-1909 in Marietta Twp.d. 11-17-1978.
Robert born 1913 in Marietta Twp died 1930 Chillicothe Ohio.
Geneva born 1914 died 10-4-1980 in Colorado.
*James Mccurdy l know nothing on him.
Most of family buried in Ft. Harmar cemetery, except
Walter and lst wife buried in Oak Grove Cemetery.
Freda and husband Meeks buried in wood cty w.va.
Frances and husband Clyde McCullick buried in riverview cemetery in Williamstown w.va.
Geneva and her husband Mr. Rode are buried in Colorado.
robert and Goldie have no stone...Goldie's husband was robert smith and they lived in Columbus, Ohio.
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HISTORY OF THE MARIETTA FIRE DEPARTMENT
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Monday August 30, 2004 01:07:37
HISTORY OF MARIETTA
By Thos. J. Summers, B. A.
Illustrated -- Marietta, Ohio
1903 The Leader Publishing Co., Printers, Marietta, Ohio.
Pgs. 140-143
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
The first fire in Marietta of which we have any knowledge was that which consumed “Bowen’s Row” on the north side of Greene street in 1804 or 1805. It was in a very short time after this that citizens organized that was called a “fire brigade,” and every householder kept a leather bucket, and when a fire broke out hastened to it with bucket in hand. Lines of men were then formed between the burning building and the nearest available water supply, and the buckets passed from one man to another. About 1832 the little hand engine was brought to Marietta, and was often employed to advantage during the year that elapsed before a larger one was procured.
In May, 1858, occurred one of the most disastrous fires in the history of
Marietta. It originated in a barn back of the Bank of Marietta, and, spreading rapidly, destroyed the large buildings in front, and made its way up Greene street nearly to Second. Soon after this disaster the Defiance Fire Company was organized and a large hand-engine procured. The engine was known as the Defiance hand engine and remained in possession of the fire department till 1899 when it was sold.
In 1871 the city issued bonds to the amount of $12,000 and immediately bought a steam fire engine at an expense of $7,000. this fund which had been provided by the city
council was found to be inadequate for the purpose of properly protecting the city from fire, and further provision was made from time to time till the city had spent upwards of &16,000 for fire apparatus. The steamer which had been purchase was taken charge of by the Riverside Fire Company, organized by the council and regulated by an ordinance passed by that body.
Till December 1, 1894, a volunteer force manned the department, when a paid crew was put in and the record made since this movement has been such as to prove the wisdom of the step. Six men are constantly on duty in the day time and eight at night, while the chief and his assistant are expected to be present at all fires, the chief managing
also the business of the department. The fire department quarters are in the city hall, and in addition to the quarters two hose houses are maintained. Hose wagon Number 1 is kept at the city hall, and Number 2 on the West Side. About 4,000 feet of hose are available, and Number 1 has a large extension ladder, and two scaling ladders are carried
by Number 2, while each have Babcock extinguishers, trained horses, the Gamewell fire alarm system and other modern devices.
The officers of the Fire Department are appointed by the city mayor, whose appointments must be approved by the city council. The following are the present officers of the Department:
The chief of the Fire Department is Daniel Strauss; assistant, George Bell; driver for No. 1, Joseph O’Neal, for No. 2, Frank Spies; second pipeman for No. 1, Edward Spies, for No. 2, Bert Loury; night man for No. 1, Frank Preston, for No. 2 Joseph Harris; pipeman, Wm. H. Ackerman.
The fire alarm stations for the city are as follows:
12- Third below Greene
13- Fifth and Hart
14- Boiler Works
15- Becker’s Mill
21- Front and Butler
23- Bellevue Corner
24- Putnam and Front
25- Fourth near Butler
26- Chair Factory
31- Second and Wooster
32- Fourth and Washington
33- Scammel and Front
35- Sixth and Wooster
41- Front and Sacra Via
42- Lobdell’s Factory
43- Fourth and Montgomery
45- Sixth and Warren
46- Putnam Place
51- Gilman and Market
52- Clinton and Harmar
53- Knox’s Boat Yard
61- Wood and Fort
62- Putnam and Franklin
Extracted by Debbie Noland Nitsche
July 2004
PHOTOS OF MARIETTA FIRE DEPARTMENT
1825 Marietta’s First Fire Engine “Defiance”
http://hometown.aol.com/washcopics/page31.html
1909 Marietta Fire Dept. (West Side)
http://hometown.aol.com/washcopics/page29.html
1910 Marietta Fire Dept. (East Side)
http://hometown.aol.com/ohwascopics/page25.html
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HISTORY OF THE EARLY NEWSPAPERS IN MARIETTA,OHIO
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Monday August 30, 2004 00:00:36
Ever wonder just how many newspapers were in Marietta, Ohio during the early days?
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/i/t/Debra-Nitsche/FILE/0126text.txt
(Copy and paste this link into your browser)
Key facts taken from: HISTORY OF MARIETTA -- By Thos. J. Summers, B. A. -- Illustrated -- Marietta, Ohio -- 1903 The Leader Publishing Co., Printers, Marietta, Ohio. --Chapter XV - The Press
OHIO GAZETTE AND VIRGINIA HERALD
THE COMMENTATOR AND MARIETTA RECORDER
WESTERN SPECTATOR
THE MARIETTA MINERVA
AMERICAN FRIEND & MARIETTA GAZETTE
MARIETTA GAZETTE
MARIETTA INTELLENGENCER
MARIETTA REGISTER
THE MARIETTA AND WASHINGTON COUNTY PILOT
THE WESTERN REPUBLICAN AND MARIETTA ADVERTISER
THE MARIETTA DEMOCRAT
THE WASHINGTON COUNTY DEMOCRAT
THE MARIETTA REPUBLICAN
MARIETTA TIMES
DER MARIETTA DEMOKRAT
DER BEOBRACHTER
DER PATRIOT
MARIETTA ZEITUNG
MARIETTA LEADER
THE MARIETTA DAILY LEADER
THE MARIETTA DAILY JOURNAL
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TIBER WAY
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Monday August 30, 2004 21:30:11
When I was a small child, in the early 1960’s, my grandparents, Herman and Myra(Farnsworth) Johnson lived at #8, on the 3rd floor of the “Tiber Way” Apartments, which is still standing today, and located on Butler Street in Marietta. During the time my grandparents lived there, it was owned by a Mr. Porter. I think that the rent was only $50.00 a month, if that.
I had many fond memories of visiting my grandparents there. Here is what I remember about the “Tiber Way” Apartments:
The apartment building had 3 floors and took up almost the whole block between Front and Second Streets. This building, had stores and other businesses located on the bottom floor. The ceilings were very high, and the rooms were very big, and the floor had vinyl rugs instead of carpets. The entrance door to each room had a frosted window and the doors to each room had windows above them that you could open and shut manually, but had to walk down a long hallway to get from the living room to the kitchen. On the 2nd floor, you could hang clothes on a clothes line in the hallway. On the 3rd floor, you had a clothes line right out side your apartment, but had to use a pulley on the clothes line to hang your clothes. Once you climbed the long stairs to get from one floor to another, you could smell what each person was cooking in their apartments. Sometimes you would catch a whiff of those nasty moth balls as you were climbing the stairs...Eck!! Believe me.....the staircases to each floor, seemed like it was about 30 steps on each.
I can also remember, Johnny Burke having his barber shop there on the bottom floor. Johnny was well known in the town and was very well liked. He was a good friend of my
grandparents, and my mother and father. Many men (and
women)in Marietta, and through out the whole county went to him to get their hair cut. He was really good with kids, especially when getting their 1st haircut. Johnny had a way about him, to get them to quit crying.
I have always wondered WHY it was named “Tiber Way,” until found a small article about it in the book, History of Marietta. It reads:
TIBER CREEK
At the first settlement, a small creek passed through the southern half of the town and was called “the Tiber.” This stream rose from springs within two miles of the city and for a few years was a steady stream. Over it a substantial bridge was built by the first settlers, which was 90 feet long and 25 feet high, covered with hewn plank four inches thick. Tiber Way was named for this creek.
History of Marietta - By Thos. J. Summers, B. A.
Illustrated -- Marietta, Ohio
1903 The Leader Publishing Co., Printers, Marietta, Ohio. - pg. 312
If anyone has any “memories” they would like to share about “Tiber Way”, go to this website: http://home.comcast.net/~diamonddeb/Index.html
and write your memories for the Newsletter.
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Athens Asylum for the Insane
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Saturday August 14, 2004 02:42:45
Another good place to possibly find a relative who has seemed to of disappeared from the Washington Co., OHIO census is The Athens Asylum for the Insane, later renamed The Ridges in Athens County, OHIO.
I noticed that while I was doing the DEATH NOTICES from the Athens Messenger newspaper, there were quite a few people who were taken there from various parts of Washington County.
The Ridges website is
http://www.forgottenoh.com/Ridges/ridges.html
While visiting this site, don't forget to read the history and the cruel and inhumaine ways they adminstered treatment to its patients.
Southeast Ohio State Hospital - aka Athens Mental Health and Retardation Center, The Ridges, Athens State Hospital
http://www.rootsweb.com/~asylums/southeast_oh/index.html
The Ridges Timeline
http://www.ohiou.edu/~ridges/timeline.html
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W. A. BUCHANAN, M. D.
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Monday August 30, 2004 04:19:23
The History of Edgar County, Illinois
Chicago: W. Le Baron Jr. & Co., 1879
Pgs. 561 & 562
W. A. BUCHANAN, M. D., Paris; was born in Washington Co., Ohio, July 17, 1848; son of Dr. Cyrenius Buchanan, of Lowell, Ohio, who passed away in August, 1877; W. A. obtained a good education early in life and graduated in pharmacy at Ann Arbor, Mich., after which he engaged in the drug business at Marietta, which he continued until 1875, when he availed himself of another course of lectures at the Miami Medical College, of Cincinnati, and graduated; then came to Paris and began the practice of his chosen profession; he is yet a young man, of fine address and good ability, and it is fair to predict for him a brilliant future. On May 1, 1871, he married Miss Florence Boyd, of Clinton, Mo.; they have two children--Charles A. and Edwin B.
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1919 Train Wreck Kills 10 Children & One Adult Near Marietta
Debbie Noland Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Tuesday August 31, 2004 02:08:59
PICNIC AND FREIGHT TRAIN COLLIDE
Marietta, Ohio Aug. 15--An investigation was to be made into the death of ten children and one adult, the probable fatal injury of two others and the slight injury of many others in a collision between a picnic train and a freight train near here yesterday. Some of the children were scalded to death in a steam of vapor.
Iowa City Citizen (Iowa City, Iowa)
August 15, 1919
pg. 1 col. 7
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NEW LINKS
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Tuesday August 31, 2004 15:44:12
NEW LINKS
---- The BUCKEYE BELLE Disaster
---- History of Harmar Lodge No. 390 1867 to 1967 (Lots of early pioneer names)
http://hometown.aol.com/washcohistory/page6-5.html
---- 1875, 1876, 1879 VARIOUS DEATH NOTICES
---- 1880 & 1881 VARIOUS DEATH NOTICES
---- 1882, 1883, 1887 & 1888 VARIOUS DEATH NOTICES
---- 1889 & 1990 VARIOUS DEATH NOTICES
MANY NAMES of various deaths in Washington County, Ohio. Some give the causes of death, bring out skeltons in closets, and tell us if someone has relocated to a different parts of the United States. This also helps with finding family members of people who you don't know the exact date of death or if you don't know what ever happened to an ancestor that cannot be found in the census, and if a child was born and died between census years. This should prove to be helpful because the 1890 census was lost due to a fire.
http://hometown.aol.com/washcohistory/page6-5.html
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CHECK OUT THESE LINKS
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Tuesday August 31, 2004 15:47:52
There are lots of good links that pertain to Washington Co., Ohio. Here are a few that I have chosen for Sept. 2004 Newsletter.
Copy and paste these links into your browser
The Matamoras Area Historical Society
http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~xx173/homepage.htm
OHIO MEMORY - An Online Scrapbook of Ohio History
Click on SEARCH Click on PLACE and type in the words with the quotation marks “Washington County”
http://www.ohiomemory.org/
Digital Shoebox Collections
Click on BROWSE Select the collection from WASHINGTON COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY
www.digitalshoebox.org
West Virginia History - Northern Panhandle
For counties of Brooke - Hancock - Marshall - Ohio
http://www.wvexplorer.com/History/Northern-Panhandle-History.asp
OHIO STATE ( I.G.I. ) VITAL RECORDS Extractions Includes the following from Washington County, Ohio:
Birth Records 1867-1914
Births 1867-1875
Marriage Registers 1789-1918
Marriages 1864-1880
http://hometown.aol.com/washcohistory/LinksOfInterest.html
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WASHINGTON COUNTY MARRIAGES WANTED!!!
Debbie (Noland) Nitsche
Diamonddeb@comcast.net
Monday August 23, 2004 15:52:09
I am in the process of compiling various marriage dates for people who married in Washington County, Ohio from the years of 1830-1920.
If you would like to have any of your ancestors that married in Washington County, that is NOT mentioned on page 5 of the LINKS site, please send them to me ASAP, so I can add them.
I need the name of the groom, bride and date only.
When you email me your marriages, please type in the Subject of the email "MARRIAGES". I will reply to your email, once I get them added. At the bottom of the database, I will include all names of the people who contributed to it.
Thanks in advance for your willingness to help other researchers across the US.
PLEASE SEND MARRIAGES FROM 1830 to 1920 ONLY.
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