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Coding Made Crystal Clear
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Crystal-Clear Coding
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Coding
- Piezogenic
Papule
(Volume
90)
The
Question:
I am looking for a diagnosis code for Piezogenic
Papule - Thank you for your help.
Deb Siverhus
The
Answer:
A piezogenic papule is a
(typically asymptomatic) herniation of fat through the
deep fascia. It produces non-tender lumps on the
marginal sides of the heel, typically only evident
with weightbearing.
They usually only hurt if they extrude a fragment of
nerve with them.
There does not appear to be any specific diagnosis
code.
If symptomatic, I would suggest: ICD-9 782.9
Skin Lesion, Irritated
Rick Horsman, DPM
Coding - Refurbishment
of Orthotics
(Volume
90)
The
Question:
Is there a code for the
refurbishment of orthotics(L3010)?
Thank You,
Cindy
The
Answer:
It's not stated
if she's looking for a diagnosis code, or a procedural
code.
I typically use an E/M code, based upon time,
materials, and complexity. Many would consider
this a non-covered service, and code accordingly.
Rick Horsman, DPM
Coding - I&D
of Abscess
(Volume
90)
The
Question:
Thanks
so much for getting back to us so quickly, I
have another case I would like an opinion on.
Here is a portion of our dictation:
Removed dressings and Iodoform packing and flushed
with sterile saline. Applied saline soaked
Iodoform into the wound, although did not fully fill
up the wound as will let it try to begin to granulate
in, but keep the skin incision open for drainage.
Applied dry sterile dressing after it was repacked.
Pt is to continue with non-weight-bearing, although
she may put some weight on the heel. Fit and
dispensed removable cast to allow more protection and
some ambulation, particularly on the heel.
Reevaluate in 4 days.
Patient is 12 days post-op for right foot abscess.
We are seeing her about every 3-4 days for this
sterile dressing change. How would you bill
this, some say an office visit with modifier.
I would like your opinion. This is taking
several minutes and does not qualify under an E&M
code, the patient is not in the global period for an
I&D.
Thanks,
Deb
The
Answer:
(A
Compilation of two emails from Dr. Horsman)
This is a longer and more complex problem
If the patient is clearly out of the global period...I
don't see anything here other than an E/M. No
other services are billable... at least, not based
upon this documentation.
If it IS within the global, and the patient is
Medicare, it's all free.
I will base my answer on Medicare-- other carriers may
have different policies.
First...The primary assumption is that this patient is
NOT subject to a global period. Assuming 12 days post
op, and how the original services were billed, the
patient is either just out of the global, or still in
it. (They mention leaving skin incision open for
drainage...that sounds like a 90 day global to me.)
Removal of dressing, packing, irrigation, and
repacking. That is NOT wound debridement as
billable by a physician. It's basically a
dressing change. Depending upon medical
necessity, quality of documentation, etc., you could
bill it as an E/M (CPT 9.9212 or 99213.). you would
have trouble supporting billing for this- especially
every 3-4 days
For Medicare, the removable brace would likely also be
a non-covered item (fractures only).
I would look VERY closely at the global period, and
seriously consider (if appropriate and medically
necessary) sharp debridement of the wound.
Hope that clarifies (don't shoot the messenger).
Rick
Horsman, DPM
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Coding
- Physical Therapy
Re-Evaluation
(Volume
89)
The
Question:
My understanding of the Medicare
Physical Therapy Guidelines would allow a podiatrist
to bill the 97001 and 97002 initial and re evaluation
therapy codes, as long as your documentation was
sufficient to back these codes.
Am I correct?
Lois Clauss
Office Manager
Allentown Family Foot Care Prof Corp
The
Answer:
I do not purport myself as an
expert in this matter, but it is my understanding that
podiatrists CAN bill these codes. But it must
and should be emphasized that they will be held to
same high standards of documentation (formal treatment
plan, goals, etc.) as would a PT who received this
patient on their referral.
It is also my understanding that these codes are
intended to be used and billed by the practitioner who
is providing (and billing for) the PT services.
You do NOT use these codes if you are sending the
patient out for the therapy.... you must be doing it
"in-house".
CPT is not as clear in this matter as it might be, but
that is my own best and current interpretation and
opinion
Rick Horsman, DPM
"Coding -
Compartment Syndrome"
(Volume
89)
The
Question:
Could
you please give me a ICD-9 code for Compartment
Syndrome - Dr. says pressure in the calf that
pushes on the nerves and tendons which causes pain.
Could you please E-Mail an answer to us?
Thank you very much for your time,
Alice
The
Answer:
ICD-9 729.9
Compartment Syndrome, NONTRAUMATIC
ICD-9 958.8 Compartment Syndrome,
TRAUMATIC
Rick Horsman, DPM
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Coding
- Hemi-Implant
(Volume
88)
The
Question:
Need
CPT code for this [hemi implant] procedure, can you
help?
SuzyQ
The
Answer:
A
bunionectomy with implant of any configuration
(hinged, hemi, etc) would be CPT 28293.
There is NO CPT code for a lesser MPJ or IPJ implant.
You would have to used the unlisted code CPT 28899.
It is suggested you submit the claim with
documentation, and offer a similar procedure which
DOES have a code, so as to approximate value
Rick Horsman,
DPM
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Coding
- Diabetic Footcare
(Volume
87)
The
Question:
Gayle --
Looking for the new Medicare codes for billing
Diabetic foot care. The url I was given, http://cms.hhs.gov/,
led me to a Medicare site but I couldn't find
anything. Any help you or the list can give me
will be much appreciated. Thanks!
Holly Mollo
Centre Footcare
State College, PA
The
Answer:
Gayle,
I will assume that Molly is looking for policies and
codes for providing routine foot care to persons with
diabetes, with the specific policies for Pennsylvania.
I would direct her to her own Medicare carrier's
website, which should have the latest policies. It
would do her no good to review national policies, when
they are clarified and codified by her own carrier.
If she is asking regarding wound care, same issue, and
same directive.
If asking regarding the diabetic therapeutic shoe
bill, I would direct her to her regional DMERC carrier
website.
As you know, HHS gives national policy directives; but
individual carriers have the authority to determine
exactly how that will be implemented for their states.
That makes a world of difference in required diagnosis
and procedural coding, "linking" of codes,
etc.
Rick Horsman, DPM
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Coding
- Walking Boots
(Volume
84)
The
Question:
Do you know what Dx codes I can
use
to bill with L4360 to be reimbursed from Medicare
properly?
Thank You,
Nicole
Teaneck, NJ
The
Answer:
L4360
(pneumatic walking boot) and L4386 (non-pneumatic
walking boot) have to be billed through DMERC.
They cannot be billed through your regular Medicare
payor. You must obtain a DMERC provider number.
Talk to your local carrier about getting an
application for this. They may direct you to the
national DMERC payor that covers your area.
Codes that have worked in the past have included
917.2, 239.2, 726.90, 755.9, 727.1, 736.72, 726.79,
735.1 & 735.4. In the past DMERC has also
covered cast boots for treatment of diabetic ulcers,
but recently they have come out saying they are going
to be restricting the use for ulcers.
Scott Schroeder, DPM
Wenatchee, WA
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Coding
- Q-Modifiers
(Volume
81)
The
Question:
(from
Volume 80)
Question: Is it necessary to use Q modifiers when
billing for an initial or ongoing convalescent
hospital or office visit?
Thanks again for your help.
Kate Prado
Dr. Mike Prado
The
Answer:
Q modifiers are not required on the initial or
subsequent convalescent visits if you are treating a
covered podiatric medical condition. If the sole
purpose of that visit is to trim or debride nails or
calluses, then the appropriate Q modifiers would apply
to the procedure codes. You should not bill both
a visit code and the nail and/or callus debridement
codes if the sole purpose of the visit was to perform
the procedures. If there is a separate
identifiable diagnosis, then an E&M visit may be
charged. Make sure this is well documented that
these are separate conditions. To make it easier
for reviewers I have dictated these as separate
problems with a SOAP note for each. I do this at
in the office also.
Scott Schroeder, DPM
Wenatchee, WA
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Coding
- Q-Modifiers (Volume
80)
The Question:
Hi Gayle,
I want to tell you how invaluable FootZine is. My
husband and I truly value what you're doing.
Question: Is it necessary to use Q modifiers when
billing for an initial or ongoing convalescent
hospital or office visit?
Thanks again for your help.
Kate Prado
Dr. Mike Prado
The Answer:
Q modifiers ONLY have relevance if you
are providing routine foot care services upon a
patient with applicable risk factors (non-traumatic
amputation-Q7; absent pulses-Q8; softer vascular or
neurologic signs-Q9).
This is true without regard to site of service, or
whether it is for a new or established patient.
If it's not routine foot, don't you DARE use a Q
modifier! Bill it as applicable E/M and/or
procedural codes.
Once you use the Q modifier, you have defined your
services as routine, and are subject to all the
restrictive criteria, documentation requirements, etc.
Rick Horsman DPM
Coding
- "Routine Care" (Volume
80)
The Question:
Hello
Again Gayle,
One more question. I see where a colleague of
mine billed in this manner for a Medicare patient:
1. 99212 modifier 25
2. 11056 (can you tell me what this is?) I
think it might be debridement of nails 1-5
3. 11721 I think this might be debridement of
nails 1-6
Is this within Medicare guidelines? My colleague
bills for subsequent visits on this same patient:
1. 11056 Q8
2. 11721 Q8
Is this ok? Thanks for your help. Have a
great long week end.
Kate Prado
Dr. Mike Prado
The
Answer:
It is suggested that you
review your CPT manual regarding these codes, as these
are fundamental, and very commonly used codes.
CPT 99212 is a minimal office visit for an established
patient. The 25 modifier indicates that the provider
provided some procedural services on the same
visit/date of service.
CPT 11056 is trimming of several hyperkeratotic skin
lesions. These might be corns, or....
CPT 11721 is debridement of 6 or more dystrophic
and/or symptomatic nails (depending upon criteria
established by the carrier)
When these codes are all used together, correct coding
is:
99212-25
11721-59
11056
If they are arguing that this patient warrants these
services based upon absent pulses (which is what the
Q8 modifier is suggesting).... correct coding is:
99212-25
11721-59-Q8
11056-Q8
Since these are such fundamental and frequent issues,
I suggest you review your Medicare carrier's LMRP on
routine foot care, as they may have carrier-specific
criteria for coverage, documentation, and coding.
Rick Horsman, DPM
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Coding
- Diabetic Patients with Neuropathy (Volume
79)
The
Question:
We
see several diabetic patients twice a year for
neuropathy but with no other symptoms. What should we
code this? Any suggestions. Thanks
Linda Casella
Dr. James Dolan
The Answer:
Rick
Horsman, DPM:
The
answer to the question is not as self-evident as it
might seem...and depends upon the reason for the
patient's presentation, and their underlying health
insurer.
If the patient is non-Medicare, and presents without
any symptoms (ulceration, infection, unrecognized
injury, painful dyesesthesia, poor balance and
stability...i.e. there's a LOT of latitude here), some
payers would consider this screening care, and a
non-covered service. Correspondingly, the
documentation must be quite complete so as to support
medical necessity.
In my own experience, such nebulous presentations are
the exception, not the rule. I would bill it as an
appropriate level E/M service.
If the patient is Medicare, the same issue applies...
with the added complexity of the LOPS provisions. In
my own opinion, the level of care provided in
accordance with LOPS is a lesser standard of care than
my patients are expected to receive, and I would avoid
its use.
With an understanding regarding appropriate reasons
for patient presentation, I would carefully document
and support the appropriate E/M. Remember, neuropathic
patients may not "hurt", but have abundant
reason and medical necessity for evaluation, medical
management, and education. Particularly in the
presence of significant neuropathy, the patient may be
in the worst position to determine when to seek
medical care...But it will all fall to the quality of
your medical documentation.
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Coding
- Getting Up To Speed
(Volume
75)
The
Question:
Hi Gayle,
I am returning to practice after a 6 year absence.
I am absolutely mystified as to get a handle on
correct coding. Can you recommend a way to get
up to
speed quickly on the myriad of modifiers and codes we
need to know? Thanks for your great work!
Dr. Mike Prado
The
Answer:
Scott Schroeder, DPM:
I would recommend you spend some time with a local
Podiatrist's billing person. It is going to be
very important for a practitioner to understand how to
code correctly (not just the office staff!). It
will eliminate much frustration for a practice and
speed up payments. McVey has coding seminars
around the country. I know Dr. Ward has spoken
for them in the past and it would be great finding one
of the seminars that is put on by a Podiatrist.
Codingline is another source of great information.
To get up to speed the fastest I would first visit a
local Podiatrist's office and meet with their staff.
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Coding
Hammertoe Corrections
(Volume
75)
The
Question:
Question. I am
still learning the electronic claims billing and would
like to know how to code for hammertoes. Two
were done on one foot and one on the other.
Thankyou.
Debbie McGovern
David McGovern D.P.M.
The
Answers:
Rick Horsman,
DPM:
Each toe operated is separately billable, but you must
indicate to the insurance plan that they are indeed
separate. This is done via digit-specific T modifiers:
T1 for the left 2nd
T2 left 3rd
T3 for left 4th
T4 for left 5th
T6 for right 2nd
T7 for right 3rd
T8 for right 4th
T9 for right 5th
So, if the doctor operated upon the left 2nd and 3rd,
and the right 3rd and 5th, coding would be:
28285-T1
28285-T2
28285-T7
28285-T9
Scott Schroeder, DPM:
In billing hammertoes the T modifiers should be used
to indicate which toe has been operated on. TA=
the left hallux, T1=2nd left, T2=3rd left, T3=4th
left, T4=5th left T5=Right hallux, T6= 2nd right,
T7=3rd right, T8=4th right and T9 5th right.
If you were billing the second and third left toes and
the fourth right one ideally you should be able to
bill 28285-T1, 28285-T2, and 28285-T8 with your ICD-9
code being 735.4 for a hammertoe. Unfortunately,
some insurance companies still want the -59 modifier
on the second and third procedures, so you would bill
28285-T2, 28285-T3-59, and 28285-T8-59. This is
the way we do it in our office and we have had very
few problems.
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Coding
Removable Casts
(Volume
74)
The
Question:
Hi
Gayle,
Here is my question. What L code do other
offices use for a lower leg walker that doesn't have
gel in it and isn't pneumatic? We use the
Equalizer by Royce and we have used the Body Armor
Boot by Darco. For both we used L2112. Any
help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jenny Gilliland
The
Answers:
Rick
Horsman, DPM:
CPT /HCPCS offers two codes:
L4360 Pneumatic walking brace.... they don't care if
it's hinged or not, or gel-padded or not. Medicare
allowance is about $283.74.
L4386 NON-pneumatic walking brace. Again, they
don't care if it's hinged or not, or padded with gel
or not. Medicare allowance is about $127.20
L2112 is a prefab tibial fracture cast orthosis.
Fortunately, they did choose a "prefab" code
(many offices try to use the custom made code, which
is really fraudulent)... but this is NOT what these
devices represent.
If in doubt, they should contact SADMERC, and get
specific direction regarding appropriate coding for
such devices.
I must state that manufacturer's reps are outrageously
wrong in suggesting HCPCS codes.... But remember....if
they are wrong, but you bill it that way.... YOU have
a problem; NOT them.
The alternative is L2999, unlisted lower extremity
orthosis. The disadvantages of that code should
be self-evident
Scott Schroeder, DPM:
In regards to Jenny's question about cast boots, the
HCPCS code that best describes the boots she is using
is L4386.
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