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http://www.myflorida.com/myflorida/government/mediacenter/news/recent_news02/dui_laws.html


The new law will target repeat offenders by increasing penalties for all offenders

"and by increasing penalties for "all" offenders they are sure to get the repeat ones.? Just arrest everyone with a beer because a person with beer killed someone.!?"

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2002/06/10/daily29.html


The new law will target repeat offenders by increasing penalties for all offenders

"Do they just copy the releases from the Gov's office and call it news?"

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2004012916/


Its passage is crucial this session, with millions in federal highway funds on the line.

"Bribery at it's finest. Or would this be more of an extortion thing? Pass a bad law or loose your millions in highway funds."

http://www.whoseflorida.com/misc_pages/naacp_opposes_fdle_appointee.htm


Any person who has involvement in activities which unlawfully advocate or practice the commission of acts of force or violence to prevent others from exercising their rights under the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any state" may be disqualified from holding a security clearance under the President's guidelines. Involvement in such conduct raises questions of a person's allegiance to the United States and its constitutional form of government.

"Unless your a good buddy of a Bush brother."

http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/press_releases/20030826_Tunnell_Appointed.html


The Florida Cabinet today unanimously approved Bay County Sheriff Guy M. Tunnell as Commissioner of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

"Unanimously. Yeah I guess none of those folks in the cabinet think beating blacks to make em close up shop a big deal. COME TO FLORIDA ON VACATION. leave on probation."

http://www.coloradoan.com/news/stories/20030523/news/352905.html


MADD contends national adoption of a 0.08 standard would save 500 lives a year.

"I already mentioned the extortion. But going with Madd's numbers if even a tenth of Sarasota Florida's DUI arrest are wrongfull how many ruined lives would that account for in the entirety of the US?"

http://www.ridl.us/brochure.htm


Over 1.6 million people per year are being arrested and charged on drunk driving charges who are not drunk and not even impaired. 3000 of them commit suicide in jail.

"Heck, they could save 2500 lives a year by minding their own buisness. Sure a real drunk who is too bombed to drive and kills or harms someone should be ass raped. But peoples lives are being ruined here ain't they?"

http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2004/01/10/Hernando/Wheelchair_DUI_case_f.shtml


I was so embarrassed, said Christensen of her court appearance. People were laughing at me. Judge Hyslop said it was the first time he has heard of something like this.

"If MADD, and the driving forces behind the movement have any say it won't be his last."

http://www.ajnascarracing.com/royspage.htm


September 11th occured shortly after Roy and Wendy's accident. Our unit was activted in support of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's Anti-terrorism task force. Part of what we did was travel around the state and support local law enforcment agencies in various ways.

As part of this we all assisted with many,many arrests for DUI. Every single time we said the words "This is for Roy and Wendy". I still spend my time going to court and testifing in these cases.

"Not that I don't feel these peoples pain, but are these the terrorist we are fighting? Our own people? Other Americans?"

http://www.madd.ca/news/n001212.htm


Drunk scooter driver fined

"I mean get real. Where is this going to stop?"

http://www.hsmv.state.fl.us/ddl/duilaws.html


2002 Florida DUI and Administrative Suspension Laws

"For alot of people it stops here. this is where their lives become ruined. Draconian sentences that often take what little money they have saved. Revocations of driving priveledges that often cost them jobs. Probation that further humiliates them while further enriching the county they live in, and allowing more government intrusion into their personal lives."

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/outreach/safesobr/ydydyl/bac.html


There is no formula to determine BAC solely from the amount of alcoholic beverages consumed. BAC levels vary from person to person, and can vary within an individual on a case-by-case basis.

"So even they admit the truth. They just don't care about it is all."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/highway/stories/hwy041398.htm


Together, these statistics suggest that drivers whose blood alcohol would be made illegal under a 0.08 standard account for very little of the drunken driving problem, at least as defined by fatality. (There are no reliable statistics on intoxicated drivers' contribution to accidents in which no one dies.) Lowering the threshold won't get at the heart of the problem, which is the presence of far drunker people on the road.

"And the only reason supposedly we are doing it like this is to act as a detterent. Kinda like a preemptive attack on another country. Arrest before there is a problem. Following this logic we should just arrest everyone, charge them with what the courts "think" they will do, and be done with."

http://www.download2me.com/pictures/breath%20knickers.htm


"And can you blame the guy? Who after all would want to be thrown in jail?"

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/06/Pasco/Frosty_Mug_owner_arre.shtml


Coke stopped his truck at a dead end just past his home and tried to flee on foot, the report said. He was forced to the ground by a deputy and resisted when the deputy tried to use handcuffs, the report said.

"After all, whenever anyone trys to handcuff me I just put my hands behind my back. You start to learn the drill."

http://www.lastcall.org/text/topics/perse.htm


PER SE LAW

"Meaning it doesn't matter if you were drunk or not. Only that your breath had alcohal on it. Hey doesn't BAC mean Blood Alcohal Content?"

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/2036-8134.html


Resolution 423 (I-95)

"Now they want it dropped down to .02? Has MADD been at these guys? Well heck this should make those PER SE laws easier to manage. .02 is less than a drink. Effectively making it illegal to drink any amount and drive. Now who would want to do that?"

http://www.madd.org/activism/0,1056,1606,00.html


Presumptive laws state that a BAC between the numerical threshold and the per se level may be considered, along with other competent facts, in determining whether a person was under the influence of alcohol; however, the presumption is rebuttable.

"Rebuttable. Meaning we Americans who aren't to afraid to take it to court can fight back. Statistically we loose, but hey some of us are getting away with it. Thats why .02 offers so much more. .02 is one drink."

http://www.madd.org/activism/0,1056,4208,00.html


MADD supports the development and use of special minimum-security facilities for incarceration of convicted DUI/DWI offenders with alcohol assessment and treatment programs required as part of the incarceration.

"Minimum-security still sounds alot like jail, or prison, or a concentration camp. And people telling us we cannot drink and drive sounds damnded well unconstitutional. Downright unAmerican."

http://wine.about.com/library/weekly/aa070403.htm


Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

"Heck I'm pretty sure this guy was American. Maybe even a bit patriotic. He is on the hundred dollar bill isn't he? But I guess since he wasn't a president and all."

http://wine.about.com/library/recipes/bl_eg_georgew.htm


Taste frequently.

"But this guy was a president. From the fact he's on a dollar may show what presidents are worth."

http://www.dui.com/whatsnew/bikedui.newhampshire.html


State Sen. Frank Sapareto, R-Derry, said Bradley, whose license had already been suspended three years for a DWI conviction in Massachusetts, actually did the right thing by getting on his bike rather than behind the wheel of a car in the early hours of last July 5.

"So they took this guys license. He decides he doesn't want to spend the fourth of July at home. He rides a bicycle to see the fireworks and gets busted on a deserted road for DWI while operating a bicycle. I'm starting to see a trend here."
http://blogs.salon.com/0001381/2003/01/08.html


During the holiday period, undercover agents went to 20 bars in Reston and Herndon looking for examples of bartenders "overserving" customers. Police ultimately raided three bars and arrested nine patrons who failed sobriety tests. They were charged with public drunkenness and spent the night in jail.

"Oh yes there is indeed a trend here. My guess is they don't want you on the streets or the sidewalks if you have had aything to drink. And since you could possibly get to the bar sober, you would still have to leave it at closing time. Unless you own the bar this would mean no drinking in bars either. Maybe they just want us to get quietly drunk at home. Maybe not."
http://www.seacoastonline.com/1998news/7_9g.htm


Most people we arrest are just up here having a good time," Sullivan said. "Sure, there are some knuckleheads that come up, but most are just regular folks who get a little carried away.

"Then why the heck are you arresting them?"

http://www.motorists.com/ericpeters/archive/demonrum.html


unless the ultimate object is a total ban on all drinking, period.

"But who would want to take away our constitutional rights to have a few drinks much as our founding fathers had envisioned. That old seperation of church and state thing."

http://studentlife.tamu.edu/adep/FACTS/tips.htm


I'm on medication right now and I can't drink any alcohol with it.

"But can't you be arrested for being under the influence of medications as well as booze? These folks aren't advising driving and taking medication are they?"

http://www.madd.org/home/


We’re dads and daughters, sons and uncles, friends and neighbors. And mothers. We’re all ages and from all walks of life. We are many colors with one voice.

"Yeah? So are we. And now that you've succeeded in pushing through these unconstitutional laws alot of us are labeled "Drunks". Well I think it's time we labeled you. I call you unAmerican. I call you unpatriotic. You forget the constitution is for everybody. Your push to deny us our rights shows you have no care for freedom, only in controlling what you can't convert."

http://www.kidlink.org/english/voice/alcohol/


I do not want people to get hooked on drugs or alcohol.

"My tax dollars at work brainwashing kids. Telling them what they have been advertising and selling to us adults is wrong, and bad, and anyone who does it is an addict. You best hope my kid never comes home from school spouting off crap from the NeoNazis or there will be a few teachers with serious worries."

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/outreach/safesobr/13qp/facts/sentencing.html


The increasing problem of jail overcrowding has created the need to develop alternative punishment programs. The lock-em up and throw the key away approach no longer works.

"That approach worked? Haven't we heard that our prisons are overcrowded? Filling to the bursting point with non violent drug offenders? Well at least we know they care. Why else would they be suggesting things like probation, house arrest, and ignition locks if they didn't care? My guess is the money involved but hey who am I to question who owns the companies selling the ideas and devices states buy? Must be nice though for the NHTSA to have a lock on which products get the seal of approval. Bet theres some nice lobbying that goes along with that."

http://www.cohums.ohio-state.edu/history/projects/prohibition/whyprohibition.htm


The prohibition movement's strength grew, especially after the formation of the Anti-Saloon League in 1893. The League, and other organizations that supported prohibition such as the Woman's Christian Temperance Union, soon began to succeed in enacting local prohibition laws. Eventually the prohibition campaign was a national effort.

"Yup, sounds like MADD alright. Didn't they forget prohibition was a huge failure. That bootleggers kept people very supplied. That making it illegal opened a niche market that allowed the Mafia and some other less known groups to gain great wealth. That now consumption couldn't be accounted for because so much of it was now done in "speak easys", where the plain fact the stuff they were drinking kept them from telling how much they drank let alone how plenty of folks went blind from drinking wood alcohol people with no morals would sell to make a quick buck? Yeah thats probably the success story this new bunch is basing their plans on."

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/402.htm


The objection to Puritans is not that they try to make us think as they do, but that they try to make us do as they think.

"Yeah. You said it. If they just passed out flyers instead of passing out laws I'm willing to bet America would be a nicer place to live. Yet they do share the same views as those despicable Islamics. Maybe we are fighting the wrong terrorist."

http://www.radicalparty.org/alcohol/


We firmly challenge, however, the right of the State, of any State, to force by law its citizens to follow a religion and to comply with its laws and its prohibitions.

"Well maybe not all those Islamic rascals are all bad. How can you get mad at a guy who would shoot the shit with you over a drink talking about a subject many in this world kill each other over. But booze is bad."

http://www.wpl.lib.oh.us/AntiSaloon/leaders/educat.html


The most important function of the organized movement against alcoholism is the dissemination of the truth, and the creation, organization and crystallization of public sentiment.

Ye shall know the truth, and the Truth shall make you free.

"So they want to create public sentiment? Well fine. Create away. But how about actually honoring the message of truth. A patriotic political sense and general capacity for service, sounds more like you want people to conform to your viewpoint. Maybe people would be more inclined to service if you weren't making soo many of them criminals in their own communities."

http://www.rwjf.org/programs/npoDetail.jsp?id=EAS


increase the number of admissions, and reduce the number of people who leave treatment in the initial stages.

"So this poser is really just trying to get more buisness? I've read he gives away alot of money. Millions to MADD alone. Wait. He's dead. Did he really want his money spent trying to bring about prohibition again? Or is he still alive?"

http://www.alcoholfacts.org/TemperanceFinancier.html


The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has spent over a quarter of a billion (that's billion, not million) dollars ($265,000,00.00) in just four years alone further developing and funding a nation-wide network of anti-alcohol organizations, centers, activist leaders, and opinion writers to achieve its long-term goal.

"What long term goal is that?"

http://www.promotingexcellence.org/content/rwjf.html


Substance Abuse -- Tobacco, alcohol, and illicit drugs inflict an enormous toll on Americans. Of great concern is the use of these substances among our youth. Our goal is to promote health and reduce the personal, social, and economic harm caused by substance abuse.

"Well I'm not too sure I like cigarettes, booze, and drugs all grouped together. Kinda makes me think they assume all folks who drink have an addiction problem. But the mission statement is worded very nicely. Almost carefully so. Just seems to me if they really cared about the economic harm caused by Alcohol, they would take a look at how many folks end up loosing jobs, money, lives, for a quest of an alcohol free world some of their grantees envision."

"I have to end this. I t could go on and on. It of it's own will starts to fall towards drugs, and many other crimes currently in effect that take away basic rights as guaranteed by the constitution. The seperation of church and state is being breeched, but still to successfully argue a case on constitutional basis you must show a majority of Americans agree with you, so the morality is not against you but rather religious conviction. Alcohol is less morally reprehensible than drugs or prostitution in todays American culture. Gambling has made inroads. I am not an advocate of gambling, drugs, prostitution, driving drunk, abortion or any of a multitude of other moral choices individuals face. It is my contention rather that these are indeed choices for the individual to make, and not a group or groups of influential Washington insiders. I truly feel the laws as they are currently written and enforced do more harm than good."



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