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So, what kind of Engine should you put in a 1967 Mustang, anyway? When
selecting an engine consider the following:
Availability
Weight
and Width
Performance
Bell
Housings
I think you'll see why the small block engines are far better than the
big block for a retro-fit. Go to the Specs
page for help finding and identifying a 351 Cleveland.
Availability
Mustangs have been equipped with 289, 302, 351, 390, 427, 428 and 429
cu. in. V-8's. In 1967, the choice was 289 or 390. There is a message
here. Some of the V-8s will fit without frame or spring tower modifications,
but others won't (easily). The bigger engines (427, 428 and 429)
were all offered in later model years when the body was wider. (The
1967 was 2 inches longer and 2.5 inches wider than the 1966.) The 351-C
was never an option for a 1967, so from the chart, it is not obvious that
it will fit...... but it will, without modifying the shock towers! Be careful.
Don't accidentally get a 351/400M. The deck height of the 351/400M one
inch taller than the 351-C. Because of the V angle between the heads, some
of this height ends up affecting width. The 351/400M is approximately 1.4
inches wider than a 351-C. This will result in a very tight fit!
If you are going to the local salvage yard (Pick-n-Pull) to get an engine,
the top bar in the following chart will help you know what year of Ford
or Mercury to look at based on the engine you are seeking. The lower bar
shows the years the engines were offered in Mustangs. Most Mustangs
have already been ransacked, so try the big Fords, Torinos, Montegos, Rancheros,
and Cougars for the larger engines. I found my 351-C in a 1971 Montego.
Engine Availability
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351C
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400
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351M
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427
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I have not heard or read of a tight installation due to block length,
only width. While you can put a 390 in a 1967, there is really no
need. Next are considerations of weight, width, horsepower. Also keep in
mind that the 351-C is less expensive than the big-blocks, are more readily
available and have more aftermarket performance parts.
Weight and Width
I have seen several different charts on engine weights. None match
exactly. My guess is that is because of the accessories included (or excluded)
for the weight. This table is not exact, but representative. The message
is the same, though. There are great differences between the "big
block" and "small block" engines. The weights below came from Dave Williams
site at http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
. The dimensions for the 302 and 351W came from http://www.therangerstation.com/V8Conversions.html
. You can eliminate about 30 pounds by replacing the stock cast iron intake
with an aftermarket aluminum one. The aftermarket intakes offer other advantages
too. Those are discussed in the 351-Specs
section.
| Engine |
Weight
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Width |
Length |
Height |
| Ford 221/260/289/302 V8 |
460 |
18.75 |
27.5 |
20.75 |
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500
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510
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550
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322
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213
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| Ford 351 M/400 |
575
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| Ford FE 352/390/427/428 |
650
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680
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| Ford 429/460 V8 |
640
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1I measured my 351-C fairly carefully - It is still on the engine stand.
The width is 24" at the manifolds (stock, at time of measurement).
If the exhausts are removed or not considered, the next widest part is
at the upper edge of the heads. I made measurements with the stock
valve covers on. They add about 1/2" overall to the width measurement.
2 The distance in the chart is from the rear of the block to the
front of the stock fan. It is 27.5 to the front of a crank pulley for 2 belts.
It is only 25" to the front of the block itself.
3 The height in the chart is from the bottom of the oil pan to the
carburetor mount top of the stock intake. The stock carburetor adds about
another 6"
Performance
The chart below shows the factory rated horsepower for many of the
engines available from 1964-1979. In 1972 the SAE-Net standard began use
so the ratings changed greatly. Note that the engine may not have changed
at all. The difference is, pre-1972 horsepower was measured at the engine
with no accessories. Post 1972 it is measured at the wheels with all the
accessories turned on, sometimes subtracting 70 HP.
The intent of this table is to show that you need not get a heavy "big
block" engine to turn some good horsepower. You can add a cam, an Edelbrock
4 barrel intake and a Holly 650 onto a 351C-2V and end up with a real powerhouse
that weighs 100 pounds less than the big block engines.
Engine Horsepower
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HP
Engine |
130 |
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Bell Housings
The 351-C has the "small block" bell housing and bolt pattern. So,
you can get one from a 302, 351W or a 300 6 cylinder in an Econoline or pickup,
such as a F-100, F-150, F-250, etc..
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