EPOXY

LARRY ROBINSON ON EPOXY

In an email with Larry, I said I had heard that epoxy can 'melt'. This started a discussion, which follows, where Larry said:

Yes, some epoxies will soften with heat. It becomes less of a problem over time as the material ages. It does not melt, or should not, if the proper resin ratio is used. If the ratio specified in the instructions is not followed, un-reacted resin or hardener will remain after cure, and the product will remain soft, or even gooey.  Different epoxy resins use different ratios.  Nonetheless, conventional epoxies are generally softer than polyester resins.

For this reason, special boat building epoxies have been developed. But why use epoxy in the first place? Advantages: it has greater impact resistance and it does not smell up the house - - very important if you are married. :-)

I should mention that it's difficult to apply an epoxy gel coat to a boat that is made from a mold. Spraying epoxy is difficult to do safely. With time many people become highly allergic to the stuff, and cannot tolerate even the slightest exposure.

Epoxy choices: The common WEST System epoxies are fairly soft. System Three (Seattle, Washington) makes conventional epoxies, but the best choice for boat building is their 'Phase Two' epoxy. In the finished state, it actually consists of two phases at the microscopic level that gives it the desirable properties.

After conventional cure overnight the material is very stiff, but extremely brittle. While still in the mold, it is 'post cured' it at about 140 deg. F for several hours. It's extra work, but the resulting product is very stiff but with a very high resistance to impact. Impact resistance is probably not that much of an issue for the IOM, but it certainly is for the EC-12. Many EC-12s made of polyester have been holed by the bow of another boat. Eighteen pounds of lead has a lot of energy when moving! Tom Jordin at one time made EC-12 hulls that were considered the gold standard of the fleet, using System Three's Phase Two epoxy. It's been quite a number of years now, but to my knowledge, none of his hulls ever suffered a fracture, even after severe abuse. Frankly, this is probably overkill for an IOM, but it would solve the problem of heat softening down in Florida if an epoxy hull is desired and conventional epoxy has not proven satisfactory.

Another choice is vinyl ester. It's like polyester, but a little less brittle to my understanding.

Well, this covered epoxy, but I had also been warned about polyester being soft and also liable to 'melt'. Larry had this to say:

I have not heard of this problem, but polyester is a little soft when green, and becomes increasingly brittle with age. That's why older boats are more prone to punctures. The IOM bow bumper largely eliminates this risk I would think. Nonetheless, I would not want to store a brand new polyester hull (or conventional epoxy hull for that matter) in a car in the hot Florida sun. This is a good way to wreck sails too, as many have sadly found out.

Although less sensitive to improper ratios than epoxy, it is possible that inappropriate catalyst use could have lead to reports of cured polyester 'melting'. If the polyester resin is grossly under-catalyzed in relation to the ambient temperature and lay-up thickness, and it is not well mixed with the catalyst, it may never harden properly. However, if the resin is not outdated, even if it is significantly under-catalyzed, given enough time (perhaps months) it will harden, and the product will be useable.

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05/04/2003