Frequently Asked Questions
This page has been created due to the number of people that have e-mailed us to ask some great tech questions!  
We will organize them when we expand to include more than this one page can handle.

428 Question: Chad and Diane wrote in about a 68 project car

Milt, we recently purchased a 68 GTO that needs restored. We are a little baffled by a couple of things and are trying to find out as much info as possible on this car before we begin the actual restoration. We have been in a great deal of controversy over this car and everyone I have contacted told me to get in touch with you. I ran the VIN and it is indeed a 68 GTO 2 door hardtop. It has a GTO 428 badge on the front grill.  Everyone is telling me this is impossible, that it didn't happen. The research I have done thusfar says that certain GTO motors were swapped at the dealership you used to work for (400's for 428's)  Is this true?  If so, would it be possible that we may have ran across one of these rare machines?  I wonder if you would be able to tell us where to go to find the documentation on such a thing. I would appreciate any input you can give us so that we may get started on this as soon as possible.  Thanks for your time.
 
Sincerely,
 
Chad & Diane Wright

Chad a Diane,
            Thanks for the letter!  I am glad you found us on the internet. 
Now to the questions:
#1)  No 428's, that I know of, were produced from the factory.
#2) Dealers across the country, including Royal, did installations of 428's.
#3) Royal Pontiac did 3 of them.
#4) Documentation would be hard to come-by.  It would probably be a hand written invoice from a dealer.
    It sure sounds like you are very enthusiastic about your passion. Thanks again for contacting us and good luck in your restoration!
 
Milt Schornack
Schornack Racing                                                                                                                                                                                                      2-10-04

 61 Ventura -Dave wrote in about a true classic
Milt,

 

    I am interested in your recommendations for some performance improvements on my car.  Before we get to the details of my car, I have to bore you with a short story.  I promise to make it a condensed version. 

 

    I am 58 years old and have been a Pontiac fan since the 50’s.  My dad bought a new Pontiac in 1955 and as soon as I could drive it, I was hooked on Pontiacs.  I drooled all over a 1960 Ventura all through high school and finally bought it after I graduated.  In 1964 when Pontiac announced the GTO, I read the Car & Driver article on the now “infamous” Royal Pontiac prepared cars and then wrote Royal Pontiac for a price on a Bobcat prepared version.  See the attached copy of that letter that I typed in 1964.  The Royal Pontiac salesman's remarks and answers are written. Unfortunately, I did not purchase one.  I lived in California and made about $1.25 an hour in those days, thus empty pockets and Uncle Sam then asked me to take a trip to Southeast Asia.  No need for a GTO there.  Many years have passed since those days coupled with serious commitments to marriage and raising children.

 

    About two years ago, after deciding that I was not getting any younger, I joined a local GTO Club here in the Atlanta area and started to look for the car that I never owned.  At a club meeting, I got to meet Jim Wangers and share my letter and story with him also.  It was a lot of fun.  Since then I have looked at many GTO’s and full-size Pontiacs, but instead of locating that elusive GTO, I found a car that I had always wanted prior to the GTO.  It’s my favorite (full-size) body style.  I bought a 1961 Ventura with tri-power and a 4-speed.  The car was undergoing a complete mechanical restoration when I bought it.  The engine had just been rebuilt.  I finished the remainder of the rear end and reassembly work and have driven the car about 300 miles.  I plan to drive to local shows and cruises and trailer it to some other shows.  The car is beautiful and it runs good, but I would like it to run stronger.  It’s that affection for the Royal “Bobcat” treatment that keeps grabbing me and that’s where I would like to hear your recommendations.

 

Here’s what I know about the engine (from the receipts and the previous owner):

  • 389 block – bored .030 over
  • Pistons – stock (rebuild receipt reads p/n 711P30)
  • Cam – stock (rebuild receipt reads p/n CS-187)
  • Heads – stock
  • Distributor – overhauled and re-curved for 93 octane fuel (receipt reads: advance begins @ 800 rpm, full advance @ 3,200, mechanical advance 20 degrees, vacuum advance 10 degrees @ 18 in. vacuum.  Set timing at 12-14 degrees)
  • 1964 tri-power and intake manifold (I only know the jet size on the rear carb is 066)
  • 425A exhaust manifolds with 2 ¼ exhaust pipes
  • T-10 transmission
  • Safe-T-Track 3:23 gears

And here's the questions:

1.      Do you recommend the electronic ignition changeover?

2.      What about the jetting on the carburetors?

3.      Is that cam too mild?

4.      What else?

 

My goal is not to turn the car into a complete racer or too radical, but I would like to “feel the power” of a classic Pontiac V-8. 
I appreciate any comments you may have.

 

Thanks,

 
David Persson


Dave,
        Congrats on the ride, I also owned a 61 Ventura. 
Your largest problem is the heads.  You need to do some porting and a larger intake valve.  The studs are weak so be carefull!  You really need screw in studs.  Look into putting a stronger cam as well.  Hold your lift down to .500-.510.  Stay away from solid lifters.  Hydralic lifters will give you a nice driving car.  Put a 3:55 or 3:73 gear if you are looking for accelaration.  You have a big car there and this will improve your holeshot.   Electronic ignition is a great investment.  I think the advance curve you have is too quick.  It should start at 1500 rpm.  We like to plug our advances.  We like to run a total of 34 degrees.  As far as carbs go, you need to read your plugs.  64-66 in the center and front and rear want 066 to 68.  That is depenentant on type of fuel.  Make sure to run your best quality fuel.

Good Luck,
Milt  Schornack
Schornack Racing                                                                                                                                                                                                2-07-04


Electronic Ignition Questions:   Todd wrote in with this great igntion question.

Hi Milt,
With all the 1960s magazine articles about what you and Royal Pontiac did to get better engine performance, you could answer this question better than anyone.  I have a '65 GTO with a 421, tripower, 4 speed, 3:55 rear, headers and a TRUE 10.75:1 compression. It is set up very much like you used to do at Royal as I've followed all those magazine "Bobcat" articles.  My car is for both weekend shows and also to the race track for Pontiac show and race events.  It runs low 13s at about 104 mph. The car runs excellent on both the street and at the track as it runs strong and pulls very hard through the entire 1/4 mile.   Finally to my question, which is about the ignition.  In those old articles, sometimes dual points were installed for better performance. That is what I have in my car now, dual points. I don't get any point float or breaking up at higher rpm's and I don't mind changing them when it's needed.
But, would I see a performance improvement on both the street and at the track if I were to switch to an electronic ignition, from the dual points? (I continually monitor and kept in them in top tune-up condition).   By improvement I mean, would my engine be more fuel efficient, get a snappier throttle response, better and more complete fuel burn, and better performance at both the lower and higher RPM's, .  From things I'm reading about adding ignition boxes that give either a "longer burn" or a "multiple spark", I'm thinking that this motor may have more power that I have not yet been able to get out of it, and I think it may be in the way of an change or an improvement to the ignition system.
 
Can you help, any information and help would be great.
Thanks very much, and I love your website.
Todd


Todd,
        Thanks for all the kind words on myself, Royal, and the website!  I'll try to give you some advise based on several inquires we have had in the past. Several years ago I did try dual points in one of the Royal car that was performing great. One weekend is slowed 2 tenths & 2.5 mph!  I chased that problem for nearly 2 months before I found that one set of points were bad.  When the distributor was checked in a machine everything checked out fine.  I checked each set individually and found one set was bad,  the dwell was still correct!  That day I installed a single point set and returned to the track.  The car ran perfectly!!  I never trusted dual points again. 
        The electronic ignition will give you quicker starts, cleaner burn, and a smoother idle.  All of my customers feedback has been all positive. The other item of concern in the distributor is the advance           mechanism it must be set with precision accuracy.  You would not want to burn a piston.   With the electronic ignition all mechanical advance, (vacuum) is omitted.  This way you know how much timing you really have!  I highly recommend changing your system.  You will not be sorry you did it.
 
Thanks,
            Milt


Heat soak issue
Guy:
    Is this a common problem?My car pulls 6000 rpm when just warmed up...after it is driven for a while it dies like it's running out of fuel at 4500 to 5000 rpm
. Is my Carter super pump heat soaked from heat coming from the block(trick gasket?)?Is there a trick fix to stop this?It does it everytime I run it when its hot.. I did re-rout my line away from the heat of the water pump and thermostat housing. I ran it by over the engine down thru the power steering pump.  I also wrapped the line.

Milt:
      Do you mean a Carter fuel pump? I have not personally experienced the problem that you speak of. I have routed my fuel line like you explain. The other problem you might be having is called perculation. The engine transfers heat to the carb and heats the fuel in the bowls of the carbs. Do you have a riser on your carb? This can be a isolated problem just with your car as well. So many times things happen to one car that do not happen to others. Can I suggest that you look into a electric fuel pump?

Milt