http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/45/30/
Holding the G29 10mm is much like holding the G26 or G27 sub-compacts in that, for a normal-sized hand, there's only room for two fingers below the trigger guard. As with the G26 and G27, the best way to hold the G29 is with the third finger under the magazine's floor plate. The longer magazine of the G30 allows a three fingered hold below the trigger guard.
If you own any of the pre-ban high-capacity Glock .45 or 10mm magazines, they will fit
and work in the correspondingly chambered compact and just stick out the bottom. The
logical way to use such magazines is to carry the gun with a standard ten-round magazine
in place, with one of the larger capacity magazines as your reload.
... they are just dandy for concealed carry in a good holster like one
of the better belt slide, pancake, inside the waistband or shoulder rigs. Glock makes an
injection-molded polymer belt slide holster for its large-framed guns and it works
perfectly for both the new G29 and G30.
How They Shoot
It didn't take much shooting to establish that these are quite accurate
pistols. Since they're designed for concealed carry we did most of our shooting at seven
yards. At that range, shooting groups of five rounds off hand, all or most of the rounds
would be in one ragged hole. Of course, it's hard to come to any significant conclusion
with such a small test sample, but these pistols appear to be every bit as accurate as
their larger brothers.
My major concern with these small but powerful pistols was their
controllability. I enlisted the opinion of several of my shooting friends who represent a
good cross section of the shooting community. They included a deputy sheriff who carries a
G17 as his duty weapon, a highly skilled civilian firearms instructor, a civilian shooting
enthusiast of only moderate experience and a former Special Forces Warrant Officer of
substantial recent military experience with handguns.
After shooting both the G29 with full-power loads (10mm ammunition is
loaded to two levels) and the G30 with service-type ammunition, our group was all amazed
at the low recoil and the easy controllability. Several of us also shot the G30 with
especially hard-kicking +P .45 ACP ammunition and were surprised to find that even that
hot load was reasonably comfortable to shoot and quite controllable. With hot ammo in both
the G29 and G30, the shooter knows that he is shooting something pretty snappy. However,
it's not punishing and recoil recovery is quick.
My personal observation was that with hot ammunition I found either gun
to
be much more comfortable to shoot than a Colt Lightweight Commander with standard GI .45
ACP ammunition. You may question how this is possible. It's possible because of Glock's
engineering genius. There's a special telescoping recoil spring system incorporated into
these pistols that keeps the slide's velocity down as it bottoms out in recoil, thus
reducing the recoil shock to the shooter's hand. Together with the new Glock's low bore
line, comfortably shaped grip and shock-absorbing nature of the polymer frame, the result
is a relatively low recoil sensation.
The single best way I know of to demonstrate or test controllability is
with the application of one of the sound-actuated electronic timers. With one of the
latter I had several experienced shooters fire two or more shots with the new Glocks as
fast as they could while keeping all shots on a torso-sized target at seven yards. After a
little warm-up all of the shooters could fire with split times between shots of less than
0.20 of a second. That speed will deliver six shots in one second and that's more than
satisfactory in my book. My pal Richard Daniel, who's fast and accomplished with the Glock
short trigger reset, was able to get split times down to 0.14 second. That corresponds to
a rate of fire of eight rounds a second! There's no question that these new Glock models
are highly controllable.
... You can see in the table, the velocity difference with this load
between the
G21 and the G30 was only 33 feet per second (fps). This was a pleasant surprise. I have
seen bigger differences between the same ammunition fired in the same gun.
http://www.areguns.com/rDetail/797.html
I find the G-30 to be more controllable than my G-21. Loaded with lighter bullets to make up for the lost velocity of the shorter barrel the G-30 performs as well as a full size within 30 yards.
http://www.areguns.com/rDetail/587.html
Rugged, compact, easy to maintain, combat accurate, simple to operate, ten rounds of 45 ACP and it can accommodate the magazines of its larger cousins. What more can you ask for? Have had one for 15 months. And every now and then I wonder if I made the right choice. It ain't a pretty gun. But it will stand up to the elements more than any other gun I know. The Sig has a nicer trigger. But is less rugged over time than the Glock, IMHO. The HK looks cool and shoots nicely, but I value the simplicity of the Glock over all the doodads and options on HKs. Anyway, the more I think about it, the happier I am that I went with the Glock 30.
http://www.areguns.com/rDetail/104.html
I have owned this gun for two years and am very satisfied. Combat accuracy and .45 power in easy to carry small package. Grip extension makes fit perfect. Also upgrade to tritium night sights and rubber or decal grips if you shoot a lot.
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Posted by 132 on 01-23-2003 07:16 PM:
I have both guns and they are both excellent. I have certainly found a place for the G36 due to it's compactness and slim lines for concealed carry in certain situations. The G30 though, has stepped somewhat to the head of the pack for me due to the versatility of using 9/10/13 round magazines, depending on the assignment. Concealment in most situations is also not any more difficult than the G36, and in my opinion, I can shoot the G30 as accurately as I can my G21. Therefore, although I like all of the 45 Glocks, the G30 stands out as the best overall option, at least for me.
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Posted by DannyR on 12-27-2002 08:19 PM:
A NY1 Trigger spring combined with a 3.5# connector gives a nice, smooth 6# pull. A stock spring with a 3.5# connector gives a lighter 4.5# pull. The first 3/8 inch of travel releases the firing pin safety. The last 1/8 inch of travel is the actual trigger engagement with the connector.
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Do G21 13-round mags in G30 fit flush???
Posted by Willard on 12-20-2002 09:00 PM:
No, they don't fit flush. Only the 9-round G30 mags fit flush. The 10-round G30 mags
stick out about 1/2 inch. The G21 13-round mag sticks out about 1 1/2 inches. There is a
sleeve available for the 13-round mag, that basically fills the gap between the grip and
the bottom of the mag. It looks fine and works well.
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Posted by G33 on 12-21-2002 11:01 PM:
A&G makes the adapter for the mag
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Posted by P-990 on 12-24-2002 03:52 PM:
wuznme,
The 10 rounders in the G-19 are post-ban mags, neutered if you will. The 15 rounders are the ORIGINAL capacity mags that the 19 was designed for. I have shot my friend's 19 with the 10 rounders from my 17, and they stick out about 1/2-3/4". I can't use his 15 round 19 mags in the 17 because they are too short. BUT, he can use any of my 17 mags because they are plenty long enough to seat properly. By the way, you can use ANY 17 or 19 magazines in a 26. The 30 was designed after '94, and thus was designed to be as small as possible and still hold 10 rounds of .45 ACP (legal limit on new manufacture magazines).
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Posted by JDaveG on 12-11-2002 11:07 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by IGlock30
The fuss about 3.5 lb. connectors originates mostly from M. Ayoob, who
has argued that if you are sued civilly following a shoot, the plaintiff's lawyer will
attempt to show that your shoot was an accident. If you shoot intentionally, that's a
tort, and your homeowner's insurance won't pay off on a tort. But the insurance usually
covers accidents in which you were negligent.
If I may pick a few nits here:
Either way it's a tort. The difference is, assault and/or battery is an
INTENTIONAL tort. Negligence is an unintentional tort. Liability insurance policies
usually do not cover intentional torts, but they almost always cover negligence.
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Posted by quantico on 12-12-2002 03:54 AM:
The Glock 5.5 lb. stock trigger is actually closer to 7+ on a trigger
pull gauge. The 3.5 lb. connector is closer to 5.25 lb. when I have tested Glock's on a
good trigger pull tester..... I don't find a 3.5 lb. 1911 pull too light on a carry gun...
so the Glock is still plenty heavy even using the ----- part.
http://glocktalk.gunserver.com/showthread.php?threadid=118714
Posted by Eddie C. on 12-16-2002 08:40 PM:
brogers,
If you go back over some threads you'll see that many, many shooters
have the same dilemma that you are faced with including yours truly. We think that because
the 21 has a longer sight plane and barrel we should shooter much better and the guns
should be inherently more accurate than it's shorter barreled sibling. Not so it seems.
Even Massad Ayoob said the same thing in his columns on his favorite Glock to carry, the
G30. He said it might have something to do with us unconsciously holding the gun tighter
because of our anticipating greater felt recoil or it might have to do with the stiffer
shorter barrel not flexing as much when shooting. Other than that he really could offer no
other reason for this unlikely fact.
-- Eddie.
http://glocktalk.gunserver.com/showthread.php?threadid=120793
Re: G30 or G21?
Simple answer, get the G30 first, and if the budget allows, get both.
You simply cannot go wrong with either, but it's been my experience that the G30 is
without question, the most accurate Glock, and for the calibre, the most concealable. All
Glock models are fantastic, but the 30 shines above all as Gaston's Crowning Achievement.
http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/humanengineering.html
Yet, the real issue has nothing to do with large magazines. Instead,
it has everything to do with getting hits, quickly and accurately. In order to accomplish
this critical requirement, the gun's grip angle and thickness must be compatible with the
shooter's hand. It's that simple.
Stocks, too, influence this requirement and should be examined
carefully before installed on your piece. Regardless of what material they might be made
from, if they increase the thickness of the grip frame area or make the grip angle more
vertical, they should be avoided. Large-framed guns, although more controllable, are
noticeably slower to bring into action, whereas a medium framed piece would provide faster
presentation and would also be less fatiguing if carried for long periods of time.
If you opt for a sub-compact self-loader, but sure that it has a
magazine extension to allow the little finger of the firing hand to be properly placed.
Otherwise, control suffers greatly ... too greatly to be justified on the basis of
concealment needs alone.
http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/questionsandanswers.html
Q: Dear Mr. Taylor,
I was wondering what you think of the Glock 21 and 30 (.45 ACP) as
personal defense weapons. What kinds of situations would one be better than the other? I'm
debating between these two as my primary defense pistol. I really appreciate your input
and knowledge.
-- Kenneth Sham
A: Dear Kenneth,
I often carry a Glock 30 for personal defense due to its compactness
and the fact that because of it I can grasp the gun with reasonable comfort.
Unfortunately, the Glock 21 is so large that this isn't the case, a situation that I've
found common with about 19 out of 20 people. Thus, my vote goes to the Model 30.
Interestingly, I've also found the M30 to be exceptionally accurate, even to the degree
that I've been able to hit clay pigeons regularly at 75 and even 100 meters with it. Such
accuracy could come in handy, especially if it's obtained with no sacrifice in functional
reliability.
Q: I would like your opinion on the Glock Model 30 .45 ACP. I already own Glock Models 22
and 23 in 40 S&W and have a high degree of confidence in them. Do you feel that the
.45ACP cartridge is superior enough to the .40 S&W to warrant my trading them for a
M30 or should I not worry about it?
A: While the Glock Model 30 is indeed a potent little weapon, it should not be considered
a service pistol. In fact, it's more of a compact like your Model 23, which means that,
due to it's abbreviated size, configuration and shorter sight radius, it's tactical
capacity is somewhat more specialized than the full-sized Model 22.
Regardless of the fact that the .45 ACP is more powerful than the .40
S&W, it should also be said that the .40 isn't exactly a slouch, either! Thus, plus
the fact that you have confidence in your two Glock .40s, leads me to recommend that you
stay with them in preference to the Model 30 .45 ACP -- unless, like me, you simply like
guns and want to add a Model 30 to your armory. That's as good a reason as any!
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2000/18Dec00.html
18 Dec 00
>From my friend who made the original comment:
"While proper maintenance may keep a SIG running just fine through
fair weather and foul, no maintenance at all and even outright abuse are unable to keep a
Glock from functioning normally. And, while I have neither the data nor the desire to
persuade anyone to forgo their favorite weapon, I do think that information like mine,
even though anecdotal, should be taken in good faith and at least go into the hopper when
one is trying to make an informed decision."
Lesson: It's important to distinguish between (1) reliability and (2)
durability. All firearms benefit from a competent maintenance plan at both the user and
the armorer level. I would surely not recommend neglect of any defensive firearm. How
maintenance sensitive a particular firearm may be is a subject of lively debate, as we all
can see.
Durability is a much more important issue. Guns with durability
problems frequently break critical parts no matter how competent the maintenance program.
This is a bad thing, because it is out of the control of the owner. Guns with serious
durability problems are far less desirable than are those which can be said to be
"functionally durable."
The other important element in the equation is the reputation of the
particular manufacturer for taking care of its customers. I've seen every species of
defensive firearm break parts at one time or another. When the factory immediately fixes
the problem with no questions asked, they score big points with me!
/John
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2001/25Feb01.html
25 Feb 01
Compact pistols:
During a program in Oklahoma City last weekend, my Glock-36 developed a
spring problem.
The pistol uses a captured, double-concentric, recoil spring system, as
do many compact, autoloading pistols.
After a number of students used the pistol in a stoppage drill (in
which pistol get slapped around a good deal), I noticed that the slide was not moving
normally.
When we field stripped it, I discovered that the larger of the two,
concentric springs had slipped out of its alignment sleeve. The premises gunsmith was able
to fix it, and the gun was returned to service right away. My friends at Glock, whom I can
always count on, instantly replaced the part, although I don't think it was necessary.
The lesson here is that one pays a price when he selects compact
autoloaders. The G36 is delightful to carry. It may not be much slimmer than a G19, but I
can really tell the difference as I carry it in my Elderton IWB holster.
However, it may be that double, concentric recoil spring systems are
not as inherently reliable as single spring systems found on full-sized autoloaders.
Comfort and compactness comes at a price!
/John
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SENEN NIEVES Plebe Posts: 6 (9/3/02 2:47:53 am)
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Which round would perform better out of a Glock 30?
Hi guys, I would like to know your opinion, on which round would
perform better out of a Glock 30, the Winchester Ranger 230 or the 230+P?
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DDiFabio ezOP Posts: 1694 (9/3/02 2:11:03 PM)
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Re: Which round would perform better out of a Glock 30?
Either round should be fine, my personal preference is for the +P as I
usually see slightly better expansion from it.
Think, Plan, Train. Be Safe. Thanks. David.
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DDiFabio ezOP Posts: 1491 (7/29/02 12:32:42 PM)
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Re: .45 ACP in a Glock.
I like the idea of a strong lightweight high capacity 45 pistol but
unfortunately experience with Glock 45s over this past year has shown me a lot of blown
guns.
Whereas the 10mm G20 and G29 has quite a bit more chamber support it
seems that to get the relatively thick and stubby 45 loads to feed Glock has had to remove
a lot of metal at the chambers mouth and when weak brass or higher pressures are
encountered trouble starts.
The G21 and G30 do not usually Kaboom right away. It seems to take a
while for the chambers to foul and then the Glock design allows the pistol to fire
slightly out of battery as the thick 45s do not feed completely into the fouled and dirty
chambers then KABOOM! happens. It has happened enough over this past year that I will no
longer allow Glock 45s in any of the classes that I host or they must be using a Barsto or
Jarvis barrel and new factory ammo.
Think, Plan, Train. Be Safe. Thanks. David.
[Marc's Comment: So clean the chamber! D'uh! Massad Ayoob, Chuck Taylor, John Farnam, and
Larry Johnson all seem to be able to have their students successfully use Glocks in .45
ACP. Chuck Taylor even carries a Glock Model 30 in .45 ACP as his personal weapon. Along a
similar vein, those who shoot cast lead unjacketed bullets in their Glocks assume a
certain risk of lead buildup and potential blown case head Kaboom! in their pistols.
Again, clean the chambers often and thoroughly.]
From "The Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery, 5th Edition", by Massad Ayoob, Krause Press, 2002, ISBN 0-87349-485-7, $22.95, page 27.
'The "baby .45," the Glock 30, combines the best of both these worlds and may be the most accurate pistol Glock makes. My Glock 30, factory stock with NY-1 trigger and Trijicon sights, has given me five-shot, 1-inch groups at 25 yards with Federal Hydra-Shok and Remington Match ammunition.
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