Andrew Shuck was born estimated 1733 and died between March and May of 1803 at Shelby County, Kentucky. From about 1760 to 1783 he and his family lived in the area of what is now Shepherdstown, Jefferson County, West Virginia and then migrated to Shelby County, Kentucky with a cooperative group of families collectively known as the Low Dutch Company. His wife's name was Margaret (per Andrew Shuck's 1803 will ) and ten children are named.
Andrew Shuck's parents, his origin in Europe and his initial residence in America are NOT known. Any such claims are speculative and unproven. Family legend is that he came from the Rhine area of Germany via port of Rotterdam. Keep in mind that, at the time, "Germany" did not exist and instead consisted of independent principalities and states. Another family legend is that he was of Dutch origin. However, other Shuck/Shook/etc. families have been shown to be German, the surname "sounds" more German to me (especially compared to the known Dutch families he associated with) and that legend may have come from his association with the Low Dutch Company and those families.
Various stuff is presented as fact about Andrew Shuck and his family in various places around the internet and elsewhere. Much of it is speculative, guesswork and unproven, including even recently-posted stuff. Conversely, a bit of it has turned out to be consistent with prior reportings of which a few underlying source citations are slowly emerging. Note specifically that in March of 2013, someone created an entry for "Andrew Schuck" at Findagrave.com. The "information" claimed for him presented there as fact is speculative, guesswork, unproven and just wrong. As of December 2013.
Also, in reading this page and in researching the family, be acutely aware of the changes in names and boundaries of the locations involved. This is very confusing and all too much of the stuff reported about the family, their migration and their events mixes the locations. Generally, the event should be reported exactly as the name of the location as it existed at the time of the event. That is the standard for genealogical research. Where feasible, I will note parenthetically the current name of the area and hopefully make it clear which is which. I may also be repetitious, to emphasize the distinction.
The information on this website is the latest available which has at least some underlying evidence. If anyone can prove corrections or additions, please forward.
Andrew Shuck presumably immigrated to America (i.e. not born here), probably at some early age (i.e. infant to 15), but date and ports of departure and entry not known. His name is not found on known ships' passenger lists. Early settlement and migration path is not known. Marriage record not found; his wife's name of Margaret is from his will. The first tangible evidence found shows that the family lived in what is now the Shepherdstown area (now Jefferson County, West Virginia) from 1760/1762 to about 1783 prior to move to Shelby/Henry County in Kentucky to join the Low Dutch Company. The area was and is known as Pack Horse Ford (a crossing on the Potomac) and in 1760 the nearest town was called Mecklenburg, later renamed Shepherdstown, in then Frederick County, Virginia. The tract of the Low Dutch Company was located half in Shelby and half in Henry County. In 1760, Andrew would have been about age 25-30 with one or two infant children (Hannah and Mathias). In his Revolutionary War pension petition, Mathias Shuck said he was born in 1759 in New Jersey, but didn't remember the month.
What follows in the next three paragraphs is pure speculation but may provide some hints for future research. I have not attempted significantly research of the early migration of Andrew Shuck However, based on very superficial circumstantial information, I think it is more likely that Andrew and/or his parents may have come from one of three states or regions that happen to adjoin roughly east-west: Rhineland-Palatinate (Rheinland-Pfalz in German), Wüerttemberg or Alsace. Switzerland borders to the south. Rhineland-Palatinate would be consistent with family legend and was known as the source and origin of substantial immigration at the time. Wüerttemberg is where the family of the Shuck's from the 1749 voyage on the Albany and is separated from the Palatinate by the Rhine River. There are naming similarities there. These two states are in modern Germany, which was founded in 1871. There have been some reports of Shuck's in Alsace and I have seen it included as a speculative origin of the Shuck's. Alsace is separated from the Palatinate by the upper Rhine. Over the centuries, control has shifted as a result of the various European wars. From 1674 to 1871 Alsace was under control of the Kingdom of France. While French was the official language, Alsatian, a Germanic dialect, and German were tolerated. Comment from Wikipedia - Alsace
"Between 1671-1711 Anabaptist refugees came from Switzerland, notably from Bern. Strasbourg became a main centre of the early Anabaptist movement."Since 1945 Alsace has been a region in France and is usually mentioned in conjunction with the Lorraine region as Alsace-Lorraine.
Andrew Shuck and/or family may have followed the Rhine to the port at Rotterdam. However, there is also a possibility that they first went to England, then sailing from London some time later. They may have arrived at New York, where records of those ships have not survived. Andrew's family were possibly of the group known as the "Pennsylvania Dutch" who were not from Holland, but were actually German or "Deutsch" which word was corrupted into "Dutch." German origins are also consistent with their migration to Pack Horse Ford, Virginia, which was a predominantly German settlement at the time called Mecklenburg before being renamed to Shepherdstown. More discussion following. (Note that in the following discussions, the "Low Dutch" were actually Dutch, coming from the lowlands area of Holland. Andrew's family somehow became acquainted and associated with them at Shepherdstown.) See German Migration Information and Links which includes a good, brief recap from Wikipedia.
Possibly in New Jersey by 1759. Possibly associated with German or Dutch (Low Dutch) communities at Somerset Co., New Jersey; Bergen Co., New Jersey; Conewago, York (now Adams) Co., Pennsylvania; or Berks Co., Pennsylvania. However, no records or evidence supporting that association have been found prior to Shepherdstown, so this is, again, speculative. May have been associated with an anabaptist group in Germany and/or America. More about that later.
Various scattered printed materials and internet websites contain myths, conflicting claims, errors and information needing clarification. This is a brief synopsis.
With remarkable consistency for the time, most records spell this family's surname "Shuck", particularly after 1850. Some occasional, mostly early spelling variations found are: Shoc, Shuc, Shucks, Shough. "Shock" has been found in a secondary publication.
The family migrated to Pack Horse Ford, Frederick Co., Virginia (see geography discussion below) about 1760 where they lived until after the Revolutionary War (1776-1783). This area is (2006), after various name, jurisdiction and boundary changes, Shepherdstown, Jefferson County, West Virginia. (Detail discussion follows.) This is the first location where we have any primary evidence of Andrew Shuck. This area was home of one of the later Low Dutch Colonies, consisting of people who migrated from the Dutch Colonies in Pennsylvania. We do not know if Andrew Shuck may have been first associated with one of the Low Dutch groups previously or was first associated with a German group, possibly the "Pennsylvania Dutch" who were actually German.
"Andrew Shoc" and "Mattis Shuc" signed ca. 1783 as "intend frinds" a petition by the Low Dutch Company to the Continental Contress asking for a grant of a tract of land in Kentucky. The petition was not dated, but it was reported by a committee of the Continental Congress on September 27, 1783 where it was denied. Andrew Shuck's last personal property tax record in Berkeley Co. (formerly part of Frederick Co. until 1772) was in 1783.
It is known that Andrew eventually migrated 1784-1786 with the Low Dutch Company of Shelby Co., Kentucky where he died 1803 between March and May (will). Was in Mercer County Kentucky initially ca. 1784-1786. Attempts by the Company to settle in Shelby County were thwarted by Indian attacks, so the settlers had to move back to the protection of the forts at Mercer County and other places until the situation was resolved. Marriages of most of Andrew's children have been found from 1784-1802 at Lincoln, Mercer, Marion and Shelby Counties, Kentucky. It appears that Mathias may have stayed behind in Virginia, possibly as late as 1793 as personal property tax records are found for him at Berkeley Co. 1785-1793; 1794 was when the actual, more permanent Low Dutch settlement began.
Conewago was a settlement in Pennsylvania that began as early as 1765 as a colony of "Low Dutch" pioneers. They adopted the name "Low Dutch" to distinguish themselves from the neighboring "High Dutch" or Germans and to signify that they had come from the low countries of Europe. It was located near present-day Gettysburg in what was then York County. The area was separated into what is now Adams County January 22, 1800. Beginning about 1769 and continuing through the early 1770's, several families moved from Conewago to the area near present-day Shepherdstown. The distance was about 40 miles. These families included Carnine, Duree, Demaree, DeBaun, VanArsdale and Voris (Voorhees). A number of them served in the Revolutionary War. In addition to these Low Dutch, the area also had a large German population; until 1798 Shepherdstown was named Mecklenburg, after the area in Germany. There was a congregation of German Baptist Brethren at Antietam nearby. (See more later.) Undoubtedly, it was at Mecklenburg/Shepherdstown that Andrew Shuck became acquainted with the Low Dutch Company pioneers. We do not know where Andrew lived before Mecklenburg/Shepherdstown. There may have been some chance he came from Conewago which also had a German Baptist Brethren congregation, but also some other German settlement in Pennsylvania or New Jersey.
Andrew's Virginia residence requires some historical discussion to make sense. In about 1760 the family moved to what has been referred to as Pack Horse Ford, Frederick Co., Virginia. "Pack Horse Ford" was, and still is, a natural "ford", or crossing, on the "South Branch" of the Potomac River (aka Wappocomo River) and hosted one of the earliest settlements in the area. The natural springs and absence of flooding attracted various skilled artisans to the area. In 1734, Thomas Shepherd was granted 222 acres and selected 50 acres to lay out a town. He named that town Mecklenburg after the town in Germany, reflecting the area's German population. The Mecklenburg settlement was about one mile away from the Ford. Shepherd petitioned the Virginia Assembly for a charter which was granted in 1762 when the town was still in Frederick County. He was the sole trustee, owned the town and conducted its government until his death in 1776. In 1772, Berkeley County, Virginia was created from part of Frederick County, Virginia and Mecklenburg was in the part that became Berkeley. By 1776 at the time of the American Revolution, the town of Mecklenburg had 1000 inhabitants. It was probably about 1783 that Andrew Shuck and family (except, apparently, for Mathias) left the area for Kentucky. In 1794, a second charter was granted by the Virginia Assembly and in 1798, the name of the town was changed to "Shepherd's Town" (from Mecklenburg). In 1801 Jefferson County was created from part of Berkeley and Shepherd's Town was located in that new county. In 1863, Jefferson, Berkeley and other counties formed the state of West Virginia in sympathy with the North during the US Civil War; Frederick County remained in Virginia. In 1867, the town's name was officially contracted to Shepherdstown. So, the area where Andrew Shuck settled is now (2006) known as Shepherdstown, Jefferson County, West Virginia, but, for purposes of future research, Pack Horse Ford/Mecklenburg/Shepherdstown records may also be located in Frederick County, Virginia (1734-1772); Berkeley County, Virginia (1772-1801); Jefferson County, Virginia 1801-1863; and Jefferson County, West Virginia 1863-present.
Timeline recap of Shepherdstown history:
"A map of the most inhabited part of Virginia containing the whole province of Maryland with part of Pensilvania, New Jersey and North Carolina. Drawn by Joshua Fry & Peter Jefferson in 1751, published by Thos. Jefferys, London, 1755. This landmark map, unusual in that it relied on firsthand surveys, is the first correct depiction of the Allegheny Mountains, complete with 'The Great Road from the Yadkin River thro Virgionia to Philadelphia distant 455 Miles' - an accurate survey of what would come to be styled the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road."
I cannot find Mecklenburg on this map. Frederick Town is shown.
Extract from Wikipedia:
The Great Wagon Road was a colonial American improved trail transiting the Great Appalachian Valley from Pennsylvania to North Carolina, and from there to Georgia.
Beginning at the port of Philadelphia, where many immigrants entered the colonies, the Great Wagon Road passed through the towns of Lancaster and York in southeastern Pennsylvania. Portions of the Great Wagon Road traveled to present-day Mechanicsburg, ab out 30 miles (48 km) northwest of York. Mechanicsburg derives its name from the many mechanics who set up shop there to do business with the numerous wagon trains traveling through town.
Turning southwest, the road crossed the Potomac River and entered the Shenandoah Valley at Winchester, Virginia, continuing south in the valley via the Great Warriors' Trail (also called the Indian Road, as on this map), which was established by centuries of Native American travel. The Treaty of Lancaster had established colonists' rights to use the Indian Road. The Shenandoah portion of the road is also known as the Valley Pike.
b. ca 1733 poss. Rhine Germany
d. 1803 Shelby Co., KY
m. ca 1754 Margaret
b. Rhine Germany
d. 01 JAN 1820 Shelby Co., KY
Children: Mathias (Mathew), Sarah (Sally), Magdelena (Helena), William, Margaret, Hannah, Cornelius, Andrew Jr., Mary (Polly), John.
Source: The data for this family is predominantly drawn from "The Descendants of Andrew Shuck of Kentucky" section by Martha Miller as published in "Shuck; Shock; Shook; Schuck; Schock; Schook; Schug; Schuh; Shough ..." by Larry G. Shuck (1990).
Some sources attribute Agnes and Anna as daughters of Andrew Shuck. Researchers currently believe they were not part of this family.
1733e Estimate of Andrew's birth year 1749 Ship passenger list Albany - not known if relevant 1755e NJ? Estimate of year of Andrew's marriage (would be abt age 21/25) 1756 NJ? Hannah, d/o Andrew born 28 Nov 1756 (tombstone at Danville, Boyle Co. KY) 1759 NJ? Mathias, son of Andrew, claims born in NJ; can't remember month from Rev. War Pension App. 1760e VA Est - Andrew and family migrate to Pack Horse Ford, Frederick Co., VA now known as Shepard's Town, Jefferson Co., WV 1761 VA Frederick Co. - Sarah Shuck, dau. Andrew/Margaret born * Proof? ANY record of their presence in 1761? 1762? VA Frederick Co. A record may exist showing the Shuck's but haven't found 1763 VA Frederick Co. (presumed) - Mary Magdelena (Helena) d/o Andrew born 1765 VA Frederick Co. (presumed) - William "Billy" s/o Andrew born 1767 VA Frederick Co. (later Berkeley 1772) - Margaret d/o Andrew born 1772 VA Berkeley Co. - created from the northern third of Frederick Co. VA New Berkeley includes Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown) and Pack Horse Ford 1772 VA Berkeley Co. (presumed) - Cornelius s/o Andrew born 1773 MA Boston Tea Party 1774 VA Jefferson Co. (now Shelby Co. KY) - Low Dutch purchase of 10,000 acres 1775 VA Berkeley Co - Andrew Shuck, son Andrew/Margaret born (IGI Fo/Li: 1772/1805) * 1775 -- Revolutionary War begins : April 19, 1775 1778 VA Berkeley Co. (presumed) - Mary "Polly" d/o Andrew born 1779/82 VA Berkeley Co. (presumed) - John S. s/o Andrew born 1779 VA Berkeley Co. - March, Samuel Duree led scouting party to Kentucky 1780 VA Samuel Duree from Mecklenburg (now Shepherd's Town) and Henry Banta from Conewago led the 1780 migration to Kentucky in two groups 1780 VA Original "Kentucky Counties" formed in Virginia from "Kentucky County": Jefferson, Lincoln and Fayette Jefferson County Seat was (and is) Louisville Lincoln County Seat was (and is) Stanford Fayette County Seat was (and is) Lexington (By 1792, these three had been subdivided into eight (nine?)) Exact date? 1780 ?? ??? First child to marry - place unknown (est Mary Magdalena Shuck/H.Duree) 1781 VA ??? Mathias Shuck (s. Andrew) enlists Rev. War. Pension file # S14436, Nat. Archives 1781 VA Jefferson Co. (now Shelby Co.) - Long Run Massacre: Squire Boone's Painted Stone Station near what is now Shelbyville; Long Run Creek 1782e VA Berkeley Co. ? - Estimate of Mathias Shuck marriage, prob. Berkeley Co. VA (now WV) 1783 -- Revolutionary War officially ends : September 3, 1783; Peace of Paris 1783 ?? LDC Petition to Congress, signers include Andrew Shoc, Mattis Shuc as "intend frinds" Petition was not dated, but was reported by a committee of the Continental Congress on September 27, 1783. 1783 VA Berkeley (was Frederick) Co. - Andrew Shuck last personal property tax record Berkeley Co. VA 1784 VA Nelson Co. (now KY) separated from Jefferson, significantly reducing the latter. 1784 VA Lincoln Co. (now KY) - Danville, now Boyle Co. - Sarah "Sally" Shuck marries H.Banta : First child known to marry in KY 1785 VA Jefferson Co. (now KY) - Margaret Shuck marries Perry Tharp (bond Dec. 13; marriage Dec. 24) Surname spelled "Suck"; FamilySearch.org indexes as "Such" 1785 VA Berkeley (was Frederick) Co. - Mathias Shuck personal property tax records Berkeley Co. VA (1785-1793) 1784 VA (now Shelby Co. KY) - Low Dutch tract divided 1786 VA Mercer Co. formed from Lincoln, County Seat Harrodsburg 1786 VA (now Shelby Co. KY) - Low Dutch settlers return to tract / tract map 1786 VA Andrew and son William sign Low Dutch Article of Agreement 1790 VA Lincoln Co. - Danville - Hannah Shuck marries Jean Baptiste/Batiste (Kentucky Marriages early to 1800) Danville now in Boyle Co. formed 1842 from Lincoln and Mercer They lived in that area (Tax records). She dies near Danville 1832 (gravestone). 1792 KY Kentucky becomes a state from VA: 1 June 1792; 9 counties, descendants of Jefferson, Fayette and Lincoln. 1792 KY Shelby County formed from (Jefferson-presumed?) : 28 June 1792; 12th county 1792 KY Mercer Co. - William "Billy" Shuck marries Mary (Maria) "Polly" Banta 4 Aug 1792 @ Harrodsburg (Mercer County Marriages) 1793 VA Berkeley Co. - Last Mathias Shuck personal property tax record Berkeley Co. VA (1785-1793) 1795 KY (Shelby Co.?) - Letter to Classis of New Brunswick NJ 1796 KY Lincoln Co. - Danville? - Andrew Shuck Jr. marries Mary Ann "Polly" Young 7 May 1796 (IGI) 1798 VA Berkeley Co. - Mecklenburg name change to Shepherd's Town 1798 KY Henry Co. - Formed from Shelby Co. KY 1798 KY Shelby Co. - Mary "Polly" Shuck marries William Poland 23 Oct 1798 (Shelby County Kentucky Marriages 1792-1800) 1800 KY Mercer Co. - Old Mud Meeting House erected 1801 VA Jefferson Co. (new) - formed from part of Berkeley, includes Shepherd's Town 1802 KY Lincoln Co. - John S. Shuck Jr. marries Priscilla Young 11 Jan 1802 (Kentucky Marriages to 1850) 1803 KY Shelby Co. - Andrew dies - will dated March 1803, proved May 1803 Shelby County 1817 VA Berkeley Co. - A John Shook married Rachel Keesecker in Berkeley Co. VA 03 Feb 1817 (IGI patron sub.) 1820 KY Shelby Co. - Margaret, widow of Andrew dies 1 Jan 1820 1822 KY Shelby Co. - Cornelius Shuck deed in dissolution of Low Dutch Company 1825 KY Lincoln Co. - Danville - Jean Baptiste/Batiste died/buried (reportedly 1832 KY Lincoln Co. - Danville - Hannah Shuck Baptiste/Batiste died/buried 1832 KY Henry Co. - Mathias Shuck goes to court for Rev. War pension application 1833 KY Shelby Co. - Cornelius Shuck deed in dissolution of Low Dutch Company 1833 KY Shelby Co. - John Shuck deed in dissolution of Low Dutch Company 1839 KY Shelby Co. - William Shuck deed in dissolution of Low Dutch Company 1842 KY Boyle Co. formed from Lincoln and Mercer, Seat: Danville 1846 KY Henry Co. - Mathias Shuck dies 1863 WV West Virginia counties split from Virginia during U.S. Civil War 1863 WV Berkeley Co. becomes part of new state of West Virginia which supported the North 1863 WV Jefferson Co. (NOT the KY Co.) becomes part of new state of West Virginia which supported the North 1863 VA Frederick Co. remains in Virginia 1867 WV "Shepherd's Town" contracted to Shepherdstown, (officially) * Dates of Sarah Shuck (born 1761, died 1 April 1851) and Andrew Shuck (born 1775, died 27 OCT 1830) are reported in the IGI, online: Batch Nu. 8805611, Sheet 35, Call No. 1396498 (Film); fiche: Form/Line: 1772/1806. However, this is from an unknown, uncited LDS patron submission which I have not looked up.
These notes predominantly concern the history of counties that relate to the family and migration of Andrew Shuck. In 1780, the original "Kentucky Counties" were formed in Virginia from "Kentucky County." These were Jefferson, Lincoln and Fayette. By 1792, when Kentucky became a state on June 1, these three had been subdivided into eight (one report says nine?) counties. In 1784 Nelson County was formed which took the better part of Jefferson. Jefferson remained intact until 1792 when Shelby (June 28) and Washington were separated. (Others?) Jefferson's present boundary is unchanged since 1811.
It is presumed that events for Andrew Shuck family recorded as Jefferson County prior to June 1, 1792 took place in the area(s) of current Shelby County, Henry County (1798 from Shelby) and/or Louisville.
Following is a list and brief recap of the ten children of Andrew Shuck. They are named in Andrew Shuck's 1803 will. Contrary to some claims his children did not include an Agnes and Anna
Descendants of eight of the ten children are fairly mostly well known, proven and documented. They are shown in the following Descendants Database, which is not up to date. For five of those ten children we also know at least the parents of their spouses. There are numerous unsettled questions about the husband and children of Hannah Shuck Baptiste/Batiste. We also do not know the names of any of the children of Mary "Polly" Shuck and William Poland, reportedly four daughters and two sons.
Hannah Shuck was born 28 November 1756, possibly New Jersey; died 17 September 1832 at Danville (near), Lincoln (now Boyle) County, Kentucky; buried at Wilson Station Cemetery near Junction City, Lincoln (now Boyle) County, Kentucky. Hannah Shuck's gravestone record had been included on a transcription of the Wilson Station Cemetery posted on a website that as of May 2014 no longer exists. The stone said "Hannah Batist" and there was a footstone "H.B." I recall seeing a photo of her gravestone which data matched the transcription. The website was saved as Wilson Station Cemetery at archive.org where some photos were captured, but not Hannah's (she is listed out of alpha order). Now see Hannah Shuck grave at Find-A-Grave.com but no gravestone photo.
Hannah Shuck married 7 April 1790 at Lincoln County, Kentucky to Jean (John) Baptiste/Batiste (est 1750/1760-abt 1825). I have not seen a copy of the original record, only various indexed transcriptions of the marriage which all consistently give her name as "Hannah Shuck" and his as "John Batiste." One transcription states: "Batiste, John, Hannah dau. of Andres Schuh" so this adds confirmation to the will of Andrew Shuck. Children uncertain. See discussion of Baptiste - Jean (John) Baptiste (dit. St. Onge?) (est1750-est1820/1830) for more about him and their children.
Mathias (Matthew) Shuck born possibly 1759 in New Jersey (his recollection at an advanced age) and died 2 March 1846 in Henry County, Kentucky. He married est 1782 to Mary _______. He served in the Revolutionary War. Eight children.
Sarah "Sally Shuck born 27 October 1781 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died 1 April 1851 at Flat Rock, Bourbon County, Kentucky; buried at "Family Farm", Bourbon County, Kentucky; married 5 June 1784 at Danville, Lincoln (now Boyle) County, Kentucky to Hendrick (Henry) Banta (1762-1844). Ten children.
Mary Magdalena (Helena) Shuck was born 1763 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died est 1830 at Jefferson County, Indiana. She married first est 1780 Henry (Hendrick) Duree (Duryea, Durie) (1756-1781); second est 1781 to Cornelius Banta (1751/1758-abt1835). One son by Duree, eight children with Banta.
William "Billy" Shuck was born 25 September 1765 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died estimated 1840/1850 at presumed Henry County, Kentucky; married 4 August 1792 at Harrodsburg, Mercer County, Kentucky to Mary (Maria) "Polly" Banta (1772-1830/1840). Twelve children.
Margaret Shuck was born 1767 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley (1772), now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died 16 October 1852 at Gravel Switch, Marion County, Kentucky; buried Tharp Family Cemetery in Marion County, Kentucky; married 24 December 1785 at Jefferson County, Virginia (now Kentucky (1792), presumed vicinity of now Shelby County, Kentucky) to Perry (Parra) Peter (Periah) Tharp (cal1757-1845). (Marriage bond dated 13 December 1785 at Jefferson County, Virginia: Margaret Suck, daughter of Andrew Suck, marriage Periah Tharp, bondsman William Suck. Ref: "Kentucky Marriages, 1785-1979," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F43V-6WB : accessed 14 Dec 2013), surname indexed as 'Such' ) He served in the Revolutionary War. Eleven children.
The location of the Tharp Family Cemetery is known, ten burials are listed at Tharp Family Cemetery @ Findagrave.com One gravestone photo is shown: a modern government-placed veteran's stone for Perry. As of December 2013, a duplicate cemetery listing exists at Findagrave.com that shows just two entries for Perry and Margaret under a different, apparently made-up, cemetery name: Gravel Switch Tharp Farm Entries at both cemeteries show additional research details. The second cemetery shows a parent link to "Andrew Schuck" for Margaret, but the "information" shown for him and the family there presented as fact is speculative, guesswork, unproven and some items just wrong.
Cornelius Shuck was born about 1772 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died presumed 1830/1840 at Shelby County, Kentucky; married estimated 1799. Seven children, an eighth is disputed. The name of his wife is disputed. An early family account identified her as a Rebecca Farrell but no other evidence of her has been found. A Henry County, Kentucky marriage record shows an otherwise unknown "Car" Shuck married to a Sally McGuire 18 September 1810. I believe "Car" was a misinterpreted "Cor." for Cornelius. Sally would probably have been a second wife.
Andrew Shuck Jr. was born cal 1775 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died 27 October 1830 at Hickman (now Fulton) County, Kentucky; buried at Shuck Cemetery, Fulton County, Kentucky; married 7 May 1796 at Lincoln County, Kentucky to Mary Ann "Polly" Young (1773-abt 1850). Eight or nine children.
Mary "Polly" Shuck was born est 1778 near Mecklenburg (now Shepherdstown), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died after 1830 of Switzerland County, Indiana; married 23 October 1798 at Shelby County, Kentucky to William Poland (est1773-1820/1830). Reported six children, but I do not have their names.
John S. Shuck was born cal 1779/1782 near Shepherdstown (now), Frederick (later Berkeley, now Jefferson) County, Virginia (now West Virginia); died 3 January 1858 at Pleasureville, Henry County, Kentucky; buried Pleasureville Cemetery; married 11 January 1802 at Lincoln County, Kentucky to Priscilla (Prucilla) Young (cal 1780-1852). Seven or eight children.
There is now a version of this information at Rootsweb WorldConnect that was submitted by Martha Miller. This data is more up-to-date. The direct access URL starting with Andrew Shuck is at: Andrew Shuck (1733-1803)
John S. Shuck (1837-1898) and Annie Barron Shuck (1849-1897) - Obituaries. (John S.-4, John-3, William "Billy"-2, Andrew-1)
Dr. Arthur L. Shuck (1900-1983) brief biography (William Lee-5, William-4, Levi-3, Cornelius-2, Andrew-1) Of Elsberry, Lincoln Co., Missouri.
James Benton Shuck (1823-1918) Born 20 October 1823 Shelby or Henry Co. KY; died 2 Apr 1918 Tipton Co., Indiana.
"The Confession of Richard H. Shuck" Of Henry Co., Kentucky. Account of the crimes of Richard H. "Dick" Shuck (1850-1877), son of John Shuck (1825-) and Mary "Polly" Downey. Subject was hanged for the murder of his father-in-law, Nelson Parish.
Mariah Caroline (Shuck) Flint & Martha Ann (Shuck) Cage Of Salem, Dent Co., Missouri. Daughters of Edward Young Shuck
Mariah Caroline (Shuck) Flint, Her Daughters & Others Of Salem, Dent Co., Missouri. Daughter and granddaughter of Edward Young Shuck
J.T. and Pholenia Nevada Grace (Flint) Pettigrew Of Salem, Dent Co., Missouri. Daughter of Mariah Caroline (Shuck) Flint
The Dillards Of Salem, Dent Co., Missouri. Ozark bluegrass band "The Dillards", descendants of Mariah Caroline "Aunt Duck" Shuck Flint through J.T. and Pholenia Nevada Grace (Flint) Pettigrew.
John Shuck Harford (1824-1914) Son of Mary Ann Shuck Harford. Biography from History of Carroll County [Missouri] , 1881, page 658.
William A. Shuck (1834-1900) Son of Samuel Shuck (abt1801-1883) and Sarah "Sally" Frazier (1812/1819-1872).
Jean (John) Baptiste (dit. St. Onge?) (est1750-est1820/1830) Husband of Hannah Shuck (1756-1832), d/o Andrew Shuck.
Sarah J. Shuck Wildman (1852-1929) Wife of Benjamin Wildman, prob. d/o Peter A. Shuck and Susan (unknown).
John Baptiste Ford founded the Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company which became PPG industries. Called the "father of the plate glass industry" in the United States. During his long career, he had many business interests including an early glass making company, Star Glass Works, in New Albany, Indiana where he was partners with Washington C. DePauw (below), his cousin, and the Michigan Alkali Company. The story of his life, family and career are reported in two very interesting books which show a genuine industrial entrepreneur of the nineteenth century.
John B. Ford was the father of Edward Ford who founded the Edward Ford Plate Glass Company in Rossford, Ohio (Toledo) which subsequently merged to become Libbey-Owens-Ford (LOF).
See John Baptiste Ford (1811-1903) Family for a LOT more information, including bibliography.
Washington Charles DePauw (1822-1887) Son of John DePauw (1785-1838) and Elizabeth Bapiste (1786/8-1878). It now appears that Elizabeth Bapiste was the daughter of John/Jean Bapiste (est 1768-?) and an unknown first wife; Elizabeth was NOT the daughter of Hannah Shuck (and John/Jean Bapiste). John/Jean Bapiste (est 1768-?) married second Hannah Shuck (1756-1832). Washington C. DePauw was founder of the DePauw Glassworks at New Albany, Indiana and was benefactor and namesake of DePauw University, Greencastle, Indiana.
Lincoln, Pike, Dent and Shannon Counties.
Johnson, Switzerland, Putnam, Franklin, Tipton, Howard (Kokomo), Jennings and Ripley Counties. (Harrison County Shuck's are descended from John (Johann) Martin Shuck.)
Other than Shelby and Henry Counties. Primarily Fulton/Hickman County, but a few misc. Many later descendants had moved to the Jefferson County (Lousiville) area. Descendants of Andrew Shuck do NOT include the Shuck's who lived in Washington and Marion Counties; those with the Shuck surname were descended from John (Johann) Martin Shuck.
Rock Island, De Witt and Misc. Counties.
Jack and Dallas Counties.
A history of Johnson County, Indiana was written by D.D. Banta and delivered at the Shiloh Reunion on May 26, 1887. Some of the early settlers came from the Low Dutch Colony of Henry County, Kentucky. The text can be viewed at: Making a Neighborhood
There has been speculation that Andrew Shuck and/or family may have been members of a church known as the German Baptist Brethren, "Schwarzenau Brethren" or "Dunkers" because of their anabaptist beliefs and practices. However, I have not found a single shred of primary evidence to support this theory. However, I have found no evidence of what church they did belong to in any place as well as where they lived before Shepherdstown. Given the culture of the times, it would have been socially unacceptable not to have been with a church and religion. Generally, the early (pre-1851) Dunker congregations did not keep records, so finding any direct evidence may not be possible. Most Dunker congregations were small, scattered groups that met in members homes. There was also a lot of theological and organizational turmoil, so many of these groups, particularly in Kentucky, were short-lived, disbanded, were disenfranchised and/or became associated with other churches. The history of the Dunkers and related groups is quite complex.
The one citation I have found that appears to be the source of the rumor is in a book describing the early Kentucky Brethren congregations. It specifically names Andrew and Cornelius "Shock" and Shelby County, Kentucky. However, the pertinent passages contain fatal errors, so it is not reliable. Unfortunately, the author is deceased and I can find no further information, even at the Church of the Brethren headquarters library and archives. See "Dunkers" for details and more information.
I do not believe Baptiste was the original family surname. See link for more discussion.
Mary Magdelena (Helena) Shuck (1763-est1830) married 1) Est 1780 to Henry (Hendrick) Duree (Duryea/Durie) (1756-1781); 2) Est 1781 to Cornelius Banta (1751/1758-abt 1835).
A book (I have not seen): "The Durie Book"; Howard I. Durie (deceased as of 2002); self-published; 1985; Pomona, New York.
Mary Magdelena (Helena) Shuck (1763-est1830) married 1) Est 1780 to Henry (Hendrick) Duree (Duryea/Durie) (1756-1781); 2) Est 1781 to Cornelius Banta (1751/1758-abt 1835).
Sarah "Sally" Shuck, born 27 Oct 1761 at Frederick County, Virginia; died 1 April 1851 at Flat Rock, Boubon County, Kentucky; married 5 June 1784 at Danville, Lincoln (now Boyle) County, Kentucky to Hendrick (Henry) Banta; he born 23 January 1762 at Sussex County, New Jersey; died 17 October 1844 at Flat Rock, Bourbon County, Kentucky.
Mary (Maria) "Polly" Banta born 1772 at Conewago, York (now Adams) County, Pennsylvania; died 1830/1840 at (presumed), Henry County, Kentucky; married 4 August 1792 at Harrodsburg, Lincoln County, Kentucky William "Billy" Shuck born 25 February 1765 at Frederick County, Virginia; died 1840/1850 at (presumed) Henry County, Kentucky.
Major books about the family are:
A short, incomplete list of some errors I have found: Banta book errors
In 2002, a photo album was found at Pioneer Antiques in Jamestown, Kentucky (Russell County) with a photo labelled "Grandmother Tharp" which appears to have been taken around the late 1800's. See: "Grandmother Tharp"
Mary Ann "Polly" Young born 28 Feb 1773 in Virginia; died abt 1850 at Fulton County, Kentucky; married 7 May 1796 at Lincoln County, Kentucky to Andrew Shuck Jr., he born 1775 at Shepherdstown (near),Berkeley County, Virginia; died 1830 at Hickman (now Fulton) County, Kentucky.
Priscilla (Prucilla) Young born 1780 in Virginia; died 6 December 1852 at Pleasureville, Henry County, Kentucky; buried Pleasureville Cemetery, Henry County, Kentucky; married 11 January 1802 at Lincoln County, Kentucky to John S. Shuck, born 1779/1882 at Shepherdstown (near),Berkeley County, Virginia; died 3 January 1858 at Pleasureville, Henry County, Kentucky; buried Pleasureville Cemetery, Henry County, Kentucky.
Both Mary Ann and Priscilla were daughters of John Young (1740-1821) and Mary Montgomery.
Mary "Polly" Shuck (est1790-bef1843) married 1810 to James Poland (est1780/1787-?). She was daughter of Mathias Shuck (1759-aft1840); he was son of Stephen Poland, Jr. (1759-1819). Only one known child: Clyde Washington Polen (1812-1898).
It is very likely that William Poland (est1773-aftJan1820) and James Poland (est1780/1787-?) are related, but they were reportedly not brothers. William may have been son of Stephen Poland, Sr. The migration of the Poland's appears the same as many other families of Shelby/Henry Co., but specific support needs to be found. Stephen Jr. is reported born in Berks Co., PA; and his first son, James Poland (est1780/1787-?) is reported born in Frederick Co., VA.
The Poland's also subsequently participated in the mass-migration to Indiana following residence in Henry County. Clyde Washington Polen went first to Jefferson Co., Indiana where the oldest children were born, then to Bartholomew Co., Indiana. It APPEARS that the family/children of William Poland/Polly Shuck MAY have gone to Switzerland/Jefferson Co., IN; this needs further research and specific proof. There are some Indiana marriage records that look very interesting.
This contains original narrative written by Martha Miller and family group sheets.
Documents the family and descendants of Levi Shuck born 21 SEP 1817 Shelby Co., KY, died 4 OCT 1894 at Lincoln Co., MO. Levi-3 was a descendant of Andrew Shuck (c1733-1803) [1.0] of Kentucky (Cornelius-2, Andrew-1). Levi migrated to Pike and Lincoln Counties, Missouri before 1840. Covers families through 1973.
"Will and family records of Andrew Shuck of Shelby County, Ky." [I have not seen.]
This consists mostly of unorganized photocopies of some pages from the Larry Shuck book, family group sheets and other information prepared by Martha Miller and some miscellaneous papers including two personal letters. The only copy that exists is located at the Wisconsin Historical Society in Madison.
Account of the crimes of Richard H. "Dick" Shuck (1850-1877), son of John Shuck (1825-) and Mary "Polly" Downey. Subject was hanged for the murder of his father-in-law, Nelson Parish.
This is a history of the German Baptist Brethren and contains the passages:
[Page 153]: "Andrew and Cornelius Shock had moved down the Ohio River from Pittsburg, Pa., together with their brother Adam, who parted company with them at Cincinnati. He moved northward and settled near Dayton, Ohio, [Montgomery County] while they continued down the river to Louisville and settled in what is now Shelby County, Kentucky."
This is disputed and, unfortunately, the author is deceased. A visit by me to the GBB archives did not turn up any further information or support, either positive or negative. However, Adam was NOT the brother of Andrew and Cornelius "Shock;" that is virtually certain (Andrew Shuck (ca1833-1803) will and other evidence). Conversely, I cannot definitively rule in or out connection of the family of Andrew Shuck with the GBB and/or with the family of Adam "Shock." On the other hand, would they have been accepted by the Low Dutch if they had been associated with the GBB? Further discussion: "The Dunkers"
A history of Johnson County, Indiana was written by D.D. Banta and delivered at the Shiloh Reunion on May 26, 1887. Some of the early settlers came from the Low Dutch Colony of Henry County, Kentucky. Only mention of Shuck is the surname, no individuals. The text can be viewed online at: Making a Neighborhood
A short, incomplete list of some errors I have found: Banta book errors
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