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About colors in the breed
I believe it has to be cleared up to see what the person was up to saying it and why, and is there anything else we can see and understand from those unpredictible and unreasonable statements. I would say: "ignorance is blessed".
It looks like a person is trying to put down mahogany and tawny (`cause does not have them, has only black and bluey), BUT cannot provide any facts, because does not know anything about it as much as previously declared about his own BEST dogs and bloodline he works with.
Coat Color Chart
Percent of progeny in each type of mating
The person declared LOUD in public: There are no RARE colors !!! And has admitted with a few next sentences they are, contradicting himself and what was said in the first Statement !!! Isn`t PATHETIC ?
Another LOUD, unreasonable and not less stupid statement was made too:
"If buying a Tawny or Mahogany, Make sure the parents of the pups are not both Tawny or Mahogany.The pups will have no bone, wrinkle, mass or size. Tawny and Mahogany is a recessive trait, you don't breed two recessive animals".
Lets see:
Blue has 2 color genotypes BBdd and Bbdd, Mahogany as well has also 2 genotypes types bbDD and bbDd.And BOTH of them (Blue and Mahogany) are recessive to black !!!!
Isn`t the fact that the person did not figure out yet, being 2 days in the breed???
Well, according to the statements breeding blue to blue is as much recessive as mahogany to mahogany and has the same effect??? Interesting, isn`t it? Why would a person with that kind of knowledge breed 2 blue dogs if STATES you do not breed 2 recessive animals??? If has any proof of ignorant statements made? ASK for proof and will have FUN if you get any respond.
Forums are good to read, learn and understand, pull out the useful info (not everything what some dummies say just to be noticed and get a score)... but if you cannot read and have no ability to understand - nobody can help you. Besides there are the same people on all forums who are on front line KNOWing NOTHING but are so eager to educate anothers, but indeed have proven in each quote made that they are incapable to read and correctly interpret the standard and written books and other people quotes, but hey, they "wanna to educate!"
I beleive many forums "chewed up" about colors for many years and there is an information that color HAS NOTHING to do with bones, mass, size and wrinkles!!! But i guess a person missed it.
Well, if a blond woman has 2 kids one is from a brunette and one is from a blond (red), then can we state that a kid from brunette will have better bodybuilt? more brahymoprphic, bigger bones, etc????
and it is clear that - NO !!! If rely on hair color only !!! They will be what their genetical program gave from parents and their background !!!
Plus if you breed 2 blue which are recessive to black, they suppose to have no wrinkles, no mass, no bone or size according to "Wanna-be-Smart" person`s statement? If there would be any difference according to the color types, then this breed would be judged by colors as it is in some other breeds, for example in spaniels.
The genetics is a very interesting thing, and many things are not studied yet. Even scientists and researchers are very careful with any statement to be made, but I guess when you have an empty head, it is always easy to make LOUD and IGNORANT statements about everything.
As far as known - each gene stands for something and carries info. Some genes are recessive to anothers and if both parents have recessive gene of a congenial problem some offspings might show it, cary and inherit further. It is the case when it is dangerous to breed 2 recessive carriers and that is why you have to know bloodlines you are working with, but has nothing to do with the color.
Another interesting statement with no facts and it is commonly already to contradict himself in almost next sentence: 1) "You get the color you breed for" 2) "...you get good colored from uncolored dogs!"
So how is it possible according to the statement to get "a color you breed for" if for example 2 black dogs can throw colored then??? Is it a double personality, where one writes 1 sentence and another - next; or hatred and jelousy. Offsprings look like parents in many cases, if you breed 2 black labrador-looking "neapolitans" you will have labrador-looking offsprings, the same with another colors.
I will be short on this one for now. There is the Scientific tab, which is below to see as a fact the posibilities of tawny to show up. A few examples: breeding stright to tawny partner:
Only ONE black genotype (from 4) is capable to reproduce tawny, but % is small and if the tab shows 25%, we know black is dominant to tawny and it does not mean that from a litter of 12 puppies you will get 25 % of tawny, you could get 1 or none. All rest 3 black genotypes will not throw tawny even with a tawny partner!
You do not have to be a Doctor in biology to see the posibilities of tawny to pop up. That is why when a breeder has tawny appeared in the litter, keeps them for himself and we all know that the breeder keeps the BEST and RARE! That is why you can go to many shows and did not see a single tawny in the ring, because they are rare.
I have decided to write this article after saw a slanderous and ignorant info on one site about the colored dogs. There are no many people with colored dogs could stand up, explain and give facts.
There are many confusing stories and slanders behind scenes about the coat colors in this breed and almost all of them are coming from ignorant people who do not have any great stocky colored dog, have no idea what they are talking about, but trying to put down in very low way.
There are 4 colors in this breed: black, blue, mahogany and tawny. Usually when we say "colored" we refer to mahogany and tawny. Each color can be brindled.
Even if you breed 2 great looking dogs of any color but they bloodlines do not fit, you might end up with very plain looking pups and it is well known and proven in this breed, when very titled beautiful dogs turned out to be very poor reproducers. That is why you need to study bloodlines and know how they might shoot with a particular bloodline.
So clear and obvious the reason of putting down tawny and mahogony, because they are a huge competition on a market to her own uncolored ("BEST dogs out of the BEST bloodlines"), so to compete somehow and promote herself and her reproduction it is the only way to sell what is in hands though should admit that a very low way was choosen to compete and promote herself.
I do not know how much jelous person could be that each made statement shows absence of any knowledge or facts. Trying to link to forums, where actually anyone with a brain in a head can read and understand that NO ONE who seems know something made any LOUD statement and it is discussions where each gives his IMHO.
That statement about "you do not breed 2 recessive animals" could be reffered when we talk about genetical probs, not about colors !!! More likely a person "has heard the sound but did not understand where it was coming from..." And recessive genes in this case (genetical problems) are about ALL 4 colors. For those microchiped "i know it all being in the breed for 2 days" i would say: in many cases black to black is much more regret!!!
Mahogany (only 1 type from 2) directly from tawny can reproduce tawny, but again % of posibilities for tawny to show up is not big.
Blue (only 1 from 2 genotypes) directly from tawny can reproduce tawny 25% posibility of tawny and 75% - blue.
Only 2 tawny neos can give you 100% of tawny dogs, but such a breeding could be very rare because not many tawny you can find anywhere, because it is recessive to all 3 colors.
As far as facts go tawny color is recessive to all 3 another colors in the breed and it is a very small % of posibility for tawny to show up according to the scientific tab and real life facts, tawny coat IS, WAS and WILL be considered as RARE !
Someone who HAS NEVER WHELPED, HAS NEVER OWNED and more to say HAS NEVER SEEN in person any colored representative (because did not go to a single local show yet), only seen 2-3 dogs on the pictures, being 3-days-in-the-breed, declared himself "DEDICATED", promoting as working with the "BEST DOGS and BLOODLINES", KNOWING NOTHING should not make any LOUD STATEMENTS about anything, and really need to spend a few more days in the breed, doing a homework, researching and reading books.
Well, that clears more - when you know something, you do not stout your opinion, you do not make loud ignorant statements. I can give a tip why. When you have some expirience with this breed and understand what and how, then you know on your own --- you will not state 100% about anything.
