Lies for Jesus, Morals and Christianity

“What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie. Such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.”
~ Martin Luther founder of the Lutheran Religion

David Barton a Christian fundamentalist. wrote a whole book of quotes that were all lies he make up that has made many believe our  founding fathers were Christian In fact very Christian.  He was forced to print a booklet confessing he had made the quotes up

I have seen his lies repeated over and over in our news paper and on TV.   

We've all seen the letters in the newspapers with quotes from the Founding Fathers and other respected historical American leaders that can sometimes make the most ardent Atheist think twice about trying to refute the historical reconstructionist's ideology of "Christian Nation" that comes along with, "This nation was founded on Christianity by Christian men!"

What a lot of Atheists don't know is that many of these "great" quotes (great in the sense that they would be devastating to our side if they were true) are fabricated and disseminated just like every other urban legend email you get about Big Foot, the godly banana, and the missing girl with leukemia.

David Barton is a Christian fundamentalist from the WallBuilders group. He wrote a book full of quotes from the Founding Fathers that really took the Atheist's take on the foundation of this country to task. Many people jumped to do the research to find out the validity of these quotes. Firms devoted to
Madison and Jefferson became involved, universities got involved and ultimately the Library of Congress was the final resting place for these quotes.

David Barton was cornered and he admitted to fabricating the quotes, okay he actually called them "spurious," but we all know that means he made them up. He was ordered to create a pamphlet that listed all his bogus quotes. Unfortunate that pamphlet has had almost zero impact on those who use the quotes daily in newspapers around the
United States .

Here are some of the BOGUS quotes that you should immediately refute if you see them used in a letter to the editor, in an online forum, or anywhere else for that matter.

1) "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" - Patrick Henry

The truth =Patrick Henry.  Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. We have heard a great deal about the benevolence and holy zeal of our reverend clergy, but how is this manifested? Do they manifest their zeal in the cause of religion and humanities, by practicing the mild and benevolent precepts of the Gospel of Jesus? Do they feed the hungry and clother the naked? Oh no, gentlemen! Instead of feeding the hungry and clothing the naked, these rapacious harpies would, were their powers equal to their will, snatch from the hearth of their honest parishoner his last hoe cake, from the widow and her orphan children their last milch cow, the last bed, nay, the last blanket from the lying-in woman!  

He fought in court and stopped the paying of tax money to Christian ministers as was done in Europe

2) "The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." - Abraham Lincoln

 The truth-Abraham Lincoln actually said: "Christianity is not my religion and the bible is not my book. I have never united myself in any church because I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian doctrine and dogma." Lincoln never joined any church and was never baptized, looking upon it as superstition. His wife said: "my husband is not a Christian

3) "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." - George Washington

The truth=George Washington  FactsIn 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said in a sermon: "Washington is no more than a Unitarian, if anything." Washington refused to take communion, looking upon it as superstition. He refused to ever kneel in church according to his wife and minister

4) "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - Holy Trinity v.
U. S. (Supreme Court case)

5) "The principles of all genuine liberty, and of wise laws and administrations are to be drown from the Bible and sustained by its authority. The man therefore who weakens or destroys the divine authority of that book may be assessory [sic] to all the public disorders which society is doomed to suffer." - Noah Webster

6) "A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of
America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or eternal invader." - Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams was only a governor.  

The truth, His cousin: President John Adams in a letter to Jefferson wrote. "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."

7) "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves ... according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison

The truth =James Madison actually wrote "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."(8)  "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? more or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

8) "There are two powers only which are sufficient to control men, and secure the rights of individuals and a peaceable administration; these are the combined force of religion and law, and the force or fear of the bayonet." - Noah Webster

9) "Whosoever shall introduce into the public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world." - Benjamin Franklin

The truth =Benjamin Franklin actually wrote a month before he died "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion ... has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble." (12)  He died a month later.

"Religion I found to be without any tendency to inspire, promote, or confirm morality, serves principally to divide us and make us unfriendly to one another."--Benjamin Franklin 

10) "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next." - Abraham Lincoln

11) "I have always said and always will say that the studious perusal of the Sacred Volume will make us better citizens." - Thomas Jefferson

The truth=Thomas Jefferson actually wrote: "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular Superstitions of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men women and children since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

The spearhead behind the effort to verify the quotes was Professor Robert S. Alley from the
University of Richmond . He's the author of James Madison on Religious Liberty. Editors from The Papers of James Madison at the University of Virginia got involved and helped Alley verify all the quotes being used by Barton, which were being disseminated across the country as he toured (Rush Limbaugh used the bogus Madison quote on his show).   Most of the quotes above were included in Barton's book The Myth of Separation.   

The whole thing started with an article in Church & State magazine written by Alley. WallBuilders was ultimately forced to admit that the quotes were bogus, although they listed a lot of them as "questionable" and a few as "false." The admission by Barton was produced in a pamphlet titled 12 Questionable Quotes. Barton then corrected his book and renamed it Original Intent for its second edition.   Barton was also involved in the Herdahl case in Mississippi . Barton's video, ' America 's Godly Heritage' was being shown in the school (Herdahl v Pontotoc County School District (   The original article addressing all of this was written by Rob Boston in Church & State Magazine, July-August 1996 in the article David Barton Falsifies American History, Consumer Alert: WallBuilders' Shoddy Workmanship.   

But it's not just "the left" that is hammering Barton for his "shoddy workmanship." The Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs issued a critique of Barton's movie that highlighted most of the quotes. The BJCPA takes Barton to task and hammers his video.   You can find Barton's bio online at, where it says he's an "author and historian." It should be noted that he is not an historian. The bio even says he has a degree in Arts from Oral Roberts University and an honorary doctorate from the Pensacola Christian College . That's far from being an historian.   WallBuilders has an article about the quotations on it, but if you read it it's blathered in nonsense to take away the sting Barton had to feel. You can't find that article easily unless you do a search for "questionable quotations" in "all categories."

By: Blair Scott, Alabama State Director, American Atheists, Inc.

Additional notes from
Arlene-Marie , Michigan State Director, American Atheists :

David Barton has long been a thorn in my side. I have debated his work on over 22 TV programs and when testifying at the Frankenmuth Bible Study hearings, on two occasions. Barton is a king pin in the National Council of Bible Curriculum in Public Schools and they use his historically inaccurate video tapes to promote this unconstitutional program. At the first hearing in February 2004, I viewed one Barton's tapes filled with bogus quotes, in a room filled with believers and they brought the house down with their applause.

Beyond the NCBCPS, Barton is a popular revisionist and a leading advocate for emphasizing Christianity in
US history by producing revisionist history videotapes and books that cherry-picks and distorts facts, while ignoring historical evidence. He is best known for his claims that, "Separation of church and state is a myth," and/or, "separation of church and state was invented by the Supreme Court."

These claims, and others, were big issues for me while defending separation of state and church during the tour of
Roy 's rock in Michigan . Michigan 's supporters of this hunk of rock were spouting Barton's bogus quotes at each stop and the media never failed to pose their questions around Barton's claims. In fact, Barton's claims haunt me and I think all Atheists, in every aspect of our separation debates, and discussions from every level of the media.

However, I don't think everyone is aware of the fact that they are quoting Barton. I feel that over time his material has simply become a familiar part of their (media / believers) vocabulary. Maybe now is a good time for Michigan Atheists to consider continuing to gather supportive dialogue to expose Barton's fabricated quotes, develop talking points and write letters to the media exposing these bogus quotes.

When I see something like this and the words by Martin Luther the founder of the Lutheran religion I get emotional and hate any religion that is promoted by lies.  Its no better then when communism was promoted by lies.

I have sent this and copies of the letters written by Thomas Jefferson to TV evangelist thinking once they knew of the lies they would stop telling the lies over TV.  The next time I viewed them they were still lying. I am sure they feel a lie that improves morals, helps religion, is good for the country  is a worthwhile lie.  How sick is that?

W all are told Jesus loves every one.  The bible quotes Jesus saying I made heaven, I mad Hell and the list goes on.  Why did he make Hell?  The bible says in 12 places if you do not believe in Jesus you will go to hell where there is fire brimstone crying and pain forever.  Therefore all Muslims, Jews and in fact 4/5 of the people on earth will be fried for ever.   But Jesus loves everyone & he needs money, lots of money. How can it be that Jesus love everyone and yet torture most humans for ever?
The stupidity about hell in the bible has made me an Atheist.

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