Lies for Jesus, Morals and Christianity
“What harm would it do, if a man told a
good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie
out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie. Such lies would not be against
God, he would accept them.”
~ Martin Luther founder of the Lutheran Religion
David Barton a Christian fundamentalist.
wrote a whole book of quotes that were all lies he make up that has made many
believe our founding fathers were Christian In fact very Christian. He was forced to
print a booklet confessing he had made the quotes up
wrote a whole book of quotes that were all lies he make up that has made many believe our founding fathers were Christian In fact very Christian. He was forced to print a booklet confessing he had made the quotes up
I have seen his lies repeated
over and over in our news paper and on TV.
We've all seen the letters in
the newspapers with quotes from the Founding Fathers and other respected
historical American leaders that can sometimes make the most ardent Atheist
think twice about trying to refute the historical reconstructionist's ideology
of "Christian Nation" that comes along with, "This nation was
founded on Christianity by Christian men!"
What a lot of Atheists don't know is that many of these "great" quotes (great in the sense that they would be devastating to our side if they were true) are fabricated and disseminated just like every other urban legend email you get about Big Foot, the godly banana, and the missing girl with leukemia.
David Barton is a Christian fundamentalist from the WallBuilders group. He wrote a book full of quotes from the Founding Fathers that really took the Atheist's take on the foundation of this country to task. Many people jumped to do the research to find out the validity of these quotes. Firms devoted to
David Barton was cornered and he admitted to fabricating the quotes, okay he actually called them "spurious," but we all know that means he made them up. He was ordered to create a pamphlet that listed all his bogus quotes. Unfortunate that pamphlet has had almost zero impact on those who use the quotes daily in newspapers around the
Here are some of the BOGUS quotes that you should immediately refute if you see them used in a letter to the editor, in an online forum, or anywhere else for that matter.
1) "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!" - Patrick Henry
The truth =Patrick Henry. Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. We have heard a great deal about the benevolence and holy zeal of our reverend clergy, but how is this manifested? Do they manifest their zeal in the cause of religion and humanities, by practicing the mild and benevolent precepts of the Gospel of Jesus? Do they feed the hungry and clother the naked? Oh no, gentlemen! Instead of feeding the hungry and clothing the naked, these rapacious harpies would, were their powers equal to their will, snatch from the hearth of their honest parishoner his last hoe cake, from the widow and her orphan children their last milch cow, the last bed, nay, the last blanket from the lying-in woman!
He fought in court and
stopped the paying of tax money to Christian ministers as was done in Europe
2) "The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." - Abraham Lincoln
The truth-Abraham Lincoln
actually said: "Christianity is not my religion and the bible is not my
book. I have never united myself in any church because I could never give assent
to the long, complicated statements of Christian doctrine and dogma."
Lincoln never joined any church and was never baptized, looking upon it as
superstition. His wife said: "my husband is not a Christian
3) "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." - George Washington
The truth=George Washington
FactsIn 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said in a sermon:
"Washington is no more than a Unitarian, if anything." Washington
refused to take communion, looking upon it as superstition. He refused to ever
kneel in church according to his wife and minister
4) "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise. In this sense and to this extent, our civilizations and our institutions are emphatically Christian." - Holy Trinity v.
5) "The principles of all genuine liberty, and of wise laws and administrations are to be drown from the Bible and sustained by its authority. The man therefore who weakens or destroys the divine authority of that book may be assessory [sic] to all the public disorders which society is doomed to suffer." - Noah Webster
6) "A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of
Samuel Adams was only a governor.
The truth, His cousin: President John Adams in a letter to Jefferson wrote. "This would be
the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it."
7) "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves ... according to the Ten Commandments of God." - James Madison
The truth =James Madison
actually wrote "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and
unfits it for every noble enterprise."(8) "During almost fifteen
centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have
been its fruits? more or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy,
ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and
8) "There are two powers only which are sufficient to control men, and secure the rights of individuals and a peaceable administration; these are the combined force of religion and law, and the force or fear of the bayonet." - Noah Webster
9) "Whosoever shall introduce into the public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world." - Benjamin Franklin
The truth =Benjamin Franklin actually wrote a month before he died "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion ... has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble." (12) He died a month later.
"Religion I found to
be without any tendency to inspire, promote, or confirm morality, serves
principally to divide us and make us unfriendly to one another."--Benjamin
10) "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next." - Abraham Lincoln
11) "I have always said and always will say that the studious perusal of the Sacred Volume will make us better citizens." - Thomas Jefferson
The truth=Thomas Jefferson actually
wrote: "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I
do not find in our particular Superstitions of Christianity one redeeming
feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology. Millions of
innocent men women and children since the introduction of Christianity, have
been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth."
The spearhead behind the effort to verify the quotes was Professor Robert S. Alley from the
The whole thing started with an
article in Church & State magazine written by Alley. WallBuilders was
ultimately forced to admit that the quotes were bogus, although they listed a
lot of them as "questionable" and a few as "false." The
admission by Barton was produced in a pamphlet titled 12 Questionable Quotes.
Barton then corrected his book and renamed it Original Intent for its second
edition. Barton was also involved in the Herdahl case in
But it's not just "the left" that is hammering Barton for his
"shoddy workmanship." The Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs
issued a critique of Barton's movie that highlighted most of the quotes. The
BJCPA takes Barton to task and hammers his video. You can find Barton's
bio online at http://www.wallbuilders.com/aboutus/bio/, where it says he's
an "author and historian." It should be noted that he is not an
historian. The bio even says he has a degree in Arts from
By: Blair Scott, Alabama State Director, American Atheists, Inc.
Additional notes from
David Barton has long been a thorn in my side. I have debated his work on over 22 TV programs and when testifying at the Frankenmuth Bible Study hearings, on two occasions. Barton is a king pin in the National Council of Bible Curriculum in Public Schools and they use his historically inaccurate video tapes to promote this unconstitutional program. At the first hearing in February 2004, I viewed one Barton's tapes filled with bogus quotes, in a room filled with believers and they brought the house down with their applause.
Beyond the NCBCPS, Barton is a popular revisionist and a leading advocate for emphasizing Christianity in
These claims, and others, were big issues for me while defending separation of state and church during the tour of
However, I don't think everyone is aware of the fact that they are quoting Barton. I feel that over time his material has simply become a familiar part of their (media / believers) vocabulary. Maybe now is a good time for Michigan Atheists to consider continuing to gather supportive dialogue to expose Barton's fabricated quotes, develop talking points and write letters to the media exposing these bogus quotes.
When I see something like
this and the words by Martin Luther the founder of the Lutheran religion I get
emotional and hate any religion that is promoted by lies.
Its no better then when communism was promoted by lies.
I have sent this and copies of the letters written by Thomas
Jefferson to TV evangelist thinking once they knew of the lies they would stop
telling the lies over TV. The next time I viewed them they were still
lying. I am sure they feel a lie that improves morals, helps religion, is good
for the country is a worthwhile lie. How sick is that?
I have sent this and copies of the letters written by Thomas Jefferson to TV evangelist thinking once they knew of the lies they would stop telling the lies over TV. The next time I viewed them they were still lying. I am sure they feel a lie that improves morals, helps religion, is good for the country is a worthwhile lie. How sick is that?
The most religious countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Dominican Republic, Haiti, the Philippines and many others are violent, backwards, uneducated and in horrid condition.The most Atheist countries, where less than 5% attending church are the richest, most educated, have the lowest rate of people in prison, longest lasting marriages and the most caring medical systems; Finland, Norway, Denmark & Holland are examples. What the world needs is a lot more Atheists and Atheist countries.