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From: Tony Graver

Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:56 AM

Hi Gary,

I wonder if you or any readers can help. My son just started shaving regularly (instead of a few quick strokes with a Braun every couple of weeks). Not surprisingly the Braun didn't do the trick - well, foil shavers didn't work for me either when I started.

So I dug out a not-too-old Philips 840 (or Norelco) and gave it a charge. It was very sluggish and it probably needs an overhaul. But it worked. So all I need to do is overhaul it and everything will be fine. I don't know about the States, but over here it costs about the same to replace a shaver as it does to get it serviced - so it's DIY time. Now, what kind of oil should I be using to make it all run free again - I'm a bit worried about using anything too industrial for obvious reasons!

Many thanks

Tony

Thanks for your note, Tony.  I would think that a light lubricating oil, one which says on the label that it can be used on small electric motors, would do the job.  If others have any ideas, let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: "Eric Cook"

Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:56 PM

I recently came across your website in my search for a new electric razor. What a great source of information! By far, your forum seems to contain the most useful information on the internet.

Eliminating neck and chin irritation is more important to me than a close shave. I know that sounds strange, but I have long given up on the "perfect shave." I just don't want the red marks and bumps from skin irritation on my neck and chin. I just purchased the Remington powder stick, which you recommend, and I hope it will help somewhat. I'll let you know.

Now, for the electric razor. I have always used a Norelco rotary razor. Right now, I'm using the Norelco 985RX, which I think is a Micro Action razor. I've tried foil razors in the past without much success, since they don't seem to catch my thick, curly hair. Assuming that obtaining a close shave is secondary to avoiding skin irritation on my neck, which of the following razors would you suggest: Norelco Quadra Action, Panasonic Linear or Braun Synchro (or other razor)? Also, since it has been at least 10 years since I last tried a foil razor, have they improved or changed enough for me to try one again?

Thanks.

Eric D. Cook

Thanks for your note, Eric.  About improvements in foil shavers, the Braun Syncro is a significant improvement as the shaving surface moves in different directions as well as the cutters.  This is a way for Braun to compete with the rotary shavers which natually shaves in different directions.  The Braun Syncro is also the shaver getting the most attention as to what is the favorite.  The only down side to the Braun Syncro is that it's NOT waterproof and is obviously a dry shaver.  If you want to shave wet, then the Panasonic Linear line is the obvious choice.  You may already know that I'm biased towards the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver as that's what I use at home.  I hope this helps and let me know how the shave is with the Remington Powder Stick.

From: <BlaqeFire>

Date: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:37 AM

Hi,

I am 16 years old and will be shaving for the first time. I have sensitive skin and I'm leaning toward an electric shaver fearing that I will get cut by a razor. I have a couple questions that you may be able to help me with.

I have heard great things about the Norelco series of Quadra and Advantage models from your website. Can you please clarify the differences?

Do you recommend any particular electric shaver for me? I heard that the Norelco Advantage model is a good start for a first time user.

Can you pleas explain the rotary shavers?

I also want to be able to use my new electric shaver in the shower as well as in dry conditions.

Thanks for all the help. It's a great site that you maintain. Thanks for everything.

Sincerely,

Michael

Thanks for your questions, Michael.   About the comparision between the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action dry shaver and the Philishave Cool Skin/Norelco Advantage wet/dry shaver,  The Quadra Action has holes in the middle on a thinner shaving surface to get the shorter whiskers and the familiar slots on the outside on a thicker shaving surface to get the longer whiskers.  The Cool Skin/Advantage has heads similar to the Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action model, but is made of rust resistant materials for a wet shave.  Even though the Quadra Action shaver is also waterproof, Philips does not recommend shaving wet with that model as the shave is not as good as when used dry.  As for Philips' now low-end Micro Action shavers, I would be very careful with it as without the closeness/comfort adjustment which originally came on this product line, you could get your skin irritated because of the very thin shaving surface resulting from the microgroove.  Since you do want to use the shaver in the shower, I suggest the Advantage or Cool Skin (BTW, for those who saw or bought replacement Norelco Advantage heads in the USA and noticed that the heads say "Cool Skin" instead of "Advantage", you now know why as the shaver is known as the Cool Skin outside the USA).  I hope this helps.

From: Irish

Date: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 7:54 PM

Gary...

I have a 14 year old son that will be starting to shave soon...right now he only has a little hair starting to grow above his lip. I thought I would buy him an electric shaver and am really unsure of what kind to buy him. He has very sensitive skin. I was thinking if I bought him a good one, he wouldn't have to replace it for quite a while. I have read the comments on this page and there are just too many choices I can't make up my mind....also the fact that most of the comments are from Men that have been shaving forever....what is a Mother to do? Appreciate your help.

Joan

Thanks for your note, Joan.  I would pick a middle of the line shaver or a low end version of a top of the line model that's on sale as I expect you (or he) does not want to initially spend a lot of money.  I would myself suggest a Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action shaver among the rotary models and either a Braun Flex Integral or Remington Microscreen 3 model for a foil shaver.  I hope this helps and I suggest checkout out previous Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings and previous Survey Page responses for additional ideas.

From: "Steven Latus"

Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:34 PM

Concerning K. Crowe's question about cleaning the Braun Synchro without the cleaning stand, it certainly is possible to clean the shaver without it. The foil and cutters can be removed easily, and a cleaning brush was included with my Model 7570 when I bought it from Mercury Shaver Centre a few months back. For more complete cleaning than the daily brushing provides, use Braun Shaver Cleaner in conjunction with the brush when you feel it is needed.

I do use the cleaning stand and like it very much. It works very effectively and lubricates the shaver in addition to cleaning it. It also serves to charge the batteries. I don't miss the tedious job of cleaning it manually. I never liked the idea of using a brush on sharp blades myself - seems like it might take some of the edge off.

The cartridges are not outrageously expensive. I clean my shaver every single day using the stand; the cleaning cycle runs for 15 minutes.

Right now, having used the shaver since the tail end of July, I am on my 3rd cartridge. I bought 4 of them from Mercury for $41.40 Canadian (included $9.50 Canadian for shipping) - a total of $27.31 US at the time.

I also like the read-out on the Model 7570. I always know how much charge is left and can plan accordingly - no guesswork. The charge lasts about a week (I average about 7 minutes per shave - I'm one of those guys with curly neck hairs).

Steven Latus

Thanks for telling your experience and your tips about the Braun Syncro shaver, Steven.

From: Crowe

Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:34 PM

Hi.

I emailed a couple questions a while ago about buying my first electric razor. I have now done some more research and I have narrowed my choices down. I want to try a Braun but what model depends on how much money I decide to spend. I decided I would not get a really cheap razor.

My choices are:

Braun Flex Integral 5414 for $100 Canadian

Braun Flex Integral 5416 for $120 Canadian

Braun Syncro 7505 for $150 Canadian

Braun Syncro 7570 for $175 Canadian

I was planning on only spending $100 but if an extra 50 - 80 buck is going to give me a much better shave I am willing to consider it. First of all I was wondering if the clean and charge unit is worth the extra $75? How difficult is it to clean the syncro with out the clean and charge unit? If I buy either the 7505 or the 7570 do you think it would be possible to return it if I decide that I dont like it?

Thanks

K. Crowe

Thanks for your question.  From the opinions I've been getting on the Braun Syncro, the clean and charge unit seems to be worth it to make the Syncro a more care-free shaver.  Although the expense of the cleaning solution is the only down side as well as having to keep the clean and charge unit on hand, but for those used to having to keep a charging stand on hand, that would not be a big issue.  Since I have no idea how to clean the Braun Syncro without the clean and charge unit, I'm asking Braun Syncro users if it's possible to clean the shaver without the unit.  Of course, the moving heads make this shaver the most popular of the foil shavers and when I posted the Survey Page questions last July about high-end shavers from the major companies, the Braun Syncro was the top vote getter and in the current Survey Page for December when I asked about high-end shaver preference again, the results so far has the Braun Syncro edging out the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action.  Of course, the results can change before the month is over.  As for if it's possible to return the Braun Syncro if you don't like it, I suggest contacting the retailer first to find out what their return policy is on these shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: <AkaSpud>

Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:53 AM

I wrote last week about the Norelco Advantage as a replacement for a Panasonic, and now have some more questions. First, I'm wondering if I should go for the Advantage or perhaps the Quadra? I really do enjoy shaving in the shower, but also notice that the Quadra is Norelco's top of the line.

Are there any major reasons that would compel me to choose the Quadra? I noticed that the Advantage has a strange, snap-on trimmer -- is it as cumbersome as it looks?

This got me to thinking -- why doesn't Norelco have a wet/dry as their top of the line? I guess I'm just such a fan of the feature that I'd figure anyone who wanted the best would demand to have all bells and whistles available.

I've been so happy using Panasonics with shaving cream for so long that I'd assume all the other brands would jump to compete for this market. If I didn't need new blades and screens every other month, I probably would never switch.

Thanks again,

Scott

Thanks for your note, Scott.  Yes, the Norelco Advantage and Philishave Cool Skin shavers do look slightly bulky, but that's because of the built-in lotion dispenser.  That's also the reason why the trimmer is a click-on trimmer and not a pop-up trimmer which the Philishave/Norelco triple-head dry shavers have been featuring for years.  The Cool Skin/Advantage is Philips' first try at a men's wet/dry shaver with the rotary heads.  The current models are second generation models which use either the Nivea For Men emulsion or the new gel.  The Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action dry shavers, even though they are intended to be used dry, is completely waterproof so you can clean the shaver under the faucet.  I have a corded model (the only corded waterproof shaver) which I clean under water after unplugging the cord first.  Naturally, the Quadra Action has a pop-up trimmer.  My feeling is that Philips decided to market the Advantage and Cool Skin shavers so they would have something to compete with Panasonic's popular wet/dry shavers and offer another product line for those who want to switch from blade razors but want to retain the wet shaving experience.  If that's what you want to do, I would choose the Advantage over the Quadra Action as Philips mentioned themselves that the Quadra Action's shaving performance is better when used as a dry shaver.  I hope this helps.

From: Tony Waguespack

Date: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:40 PM

Hi Gary,

I'm 48 and I had a beard for 20 years, only using a blade razor for trimming the upper part of my cheeks and lower neck areas. Last year, I shaved the beard off entirely, and one year ago, I decided to try my hand at an electric shaver, but I didn't know what I was looking for.

So, I searched the internet, and I found this site and others. I needed some answers to questions and information on what type of electric shaver to buy along with soliciting testimonials from friends/family who had used some type of electric shaver in the present or past.

While surfing ebay, I came across what I thought was a pretty good deal on a Braun 4501 foil type shaver. The info I found suggested to me that the Braun line of foil shavers were thought of highly among many users. This particular shaver is a discontinued model, and foil and cutter parts are still available for it and on this electric shaver was a factory reconditioned shaver that I purchased for only 15 bucks on ebay, so at that price I figured I couldn't go wrong. Surprisingly I got a pretty nice shave with it... MUCH better than I had expected. Then I began to experiment with pre-shave powders, pre-shave lotions, gels, etc.

The best shave that I got with the Braun 4501 was obtained with the pre-shave ultra glide gel. I liked the shave I got with the pre-shave powder, but found it just a tad bit too messy. But the shave was excellent and very little/no irritation to speak of. I have a relatively light beard, probably the result of not shaving most of my face in 20 years.

My biggest complaint with the 4501 was the long battery recharge time and very short battery life. 16 hours is much too long to have to wait to recharge the 4501 and it only gets about 30 minutes of usable shave time, and you can't use it as a corded model.

Well back to ebay, and I got a great deal (well I think it's a great deal) on a Braun 7570 Syncro shaver NEW in factory sealed box for 119 bucks (with the clean and charge unit). Since it charges in about ONE hour time and gets a 50 minute charge capacity, I figured this would be a better situation for me. I haven't yet used it, but will do so soon (hey, it's a Christmas Present to myself <grin>) and then I'll be able to compare the differences.

I enjoy this site immensely as it is a really great forum for the exchange of information! Keep up the great work.

TonyWho

I'll try to, Tony and thanks for your note.

From: <JayPistana>

Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:23 PM

Gary,

New versus Old Norelco shavers:

A couple months ago I wrote you asking about a recommendation of buying a new Norelco Quadra Action vs. fixing my old Norelco Reflex Action. The new 6826 at Kmart was $100, and to fix the battery and blades on the old 955RX would have been $50. Well, I went with the new one hoping the new technology would justify the $50 difference. Well it did not. The OLD SHAVER IS JUST AS GOOD. I was surprised, the Quadra Action is nice and quiet, seems to work great. But after 3 weeks, it is no better that the old one. And the old one has three year old blades! The "quadra action" is all marketing hype. I'm not critiquing your advice, but want others to know that the old Norelco rotary shavers are as good as the new ones. Go find a local repair shop and get it serviced if it needs batteries or blades. Now I'll keep both shavers.

Thanks for your help and the great forum to share ideas.

JAY

Thanks for your note comparing your new and old Norelco shavers.  The reason I got my corded Philishave HQ6425 shaver is not because of a better shave, it's because of the waterproof construction allowing for easy cleaning.  It replaced the five year old corded Philishave HS775 shaver I still have and still works great, which has the same Micro Action heads as your Norelco 955RX.  I simply got tired of the tedious cleaning regimen usually associated with rotary shavers.  The only thing I miss about the new Philishave/Norelco shavers is the lack of a closeness/comfort adjustment found on my HS775 and the rechargeable Philishave HQ5865 first generation Reflex Action shaver which I still use when travelling.

From: Jack Mazafi

Date: Sunday, December 16, 2001 2:29 PM

My two cents:

I've used the Norelco quadra action, Braun Syncro and the Panasonic linear (mod# 8068) and by far the closest shave is from the Panasonic. If you use it in the shower with edge gel, it's identical to a blade shave. If you use it dry, it's the closest you'll get to blade shave from an electric.

Thanks for giving your two cents, Jack.

From: Larry Benjamin

Date: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:08 PM

I can see that some of your readers are trying to decide between a Braun Syncro 7570 and the Norelco Quadra 6885 XL. Epinions has what appears to be a very thoughtful and thorough review and comparison of the two at http://www.epinions.com/content_15585873540 Keep in mind, this is only one person's experience and opinion.

Thanks for the tip. Larry.

From: "Susan Sullivan"

Date: Saturday, December 15, 2001 7:44 PM

Hello. My brother has started to grow a beard and I thought I would like to buy him a beard trimmer. Is there any model which you might recommend?

Thanks for the question, Susan.  Wearing a goatee, I feel I'm qualified to give you an opinion.  Presently, I use a Philips beard trimmer which is about two generations back compared to the new versions of Philishave/Norelco beard trimmers currently available.  I like the adjustable guard so I can make the beard shorter above my upper lip which is my preference.  The current Philips beard trimmers are more ergonomic too.  Check out the Philishave (or Norelco in the USA) links in the shaver company section of the Electric Shaver Page to check out their offerings.  I hope this helps.

From: Solomon Myers

Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:29 AM

Subject: TELL MR. STEEL BEARD

Hi Gary. As promised, an update on the Braun Interface I previously reported on---The short update is that I went back to the Norelco Quadra Action I was using before, but with one change. Instead of Remington Face Powder (no longer readily available in Chicago anymore), I switched to Williams Lectric Ultraglide. This stuff is good and I only use a little bit.

I've also determined that for my curly thick beard, the Quadra works best for me (i.e. no neck irritation) if I run the razor over my face in a short quick circular motion,pulling the skin tight, with one long straight against the grain sweep at the end. The short quick circlular motion allows me to press a little harder (to catch those nasty curly tough to get hairs) without any neck irritation. I know others have stated that they thought a slower and/or longer motion was better, but I believe it to be equally responsible for my past neck irritation (along with pressing too hard). I realized that the shaving method is almost as important as which razor you buy. I would encourage new razor owners to spend more time experimenting on the shaving method before giving up on the razor. What works for one beard type, might not work as well for another.

The Braun Interface, worked well and I am keeping it for my cheap (I don't care if it breaks or I lose it) travel razor. But as my face became used to it, my shaves became less close and took longer. Also, the noise it makes drove me crazy. Finally, I really hated cleaning it with the brush. The Quadra can simply be rinsed and doesn't even need that more than once a week or so.

Keep up the great web work,

Solomon Myers

I'll try to, Solomon and thanks for telling your experience.  Now I'm wondering where Williams Lectric Ultraglide is available in my area which is in southeastern Michigan.

From: Anita Biedrzycki

Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:55 AM

Hello,

My husband has hinted a bid about trying an electric shaver so I'd like to buy him one for Christmas but there are sooo many choices. He has very sensitive skin and a very rough beard / shadow. He has to shave everyday but doing so rips his skin apart. He tried an electric shaver years ago and hated it so I don't want to buy another bad / cheap shaver he'll hate.

Can you offer me any suggestions?

Thanks,

Anita

Thanks for your question, Anita.  You probably can guess from reading my previous posts that I would recommend a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action or Reflex Action shaver, but others have their own suggestions of which the top one currently is a Braun Syncro shaver.  I hope you've been following the Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings and the Survey Pages for additional suggestions.  

From: <AkaSpud>

Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:29 AM

I've been a dedicated Panasonic user for over a decade, and have been relatively happy with them. I haven't tried anything else since I had a Remington in the mid-80's. I've been attached to the Panasonics because of the wet/dry feature -- I enjoy using it with shaving cream, and find it a pretty good shave when using it in the shower.

Recently, I noticed in your column that Norelco's Advantage is a wet/dry as well. Since you seem to such a fan of the rotarys, I'm now interested as well. A few questions:

1: How well does the Advantage work with water? Do you have to use that Nivia goo, or can I use the shaver with plain old shaving cream like with my Panasonic?

2: How will replacement parts costs compare to Panasonics? I have a very thick beard, and I wear down the cutting heads and foil screens very quickly (especially the screens). How well do these hold up on the Norelcos, and how often should I expect to replace them?

3: On a related note, the Panasonic batteries are infamous for having short, irreplaceable lives. Do the Norelco batteries last, and can they be easily replaced?

4: What is it like using a rotary? As I said, I have a thick beard and straight whiskers. Would a rotary work well for me? And how do you cut around your sideburns with a Norelco without chopping it off??

5: If I don't like it, is it easy to return?

Thanks in advance for your help, and your public service in maintaining this helpful site.

Scott

Thanks for your note and your kind words, Scott.  I'll try to answer your questions about the Norelco Advantage (aka Philishave Cool Skin) this way:

1.  The reason for the Nivea lotion is two-fold.  The convenience of having the lotion dispenser inside the shaver and the lotion minimizes irritation.  There are users who tried similar gels and lotions besides what comes out of the dispenser with satisfactory results.  I don't think shaving cream is a good idea unless it says that it's soothing to the skin.  I do not recommend plain water without anything soothing as you skin can get irritated.

2.  The replacement heads for the Norelco Advantage and Philishave Cool Skin is sold as HQ167 and Goodman's sells it for US$25.95.  Goodman's sells the Panasonic WES9075P screen for US$21.95 and the WES9070P cutters for US$19.95 for a total of US$41.90.  If the screen becomes damaged, it must be replaced.  The Philishave/Norelco heads are sturdier and Philips recommends that they be replaced once a year.  Panasonic recommends that the foil be replaced at least every year and the cutters at least every two years.

3.  The Philishave/Norelco batteries from my experience last an average of five years.  While I don't have a blow-up diagram of all the shavers mentioned, I think with all waterproof shavers that the batteries be replaced professionally so that the shaver remains waterproof.

4.  Rotary shavers are very quiet, do not vibrate, shave your whiskers in every direction and I've been happy with the shaving performance for several years.  As to my sideburns, I use the sideburn trimmer and I have a tendency to make my sideburns longer over time instead of chopping them off.

5.  As for if the Norelco Advantage is easy to return, I'll let Norelco tell you that at http://www.norelco.com/norisk/ which would obviously be for users in the USA.

I hope this helps.

From: "Andy Levitt"

Date: Sunday, December 09, 2001 8:45 PM

Hi Gary,

As you are a rotary shaver aficionado, I was wondering if you had any advance knowledge about the new Remington TCT rotary shaver, which I first heard of from a television advertisement today. Do you have any information as to how the Remington rotaries compare to the Norelcos?

By the way, have you noticed that the number of electric shaver advertisements increases dramatically as the holidays approach?

Speaking of that, happy holidays to you and thanks for maintaining the electric shaver nerve center on the web!

Andy Levitt

Thanks for your questions, Andy.  I was able to get details on this new Remington shaver from both their official web site and from the Mercury Shaver Centre web site.  Remington, for legal reasons, couldn't make the shavers exactly like rival Philips.  For example, Philips still has the patents for the Lift & Cut and Reflex Action technologies.  So Remington has been using two rows of cutters on each head so it has more blades than its rivals.  The heads themselves adjust more but they couldn't make the entire head assembly flex because of Philips' patents.  They did make the shaver waterproof, but it does not mention wet/dry use so I would assume the MicroFlex Ultra TCT  is supposed to be used dry.  Their high-end model, the R9300, can be found at http://www.remington-products.com/products/mshavers/mfr9300.html in Remington's official web site and it does have some nice features.  I did notice that these shavers are not available everywhere in the world and I believe it's because Philips holds still valid patents in many countries which prevent Remington from marketing rotary shavers in those countries.  Yes, the shaver ads increase during the holiday season as that is THE peak sales period for shaver companies.  I hope this helps and happy holidays.

From: David

Date: Thursday, December 06, 2001 5:20 PM

I have a question for you, the guru of shavers or anyone else regarding my brand new "Remington 3 TCT". I have always had the triple rotary head type razor, and I just purchased the Remington razor. I turned it on and the noise it made scared my wife, kids and the cats right out of the room!!!

It is a vibration sound similar to a hair clipper. The rotary shavers were never this noisy. Do all these linear type shavers make this type of noise or did I just buy a particular noisy one? By the way....it cuts fast and smooth!!!!! Let me know your valuable opinion.

Happy Holidays!!!

Thanks...David

You're welcome, David and thanks for your question.  The noise problem you mention is normal for shavers with reciprocating cutters which includes most foil shavers.  It's something that foil shaver users get used to.  I hope you get used to it as you seem to enjoy the shaving performance.

From: "Amy"

Date: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM

My husband has requested an electric shaver for Christmas, but I'm unsure what would be a best buy for him. I'll be shopping in the U.S.

My husband has a goatee, but already has a beard trimmer. I think this function (the pop-up trimmer) would be a nice bonus so he can use only one tool, but isn't a necessity. He has normal-to-sensitive skin, usually uses shave gel, and usually shaves before taking a shower (not sure why). I don't know if he has a preference between foil and raised head shavers.

Mostly, he's looking for an easier, quicker way to shave that's provides a close shave.

Your site seems incredibly informative (almost too informative for a dilettente like me), so do you have any suggestions? Price isn't really an issue, but I'm not looking for the best shaver in the universe - just a good shaver at a not-ridiculous price.

Thanks!

Thanks for your note, Amy.  Concerning moderately priced dry shavers, Braun's Flex Integral line seems to be the choice for foil shavers and the Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action is the choice for rotary shavers.  Both product lines have pop-up trimmers.  I hope this helps.

From: Ben

Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:30 PM

Dear Gary,

I'm after what most guys are after, the perfect shave. Not too much to ask for, right? My needs are simple: a quick (including cleanup), thorough, irritation-free everyday shave. Unfortunately, I have not been able to accomplish this with a razor. Even the revered Mach 3, an admirable product, burns my lower neck and jaws if used more than once per week. I bought a Remington Microscreen 3 TA4570 in the summer of 98, and was very happy with the quality of the shave and absence of redness and bumps. Only problem was the cleanup took about 5 minutes extra (a liability considering I like to wake up 30 minutes before work) and required a brush and extra caution not to damage the blades and foil. And the battery ran out after only 3 months (even with proper charging), but it operated with the cord so ok. Almost three years later, I threw it out, dumb move I know, but figured that the new Remington TCT line would be even better. Forget it. The MS3-2000 is one of the worst shavers I've ever tried. The pop-up trimmer, which can now be partially extended, is definitely inferior to its predecessor's in terms of cutting ability. Also, the foil is too slow and misses hairs. The only real advantage over the TA4570 is that its washable, which dramatically curtails clean-up time. So after only three months with the TCT ("Total Closeness Technology") I got fed up and went back to buy a different shaver. Although brand loyalty and the desire to buy American (I know, the shaver is made in Guangzhou, China) had kept me with Remington thus far, I felt my obligation to them had waned. So I turned to the next three major brands: Norelco, Braun, and Panasonic. I had used Norelco plenty of times as well and felt that its rotary design missed too many hairs and promoted neck rash (one salesman attributed this to the low-power motor) Braun, which is made in West Germany but owned by Gillette, featured some very sleek and innovative models, but their flagship, the Synchro 7570, seemed too gimicky with its bulky cleaning apparatus and expensive cleaning solution.

Yes, the solution is easy to make with low cost ingriedients and the unit is also sold without a cleaning stand, but the Panasonic 8067S appeared better suited to my needs. First, it is not only washable, but fully immersible. Second, its motor is very powerful (more so than the Remington which is fairly strong) and its construction was extremely solid, versus the flimsy, cheap-feeling (albeit lighter) Remington. Most importantly, however, its shave is superb. Of all the electrics I've tried, this one most closely approximates a blade. The neck hairs do require some manuevering and perhaps use of the pop-up trimmer (the best i've seen), but the Panasonic does the trick even on a dark beard. I wish it were perfect at removing hairs (no shaver is likely to be 100% effective in the near future) and quieter--the supposedly less-powerful Norelco exhibits much less noise, though nothing is louder than the Remington. I'd like to know, however, how long the battery will probably last and when it goes, am I better off replacing it or the shaver? I've heard that batteries can cost $30-$60 US and installation charges may be extra. The battery compartment does not appear user-accessible, and I doubt that it can be installed and removed without the use of special tools. One final note to your readers: If you do buy battery-operated shavers, spring for the charge gauge.  I didn't (out of haste, not thrift) and am always left guessing when the device will need recharging. Thank you for your attention and for the valuable information you provide.

Ben Wilson

You're welcome, Ben and thanks for your note telling your experience with different shavers.  My experience with rechargeable batteries is that they last an average of five years before they lose their ability to hold a charge.  I've been babying my  five  year old electric toothbrush to try and stretch the battery life by keeping the charging stand plugged in all the time.  I use my rechargeable shaver (with charge gauge) only when travelling so that stretches battery life.  While replacement batteries are becoming widely available, you need to be handy with a soldering iron to replace them.  So it's a matter of comparing new shavers with the cost of replacing the batteries to determine what to do.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "John Carroll"

Date: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:35 PM

Thanks for the good work. I have a comment and a question, both dealing with issues and questions other readers have offered. I've tried the Braun Synchro, Norelco Quadra, Norelco Advantage, and Norelco Reflex Action. The Advantage was by far the best. It took me a while to get used to the shave-cream dispenser, but I also found that just using regular shave gel (Nivea makes two types, but I'm sure others would be fine) worked even better. But since the Quadra can be rinsed clean, shouldn't it be possible to use it with shave gel? Has anyone tried this? Someone asked this recently about the Braun Synchro, but I'm curious about the Quadra.

Thanks.

John C.

Thanks for your note and the kind words, John.  That's a good question to ask.  I did try the Philishave Quadra Action with the Williams Lectric Shave Ultra gel.  They call it a gel but I thought it was more watery.  As for shaving gel which you would normally use with a blade razor, I haven't found an opinion on using a shaving gel with the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver.  I should stress that the Quadra Action is intended to be used as a dry shaver.  I was told by Philips that the shaving performance worsens when shaving wet as opposed to shaving dry.  If anyone who has tried a shaving gel with the Quadra Action can tell his opinion, please do so.  I hope this helps.

From: "Wayne Uhl"

Date: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:41 PM

Gary-

My teenage son wants a new shaver for Christmas. He does not like rotary (he has tried my Norelco). He has been using a Braun 100 with a broken foil. His one criterion is that we get him a shaver that is QUIETER than his current shaver. Since we are sending him off to college in a year, I think we will also go for rechargeable.

I checked your page and found very little on quietness. Any suggestions?

Wayne Uhl

Thanks for your inquiry, Wayne.  Foil shavers are notorious for being noisy.  Rotary shavers ae quieter.  This sounds like a possible question to put in the January Survey Page.  The closest thing I found which mentioned noise level is Epinions which lists shavers at http://www.epinions.com/well-Personal-Electric_Razors-All   I checked out the comments on the most talked about shaver right now, the Braun Syncro.  A quick check mentioned the noise level as between average and quieter than most based on whose opinions you read.  You may want to check the comments on other models they list.  I hope this helps.

From: "fitzs"

Date: Friday, November 30, 2001 6:14 AM

Hi Mr. Steel Beard,

I'm wondering if you have any info/feedback on Eltron shavers. I bought one for my husband several years ago from Norm Thompson catalog, but they no longer carry them. I was able to find new ones on the internet, but I was wondering if they're as good as the older models. My husband really likes his old one, but the pop-up trimmer no longer works, and the foil is shot. I realize I could probably get it repaired somewhere, but I would really like to get him a new one for Christmas. Any info you can offer would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

Donna

Thanks for your inquiry, Donna.  I haven't found much info (besides what the on-line stores mention) on Eltron shavers.  I haven't received enough E-mail giving user experiences with Eltron shavers to give an opinion.  But I can give you a suggestion to check out the Payer electric shaver web site in the list of shaver manufacturers I maintain.  Payer makes most of the Eltron shavers so you can compare their specs with the specs of the on-line retailers who sell Eltron (and Payer) shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: Philip N. Sternklar

Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:42 PM

I just wanted to let you know about the GREAT experience I had with Hans at Mercury Shaving Center. I ordered a Braun 7570 and 3 days later it was at my door. Hans answered all my questions and was helpful. BTW the Braun is replacing a Panasonic ES805. So far less irritation, but it's only been a few days. Thanks for having Mercury as a link and thanks for all the work you do to maintain this page.

Philip N. Sternklar

Thanks for your note and the kind words Philip, as well as the endorsement for Mercury Shaver Centre of Toronto which is one of my sponsored links.

From: "Curtin, Noel"

Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:42 PM

I once owned a 1963 Philips Philishave model 7970 shaver but unfortunately broke it years ago and I'm now desperate to find a replacement. I've tried many other electric razors but the 7970 has been the only shaver I've ever owned that hasn't irritated my skin. Do you know of any stores that would sell something like this? Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Noel

P.S. Please feel free to list my email address in case any visitors to the site have a shaver within their possession

Sure, Noel and thanks for your note.  Looking up that model, the Philishave/Norelco SC7970 shaver is Philips' very first cordless shaver.  It operates on four AA size batteries.  You can try looking at the on-line auction sites, such as eBay, often to see if this shaver is listed.  Of course, if anyone has any tips on how to obtain the Philishave/Norelco SC7970 battery operated shaver, please let us know.

From: Crowe

Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:52 PM

I am 17 years old and have been using a Mach 3 razor for a few years. It gives a great shave but gives me razor burn sometimes, is expensive, and takes a pretty long time to get a close shave. I was hoping that an electric would be the answer to my problems. But I cannot decide what shaver I should try. I am only 17 so I can not afford a top of the line model. Im not sure if a foil or rotary would be better for me either. What are my options? Also what is preshave?

Thanks

You're welcome and thanks for your questions.  I've had some bad experiences with low-end shavers.  If you can find one in the middle of the line or, if you don't mind plugging in the shaver all the time, a corded version of a high-end shaver.  There are people who prefer foil shavers and there are users who prefer rotary shavers.  I hope you've been following the other Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings and the Survey Page questions--both current and past questions.  It mainly depends on how are whiskers are--thin or thick, straight or curly, etc.  Being so young, I would think you would choose a low end shaver and, though I don't know where you live, here in the USA or nearby Canada, I would suggest a Remington MicroScreen 2 or 3 model or a Braun Flex Integral.  For a rotary model, I prefer a low end version of a Philishave/Norelco Reflex Action shaver but be careful with lower-end shavers which could irritate your skin.  To minimize irritation, a preshave preparation, to answer your last question, is what you could use before you shave.  I use a powder stick, but lotions also do the job of making your skin smoother and helping to straighten whiskers so that you shave with fewer strokes and the fewer the strokes, the less irritation.  I hope this answers your questions.

From: Paul A. Ledford

Date: Sunday, November 25, 2001 11:16 PM

What's the "real" difference between the "new" Panasonic Linear Shaver Model No. ES8068N and the "old" Panasonic Linear Shaver Mod. No. ES8065?

Thanks.

Paul

Grand Rapids, MI

Thanks for your question, Paul.  I'm assuming you are asking about the shaving differences between the new ES8068N and the old ES8065 Panasonic Linear shavers.  As far as I can tell, none.  They both use the same replacement foil, Panasonic part number WES9075P which consists of the foil with "frame assembly" and it fits the models ES762 ES765 ES766 ES881 ES882 ES883 ES7003 ES7006 ES7008 ES8065 ES8066 ES8067 ES8068.  The only difference between the ES8068 and the ES8068N is that the ES8068N has a battery monitor.  I hope this helps.

From: Tom in Orlando

Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:33 PM

I have heavy beard growth and have been using an electric razor for 4years, both the Panasonic Linear and the Norelco Reflex. per many other posts, the Panasonic provides a pretty close shave, but has trouble with the neck area. The Reflex shaves just as close, but is better on the neck, with less irritation. However, I decided I want the perfect shave, so I decided to try out the Braun Synchro, Norelco Quadra, and the new Norelco Advantage, and keep my favorite. Here are the results of my "comparison test":

1. Braun Synchro

Per the instructions, I first tried shaving before washing, without pre-shave. This irritated my face, and did not provide as close a shave as the Reflex. Needless to say, I was disappointed given all the hype surrounding the synchro. I then tried it after showering, with Lectric Shave Ultra Glide, just like I did with the Reflex. Big improvement in closeness and comfort, but no better than the Reflex.

2. Norelco Quadra

Shaving after showering, with Ultra Glide, provided a very close and comfortable shave, better than the reflex and Synchro. The ability to rinse the razor under hot water is a big improvement. This is an excellent razor, and I was pretty sure I had found my winner. Surprisingly, I was wrong!

3. Norelco Advantage 6756

I first tried this razor in the shower, wet, with the lotion and gel that came with it. The shave was pretty good, but not as good as the quadra. I next tried it after showering and after my face had dried, like the other razors. Incredible. Not only was the shave closer than the Quadra, it was more comfortable as well. I even verified the closeness by shaving half my face with the Quadra and half with the advantage, and asked my wife which side was closer, and she confirmed the Advantage was closest. The only downside to this razor is the cost of the lotion/gel packets, which is obviously more than Lectric Shave, which I would use with the Quadra.

I hope this helps anyone looking at the new top of the line razors. Also, I would be interested in hearing anyone else's experience with these razors.

I'm sure it would, Tom.  Thanks for the comparisons between the Braun Syncro, the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action and the model 6756 Norelco Advantage (aka Philishave Cool Skin) shavers.

From: Bill & Toni Adkinson

Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:15 AM

Subject: TELL MR STEEL BEARD

I am planning to get my husband a new electric shaver for Christmas, and am having trouble deciding which one to buy. The Panasonic 8068 or the Panasonic PA821 that Sharper Image offers for a whopping $299.95. Can it really be worth that much? And how come I can find that model only at Sharper Image. Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated - and I promise I'll have my husband relate his experiences, tips or suggestions to you in return. Thank you - Toni Adkinson

Thanks for your note, Toni.  The Panasonic PA821 is an exclusive model offered only by The Sharper Image, as their web site indicates. This was proven when I tried the search engines when using the model number PA821 with both Panasonic and National (the brand Matsushita uses in some parts of the world instead of Panasonic).  I think US$300 is a lot to pay for a shaver.  Of course, the 8068 is widely available so I would choose this model instead.  I hope this helps.

From: Chris Culkin

Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:54 PM

Knock out site Gary!

Looking into the Advantage or Quadra or Braun Syncro series for Christmas

I have sensitive skin that does not agree with pre and post-shave lotions that promise comfortable skin. My best experience with lotions is a product called Spectra-gel recommended by my doctor and available at any drugstore. I have been using this gel with a cheap old Philishave unit and have not been worried about its damaging affects on the unit. In choosing a shaver it is crucial to have a comfortable shave with non-irritated skin. The debate over closeness around the neck area is not relevant to my shaving needs. That is one area my skin doesn't mind using a razor. While I need to look professional I don't want to have to repeatedly go over missed spots because that can cause irritation. I'd rather look professional with a bit of a 5 o'clock shadow rather than look professional with red blotches. I shave daily or once every two days and have medium thick hair. I am hoping to find a compromise given my shaving needs; foremost kindness to my skin. And I have come up with a few questions that I hope other people will be curious to have answered as well. It would be greatly appreciated if you and the readers out there could assist me with my decision.

1. What is the difference between Philips and Norelco shavers? Is the shaving technology the same for comparable units?

2. How about the shaving technology between the Advantage and Quadra shavers?( that is the manufacturer specs on the units themselves and not so much the personal experiences with wet and dry shaving)

3. Has anyone experimented for at least a month or so using a cream or lotion on their face while shaving with the Quadra or Syncro? If the Syncro can be cleaned with a liquid could it then be possible to shave with lotion or cream if cleaned routinely (granted this would void any warranties) ?

4. My skin is sensitive and it is important that the shaver doesn't heat up ( too much). For a shave time of about 5 minutes ( definitely under 10 mins) which shaver among Quadra or Syncro remains relatively cooler? ( This is probably not an issue with shower proof shavers)

Thanks for your note and the kind words, I'll try and answer your questions:

1.  The only difference between Philips' Philishave and Norelco shavers are the names on the shavers.  The technology is identical.  Some accessories which come with the shavers may vary.  For example, the Norelco 6885XL sold in the USA comes with a soft travel pouch whilst the Philishave HQ6885 sold in Canada comes with a sturdy storage cassette which is my preference as when I travel, I prefer the storage case to take the travelling blows, not the shaver inside it.  What is called the Norelco Advantage in the USA is called the Philishave Cool Skin elsewhere.

2.  Philips' Cool Skin/Advantage and Quadra Action shavers are both waterproof shavers, but only the Cool Skin/Advantage is intended to be used in a wet environment, such as during showering.  The Cool Skin/Advantage uses a charging stand and cannot be plugged in.  The Quadra Action works either corded or cordless (and corded only Philishave Quadra Action models are available outside the USA).  The Quadra Action cord is a special one with a transformer inside the plug going into the wall so that the Quadra Action operates at a lower voltage for safety reasons.  The Quadra Action line of shavers is immerseable, but please unplug the shaver before getting it wet!  So both the Cool Skin/Advantage and Quadra Action shavers are easy to clean using water under the tap.

As for questions 3 and 4, because I have not used a Braun Syncro shaver, I'll reserve the answering of those questions to others who read this who have used both the Braun Syncro and the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: Lisa & Curt Sharkey

Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 12:38 AM

I have what I believe to be a slow growing course textured beard. It doesn't grow enough each day to get a good close shave but it grows to much to go every other day. I currently use edge pro gel and a mach 3 razor. I had used a Norelco electric but it tore up my neck and my skin felt like it was on fire after words. I can't grow a beard to save my life but I have thick/course neck hairs and also in my cheek area. I get ingrown hairs and rashes in these areas from the repeated razor strokes from my slow growing beard. If I don't shave over the weekend come Monday my beard comes right off but the rest of the week feels like I am pulling sand paper over my face.

The Norelco Quadra/advantage ads caught my eye and through consumer search I found your site. I also must say I wish I knew of this site earlier, IT IS GREAT!

After reading the site I am leaning towards the Braun Synchro. It seems to have the least neck irritation. Would I be better off with a foil shaver or a rotary for my neck/cheek/goatee area?

Thanx again for the site. I will visit your sponsors so as not to lose this valuable resource.

Curt

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Curt.  From many peoples' experiences over the years, rotary shavers are better at shaving the neck area as opposed to foil shavers.  I usually use a pre-shave when I can't glide my shaver smoothly in order to shave with fewer strokes and the fewer the strokes, the less irritation.  The Braun Syncro does look promising with its head moving in four directions so you can shave whiskers growing in different directions better which has been a problem with my neck.  This would make for a better shave around the neck area, I would think.  This also has me thinking about the December Survey Page asking which high-end shaver shaves the neck area better for one of the questions.  If anyone can tell their experience shaving with the Braun Syncro around the neck area, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: "Randy Bennett"

Date: Saturday, November 17, 2001 9:27 AM

Gary, thanks for the helpful and reassuring reply, much appreciate!

I just got a rebuilt ES8068 and looking forward to shaving without small cuts all over my chin in particular.

That brings up a big question I have and maybe is something for your forum.

What is the best to put on one's face--soap, oil of some kind, shaving gel, cream, and any particular brand or type when shaving, especially for tender/sensitive skin and a tough beard.

Thanks for any answer or directing me to a source or person that has it.

Randy

Thanks for the kind words and I'm glad that my reply to your earlier private E-mail was useful.  As for this public reply regarding shaving preparations, I had posted a Survey Page from September 2000 which had a question on preferences concerning wet shaving preparations.  On that survey, 70% prefer using a shaving gel.  I hope this helps and if anyone has any other suggestions, please let us know.

From: Jeff Abrams

Date: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:46 AM

Hi Gary,

Firstly, I want to say that I firmly believe that your site is the brightest beacon on the internet for electric razor aficionados. This is where I learned all about the concept of electronic shaving. The truth is, Greg, that after looking at your fantastic site I did not buy one single electric razor. No, no, no. I bought three. Now some people may wonder why I did this. Well, I am looking for the perfect shave. I need to shave everyday, so I want the most efficient product I can find. This is my quest. As a note, I wanted to specify that my beard type is straight, and of medium coarseness. I felt the best way to write this was to give pros and cons of the different methods I used. Included is the use of shaving cream and pre-electric shave lotion. Hope this helps out anyone who is looking for a good shave.

When using this razor, I shaved exclusively against the grain of my beard.

Mach3 razor:

W/out shaving cream (just hot water):

Pros: CLOSEST shave of any method introduced to me. Neck hairs are very easy to cut with this shaver. For me, I was also able to shave at a pace that was quicker than any other method of shaving introduced to me.

Cons: Severe razor-burn if this razor was used daily. My neck looked like I was trying to slit my throat. I had to fit new razor heads after 4 or 5 shaves. These heads are pretty expensive.

W/Shaving Cream:

Pros: Same as above

Cons: Razor-burn and cuts were significantly worse

With this shaver, I shaved by pulling my skin around the shaver taught. I mostly shaved in a circular motion, or when the going went rough, shaved against the grain of my beard.

Norelco 6885XL

w/out pre-shave lotion:

Pros: NO skin irritation at all. This shaver did a fairly good job on my neck, in a reasonable amount of time.The truth is, when shaving with this razor I didn't even know I was being shaved. I like the water cleaning option, as well as the no-frills charging cord.

Cons: This shaver feels cheap to me. It feels as though it has no real shaving power. I don't feel comfortable shaving my face, because I can't see what I am shaving. I always feel that I am missing a spot. The shave for me, is not at all close. The pop-up trimmer did absolutely nothing for me. The monthly cleaning instructions (pull out the heads..etc) seemed rather tedious to me.

W/pre-shaving lotion

Pros: Same as above. Little bit of a smoother,closer shave.

Cons: Same as above. Only a little bit of a closer, smoother shave.

At first I move this shaver against the grain of my beard ( on my face) in total vertical movements. I then shave at a 45 degree angle to the grain towards my ears. On my neck, I do the same, except on the second part I shave toward my chin. As a note, during all of this stretch my skin according to what I am shaving:)

Panasonic Linear 8066k

w/out shaving lotion

Pros: Absolutely love the wet/dry feature. Firstly, one can clean this shaver with gel soap. Secondly, due to the nature of wet/dry one can experiment with different mediums on the face (i.e. lotions, water, powder..etc). Every shaver should have it. Great travel piece. The shave on my face is very close and smooth. The pop-up trimmer is excellent. Best I have seen so far on an electric shaver. As a note: the shave on my neck is fair-see cons below. I like the feel of the razor. Very Substantial

Cons: HORRIFIC razor-burn on my neck. Much worse than the Mach 3 ever did. I get cuts and nicks like one wouldn't believe. The shave on my neck is about 3.5 out of 5 at best, and most definitely not worth the razor burn. I also feel slight razor burn on my face after shaving. That is really my only complaint. All be it a five star complaint!

W/pre-shaving lotion

Pros: Same as above. Much closer shave, and slightly smoother.

Cons: I thought razor-burn was horrible before....WOW, this thing just chews up my neck. I can't shave for usually 2 days after using this shaver and pre- shaving lotion. However, I do get a fairly better shave on my neck with the lotion. Like that makes a difference. I can't see my neck anyway because it is beet red and bloody.

I use this shaver exactly as I use the Panasonic Linear above.

W/out Pre-shave lotion

Pros: The shaving ability on the face, to me, is approximately the same as the linear without the razor burn. I would rate it as a 4.5/5.0; The Mach three would be a 5.0/5.0 in this area. The neck shave also makes me pretty happy. I rate the neck shave at about 3.5-4.0/5.0. See pros of "w/pre-lotion shave" below. There is little or no irritation to speak of on my neck after using this shaver. I also deeply love my razor cleaner. So darned easy to use. The razor is always fresh and clean, and ready to use in an hour. I think that the pivoting head really helps me in the neck shaving area. I also like the feel of the razor. Substantial.

Cons: Still isn't a close or as fast a shave as the mach 3 razor is. In fact I would say that the amount of time shaving with all of the electric razors has been horrible. It can take me from 6 minutes to 15 minutes to shave. Not much lower than 6 minutes ever. The pop up trimmer is pretty much worthless. This is not a great travel piece, unless you don't mind manually cleaning out the razor. As there is just no safe way that I can think of to transport the cleaner; umm very flammable comes to mind. Also of all the shavers I have, this is the only one that is a pure dry only shaver. While this is not extremely important, I would buy a new Braun Syncro xxxx if it had the wet/dry function ( I need a less expensive hobby).

W/pre-lotion

Pros: Much smoother, closer and faster shave. Mostly noticeable when I shave my neck. This brings up the score of shaving my neck to about a 4.3/5.0 on most days.

Cons: Still no razor irritation on the neck, however, some nicks do develop in that region.

As an addendum, I wanted to state that I tried to give ample break in time for each razor. I haved shaved with the Mach 3 for about 3-4 years. The Norelco, about 3 weeks. The Braun, about a month and a half. I skimped on the Panasonic trials (about a week and a half) due to the skin irritation. Overall, I use the Braun the most. If I have any skin irritation I use the Norelco. When traveling I use the Panasonic. I don't use the Mach 3 anymore. If you can suggest a way to cut down on my shaving time ,with any shaver, please help a poor guy out. I hope this helps someone, somewhere.

Jeff Abrams

Detroit, Michigan

Thanks for your note comparing different shavers and the Gillette Mach 3 razor, Jeff.  My preferred method to shave, er, I mean SAVE shaving time with an electric shaver is to use a pre-shave which you already noted the advantages of.  My favourite pre-shave is the Remington FaceSaver powder stick.  I hope this helps.

From: Solomon Myers

Date: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:22 PM

Hi Gary,

Just some comments about my experiences with the Quadra Action and the Braun Interface (which you say you don't get many comments about). First off, I have medium to thick whiskers and I'm prone to get ingrown hairs on my neck. My neck hair grows in all directions.

I've been using the Braun Interface for about a week now and am very happy with everything about it. Most important of course is the shave quality. I get a very close shave with no lotion or face powder. I've shaved before washing as Braun recommends, and also after showering. Either way I get the same great result. Within three days of using this product, the irritation on my neck from my Quadra Action which I had been previously using completely disappeared. My face does not hurt at all during the shaving process or afterward. Moreover, that reciprocating cutter really does trim the long hairs and catch the curly ones so the foil can shave them close.

Other than shave quality, the major benefits of this razor are: 1) price--I paid $29.99 (US) at K Mart (rechargeable model 2612); 2) NiMH environmentally friendly batteries, as opposed to NiCads for the Norelco Quadra Action; 3) high quality small sized cloth carrying case for razor, brush, & cord; 4) charges in one hour; and 5) my shave time has been reduced from seven or eight minutes with the Quadra Action to only three or four minutes with the Braun Intercept. The only disadvantage is that the razor is somewhat louder than the the Quadra Action, but not as loud as some Remingtons I've used in the past.

Before the Braun intercept, I'd been using the Quadra Action for a little over one year. Generally, I got a close shave when I prepped with the Remington face powder you recommend so highly. Without the Remingtin face powder, the shave with the Quadra Action isn't nearly as good for me. Also, I find that the Quadra Action doesn't always catch the longer hairs on the neck which grow next to the skin. Consequently, I either press harder when shaving or go over the same area several times, either way, it causes skin irritation. Also, my shaving time with the Quadra Action, in order to get a good shave is about seven or eight minutes, much longer than I'd like. Finally, I have trouble getting a close shave in the mustache area or getting a clean edge near the sideburns. Moreover, the sideburn trimmer doesn't work so well and is not wide enough for my sideburns.

All that said, I was planning on sticking with the Quadra Action because I like the washability, the ergonomic feel, the long time interval between recharging, the quiet operation, and I just plain think it looks cool. However, I've found that many stores no longer carry the Remington face powder (including Walgreens in Chicago) and I don't like the alcohol in the lotions. Lately I'd been shaving without any prep after showering, making sure my face is completely dry, but I was not completely happy with the shave quality. I was hoping the shave quality would improve over time.

Toward that end, I decided it was time to replace the heads and blades on the Quadra Action as recommended. I went to the local K Mart for that purpose and found them at $32 US. However, that was when I noticed the Braun Interface (rechargeable model 2612). It cost only $29.99, less than the replacement heads and blades for the Quadra Action. I decided to give it a try.

I'll stick with the Braun Intercept for now and update you after I've used it for a while longer. Keep up the good work with the web site.

Solomon Myers

I'll try to, Solomon.  Thanks for telling your experience comparing the Braun InterFace with the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers.  BTW, when I last checked, Meijer still had the Remington powder stick.

From: "Arnie & Linda"

Date: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:43 AM

Subject: TELL MR. STEEL BEARD

My husband hasn't used an electric razor for years but now wants to try one again. He had problems with rotary (Norelco) types in the past and wants a foil type. He has sensitive skin and relatively soft, fine facial hair (except more coarse on the neck), which he believes causes more problems for electric razors than other beard types. Is there a foil shaver that does well on soft hair?

Thanks,

Linda

Thanks for your inquiry, Linda.  I would suggest a combination foil and slotted head shaver.  Braun's Interface and some Panasonic/National models have both a foil and slotted head.  I would also suggest using a pre-shave preparation, such as the Remington FaceSaver powder stick, to make the face more slippery so you can get a satisfactory shave with fewer strokes and fewer strokes mean less irritation.  I hope this helps and if others have suggestions about foil shavers which shave softer whiskers well, please let us know.

From: David Dobson

Date: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:36 PM

BRAUN SYNCHRO CLEANER SUBSTITUTE FORMULA

Hi Gary,

This is further comment to those of Yoel Jacobsen on his Braun Sunchro Formula except this is more for American/Canadian readers. And it also goes a bit farther by duplicating the lemon fresh scent. This should save you a little bit, depending on how much you pay for the Alcohol vs. the best price for the cartridge refills.

Buy a bottle of “EVERCLEAR” grain alcohol (this is 95% alcohol or 190 proof available at most liquor stores)

Small bottle of lemon extract (available at any grocery store)

Directions:

Rinse out and shake out the empty cartridge a few times until there is no residue left

Air dry , or if you are in a hurry, use a hair dryer to dry the inside.

Use a measuring cup and pour approx 150 to 160 ml of alcohol (2/3 cup) into the empty cartridge

Add 5 caps of lemon extract (using the small bottle)

You now have a near duplicate mixture of the Braun Synchro cleaner. Works Great!

Regards,

D. Dobson

Thanks for the tip, David.

From: Jay Pistana

Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:48 PM

Gary,

Love your site, been here several times researching a new purchase. The past survey results were very helpful. Do you have any other objective studies on shavers, you know, like Consumer Reports format? A web search brings me back to your site, except one weak survey in Slate.

I've used 3-head Norelcos for 25 years. I have a 955RX Micro Action now that I''ve had serviced with a new battery and blades a few times. Batteries last about 5 years for me. I get a decent shave, not like a blade, but much faster and easier.

After all I've learned, I not sure a new Norelco will be any better. I'm not interested in the wet/dry systems, I have a medium beard, and use preshave and aftershave without problems. I don't think I'd like a Rem/Braun style, so I think my options are: new Norelco or rebuild my 955RX. The battery only lasts a week between charges now and blades are dull. So should I buy a new 6885XL or 6826XL or spend one-half or less fixing up my 955RX?

And what about the "factory reconditioned" shavers at your Goodman's site? The price is hard to pass by. Are they as good as new? I'm very tempted IF shave would be better than my 955RX. Please advise.

I hope you will post this on the forum or at least give me a quick reply. Thanks a lot.

Jay.

Thanks for your inquiry, Jay.  If you've been reading my previous postings, you already know that I currently use a reconditioned Philishave corded Quadra Action shaver (which Norelco does not market in the USA) which I purchased from one of my sponsored links, Mercury Shaver Centre of Toronto.  Except for a mark inside the shaver indicating that it is reconditioned, I saw no physical or performance difference so I would say it was good as new and I'm spoiled by it.  Not necessarily for the shave which is excellent, but more for the care-free cleaning under the faucet for this dry shaver.  Your Norelco 955RX (aka Philishave HS955) is a model I cannot find detailed info about, but I think yours is about ten years old.  Am I correct on that?  If you're satisfied with how your 955 performs, the US$30 price for fixing it as opposed to the US$100 for a new shaver would be worth it.  If you prefer to get a new shaver, any Philishave/Norelco model in the Reflex Action and Quadra Action line of dry shavers and the Cool Skin/Advantage line of wet/dry shavers would give you a better shave than the Micro Action model you now have.  With the three product lines I mentioned, the heads adjust to your face in a three-dimensional manner to give the heads closer contact for a closer shave.  If you don't want to spend a lot of money, I suggest a Reflex Action model.  If you want to shave while in the shower, that where the Cool Skin and Advantage shavers come in.  If you want my suggestion, I already mentioned a Quadra Action model.  The five years you gave as the life span of rechargeable batteries is what I expect.  That's why I use my corded shaver more often than the rechargeable one (a Philishave Reflex Action model) which I use only when travelling.  As for additional subjective shaver comparison info, I haven't found anything useful on the Internet so the Survey Page questions seem to be the best thing going right now.  I wish Consumer Reports would have an article on shavers as they have not reported on shavers in over five years.  I hope this helps.

From: "walter schaefer"

Date: Friday, November 09, 2001 8:54 PM

Subject: Norelco Quadra vs Remington R9100-9300 Rotary Razors

Hi Gary!

I'm considering buying one of the above razors (using blades for the last 40 years.) I've read through all the available reviews and the e-mails/responses on your web site. Of course there are the usual conflicting opinions, but the Norelcos seem to be at the top of the pack, particularly in the rotary category. However, the Remington MicroFlex Ultra TCT Rotary, Model R-9100 series, are relatively new and I haven't been able to get any experience/testamonial type information.

It looks like a nice unit feature wise, and is about $20.00 less than the Norelco 6826XL. It claims the highest RPM and No. of blades on the market. Wondering if you, or any of your readers out there, can shed any light on this. I would certainly appreciate it. Perhaps there are others out there wondering the same.

Thanks Much,

Walter Schaefer

Thanks for your inquiry, Walter.  I haven't received a lot of input on the rotary Remington shavers with the exception of the Survey Page results in which I ask Remington users which model they prefer.  The rotary models were at the bottom of the list as users prefer the Microscreen 3 line.  If anyone can give us their experience with the currently available Remington rotary model, please tell us.  I hope this helps.

From: Murray Oxman

Date: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:06 PM

Hi Gary,

Hope this helps some of your readers. For years I would visit your site hoping for help with my shaving problems. One day after browsing the site an insight flashed in my head.

My beard is thick, curly and grows in every direction. My problems were ingrown hairs, skin irritation and really long shave times. I tried different electric shavers through the years. The one that works best for me is the Panasonic linear. But it too had limitations.

Here¹s the simple solution that cleared up all my shaving problems: mineral oil. That¹s right, after my morning shower I wait about five minutes and I apply a small amount of mineral oil too my face and neck. Mineral oil is the main ingredient in baby oil. I use just enough to lightly coat the shaving area. I¹ve found that moving the shaver over my beard a little slower is better than too fast. I shave against the grain and hold my skin taught. This procedure has completely turned my shaving experience around: no more ingrown hairs; no irritated skin; no more 15 minute shaves. Shaving time is no more than five minutes for a really nice close comfortable shave. Sometimes I splash a mix of half apple cider vinegar and half water on my face after shaving. Sometimes I don¹t. My skin likes the oil and the vinegar. The vinegar does not have an unpleasant smell after it dries. It smells like apples if you use good vinegar from the health food store.

When I¹m finished I remove the foil assembly and brush away the hairs on the cutting block; rinse the cutting block and then the foil in a stream of hot water from the faucet and let them air dry.

Murray Oxman

Thanks for the tip, Murray.

From: "Yoel Jacobsen"

Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:41 AM

Hello,

I have a Braun Syncro 7570 and I'm generally very pleased. Just want you to know that I'm refilling the cartridges with %95 alcohol with no problems at all. What I do is the following:

1. I bought two cartridges.

2. When a cartridge gets empty I cleans it thoroughly and keep it upside down for drying.

3. I'm taking the other clean cartridge, pouring some alcohol (through the SMALL hole), shaking for some time to clean up any type of dust or other residue, and flushing.

4. Then I fill it up with alcohol up to several millimeters of the top.

If after the alcohol dries you see a white residue on the plastic parts it can be because:

A lot of dust entered the clean & charge unit (dusty area and the machine was not in the unit for a long period). clean it carefully, or Clean the empty cartridge better.

For Alcohol, I'm, using edible alcohol, %95. Every wine maker produce one.  Here is Israel it costs about $4.5 for 750ml.

Note, BTW, that although Braun are using Alcohol %90, a %70 kill germs better. a %90 and more only burns the germ from the outside. However pure alcohol dries up faster.

Yoel Jacobsen

Petach-Tikva, Israel

Thanks for the tip, Yoel.

From: "Joe Ivey"

Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:36 AM

Subject: Am I imagining this?

Hi Gary,

Thanks for continuing to maintain this great site! Something unexpected happened to me recently - I left my Reflex Action Model 5841 in the bathroom of a hotel I was staying at. My wife bought me a replacement, but in an effort to save money, purchased a Micro Action Model 4821 for about $60. I was not pleased with her decision initially, but could not comment due to my blunder...

I used the Micro Action with the Skin Bracer Pre-Electric shave lotion I normally use and found, to my surprise, that the Micro Action gave me as close a shave, if not closer, than the Reflex! I think it may be something to do with the stiffer suspension on the Micro - the Reflex head assembly is much more supple, but the Micro head seems to allow you to exert more pressure on the skin (not too much, of course) - what do you think?

I had figured that the Micro Action heads had been relegated to Norelco's 'low-end' line due to the addition of the Reflex, Quadra and Advantage lines. Makes one wonder at the wisdom of paying $100+ for a higher-end unit...I'd be interested in any comments from your readers - thanks!

Thanks for your comments, Joe.  In the mid-1990s, the Micro Action line was Philips' top of the line Philishave/Norelco shavers.  Of course, that was before the Reflex Action, Cool Skin/Advantage and Quadra Action lines came along.  Yes, the Micro Action line has stiffer individually floating heads which allow you to add more pressure while shaving.  Normally, that would cause more irritation, but the pre-shave you use allows you to get a satisfactory shave with fewer strokes, hence less irritation.  The only difference I see with today's Micro Action shavers compared to the late 1990s Micro Action models (such as my corded Philishave HS775) is that the current models do not have the closeness/comfort adjustment which the earlier models have.  I don't use that shaver much now as I've replaced it with its current corded Quadra Action counterpart mainly because I like the easier cleaning Quadra Action line more.

From: "reimo"

Date: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:26 PM

Hello!

Rechargeable razor batteries will give out in a time. Can I still use my razor when cord plugged in?

Thanks for your question, Reimo.  With many models, yes.  But there are some low-end rechargeable shavers which only work on the batteries in which the cord only functions for recharging purposes.  Make sure the shaver is a cord/cordless model.  I hope this helps.

From: wq q

Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:20 PM

Do you or anyone else have information on the grundig avantgarde rx, (model no. 8895)? Is this a new model unvailable in the state? I have seen it on the grundig web site.

Thanks for your inquiry.  Looking through the search engines, I found on-line shops which sell the Grundig 8895 Avantgarde shaver, but the web sites are in German.  So I would assume that this model is not available in the USA at this time.  I hate to ask how much shipping is from Germany.  If anyone knows of a shop which sells the Grundig 8895 in North America, please let us know.

From: "Rodger Markwell II"

Date: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:44 PM

Hello,

I have a Norelco Advantage razor. I purchased it just over 2 years ago, now it will not charge. Is it possible to have the batteries replaced or do I need to purchase a new razor?

Thanks in advance,

Rodger

Thanks for the question, Rodger.  Two years is a very short like span for rechargeable batteries, in my opinion.  It may be possible to replace the batteries, but with waterproof shavers, the batteries may be sealed for safety reasons.  I would contact a Norelco authorized repair shop asking how much it costs to have the batteries replaced.  Compare that to how much a new Norelco Advantage shaver (or Philishave Cool Skin shaver for those outside the USA) costs to see if it's worth repairing.  Philips is introducting new Cool Skin/Advantage models you may wish to look at.  I hope this helps.

From: "Gary Pond"

Date: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:30 PM

Hi Gary,

A unique approach to shaving.....

Please refer to my post a month or so ago, concerning advice sought on buying an electric shaver. I will preface this by saying it's amazing how many differences of opinions there are concerning various types of electric shavers. There are those who swear by foil shavers and have poor experiences with rotarys and the complete vice versa. I wonder if it depends on the type of beard you have. Myself, I have a fairly thick beard with finer hairs on the neck.

I ended up buying a Braun Syncro because I had never tried a foil shaver before in my 20 plus years of shaving. I tried hard but after a couple of weeks, it was clear that the Braun shaver was not going to work out. The benefit was that yes, it did shave closer then a rotary but it was just too hard to get complete coverage of the face particular around the jawbone and other non flat areas. The rotary was much better at this. Both types of shavers did not do a good job on my neck but with the Braun, I was doing massive touch up all over my face with a blade after shaving, whereas with the Norelco rotary I was only touching up the neck.

I then went out and bought a Norelco Quadra shaver. A very good deal exists for them at Costco for the US readers. The Quadra does a much better job at covering all areas of the face (save the neck) then the Braun albeit not as close. The Quadra DOES NOT shave any closer then my previous Norelco reflex shaver however. It's main advantage is the ease in cleaning which is a blessing and a long overdue feature.

So as to the unique approach to shaving I have a system that covers the benefits of both shavers. I first shave with the Quadra in the usual manner which takes maybe five minutes or so but I quickly go over the face with my Syncro to cover a few left over hairs and to get a little bit closer of a shave. It only takes an extra minute or so. Unfortunately I still have to use a blade to cover unshaven hairs in the neck. So for me, the perfect shaver doesn't exist but this method gives me a pretty close shave. Meanwhile, I will keep waiting and hoping for the perfect electric shaver to come out!

P.S. Definitely a pre shave lotion helps in all cases.

Thanks for the update giving your experience with different shavers, Gary.

From: "Peter Nihill"

Date: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:11 AM

Hi. Firstly, my sympathies to anyone caught up in the tragedies of September 11. These events must have really affected the American psyche, as they've affected a lot of people way over here in Australia.

Thanks for the site. It's great to be able to get independent information on shavers, instead of having to rely on the manufacturer's hype.

I've used a Philishave 4825 for several years, and another Philishave before that. I've got quite sensitive skin, so I was always left with a rash, especially on the neck, and an unsatisfactory shave.

So after reading reviews on this site, I splashed out and bought a Braun Syncro (yes, another rave). I could only find three models available in Australia, the top-of-the-line 7570 with the LED, the 7510, with the clean & charge unit but with no low-charge light and the 7015, without the cleaner. I bought a 7510 for $270 (Australian dollars) from The Shaver Shop in Northland, Melbourne.

The shave I get from the Syncro is the best I've ever experienced, at least as close as a blade shave, and without the carnage. Yes, it's a bit slow on those neck hairs, but I had the same problem with the Phillishave, and repeated shaves with the Phillishave left my skin glowing red. You need a few runs with the Braun, from a few different angles, but at least my skin isn't on fire at the end.

I blow out the whiskers and tap out the foil after every shave, use the clean & charge unit only when the shaver needs recharging (about every two weeks), and keep the fluid cartridge capped in between. While the fluid is going to last a long time that way, I'd love to know if anyone out there has worked out the composition of the fluid, for cheap refills. Thanks to John Perkins (Jan 26) for his thoughts on that matter.

Thanks for your note giving your experience with different shavers and endorsing the Braun Syncro, Peter, and thanks for the kind words and your comments on the terrorist attacks of September 11.  The attacks which destroyed the World Trade Center in New York City and damaged the Pentagon in suburban Washington D.C., killing thousands of people, are beyond comment.  I am pleased by the global support the USA is receiving from the various countries, including some who were less than friendly to the USA in recent years.  We are at war with terrorist groups and those who harbour and support them.  It won't be an easy war to win, but we must win the war to preserve democracy.  If anyone has figured out the formula for the Braun Syncro cleaning fluid, please let us know.

From: "reimo"

Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:36 PM

Hello!

I am 18 years old, so I don`t have very strong beardgrowth. Since today I`ve used non-electric razor (gillette mach 3) and now I would like to buy my first electric razor. I think I will buy something from philips, but I dont know wich one to buy. I like HQ 485, hq 663 (for some reason hq 663 is not on official website-it has quadra-action system but it does not have personal comfort settings like hq 485 has-they both are 2-headed shavers) or hq 4846 (3-headed shaver without personal comfort settings). I`d like to know wich would be the best choice and is it important (at least for me) to have these personal settings-I do not really know how sensitive my skin is to electric razors. What do you think about quadra action and reflex action systems-are they really better than the micro action system? Is there big difference between these systems (for example -how hard can it be to clean razor with cleaning brush-and do they do better job than the micro action system)? Is there big difference between 2&3 headed systems or is it just a matter of taste? Is there difference between accu&cord only razors(except the price)?

Thanks for your note, Reimo.  Unfortunately, Philips has discontinued the 3-head Philishave/Norelco shavers with closeness/comfort settings.  I still have a Philishave HQ5865 Reflex Action shaver which I use when travelling which has the settings which are not on current models.  I found that there are some web sites which still have Philishave Reflex Action shavers which have the closeness/comfort settings.  You may want to try your favourite search engines to look for these models:  Philishave HQ5885, HQ5890, HQ5855, HQ5860, HQ5865, HQ5870, HQ5849, HQ5854, HQ5825, HQ5830, HQ5465 and HQ5425.  Also these Norelco models: 5885XL, 5865XL, 5845XL, 5848XL, 5825XL.  All are rechargeable except for the HQ5465 and HQ5425 which are corded models.  I strongly believe that the Quadra Action and Reflex Action systems are much better because the heads fully adjust to your face in a three-dimensional manner.  The Quadra Action is fully waterproof so it cleans under the tap.  The Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage shavers are special Reflex Action shavers which are wet/dry shavers which dispence Nivea For Men lotion whilst you shave.  The regular Reflex Action shavers are NOT waterproof so the brush (and occasional dismantling of the shaver whilst keeping combs and cutters matched for a more through cleaning), a tedious method of cleaning is used here.  Philips may offer cleaning solutions and/or cleaning devices which make cleaning of their non-waterproof dry shavers easier.  Cord only shavers are less expensive and last longer because there is no problem with batteries which give out after five years or so.  But you have to seek them out as the rechargeable models are much more popular nowadays.  That's what I did when I got my Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver, thanks to the Internet and Mercury Shaver Centre in Canada.  The Quadra Action shavers also have holes on a thinner shaving surface along with the familiar slots.  But I would suggest the less expensive Reflex Action for starters.  Remember that with new shaving methods, you should allow three weeks to a month for your face to become fully accustomed to the new shaver.  I hope this helps.

From: "Terry"

Date: Sunday, September 9, 2001 12:13 AM

Subject: ""ELECTRIC "" razors for black men!!

I've purchased WAHL's cheap,weak,and flimsy battery powered black men razors for years,"AND 20 YEARS LATER I AM SICK TO DEATH" of this particular model.Even the cordless black man WAHL type is weak!! Are there any ""GOOD"" quality 115 AC (non-foil) razors out there for black men?? Thank You.

Thanks for your inquiry, Terry.  Until recently, Remington marketed slotted head shavers which were marketed to men of African heritage.  Last year, I posted a series of Survey Page questions which you can find at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/steelbeard1/su0700.htm   Four responses from those with tight curls indicated that two preferred Philishave/Norelco and two preferred Remington models.  As for the type of shaver for those with tight curls, there were three replies and they all mentioned that they use triple-head rotary shavers.  This may imply that the Remington models were of their rotary shavers.  All Philishave/Norelco shavers are rotary shavers.  If you pick a Philishave/Norelco shaver, I would suggest a Reflex Action model with all-slotted heads as opposed to a Quadra Action models with holes and slots.  If any electric shaver user who has a tight curly beard has any suggestion, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: "Gary Pond"

Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:46 PM

Hi Gary,

I have never owned another shaver other then a Norelco and now the time has come to purchase another shaver. The model I have now is the 5825 XL which if memory serves me correctly is part of the reflex series. With virtually all of the Norelco's that I have owned, they did a satisfactory job with the coarse bearded area of the face but each and every time, I have to touch up the neck area with a blade as none of the models would completely remove the hairs from this area. When the quadra first came out, I purchased one in hopes it would be the miracle shaver I had been waited for. My first impressions were very disappointing as I still had to touch up the neck area and on top of that, my neck was more irritated. I now realize I was perhaps a bit hasty as I only tried the shaver twice.

Now the Norelco is dying and I'm agonizing whether to try a foil shaver or not, most notably either the Panasonic linear series or a Braun Syncro. Or should I give the quadra another run. Although the Braun and the Panasonic seem to garner the most favorable reviews on your forum, I still read mixed impressions. I guess my question is, bottom line, do any of the above mentioned shavers remove the necessitation of touching up the neck or any other spots with a blade? Also on a side note, for years and years all I have ever used for a preshave lotion is Williams electric shave. Are there better alternatives in that category also?

Thanks for any input,

another Gary

Thanks for your inquiry, Gary.  Foil shavers are not that great in shaving the neck area compared with rotary shavers.  With the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers, they recommend that you allow three weeks for your face to become fully accustomed to the new shaver.  In North America, both Norelco in the USA and Philishave in Canada have no risk offers.  In the USA, the URL is http://www.norelco.com/norisk/index.shtml and in Canada, the URL is http://www.philishave.com/norisk/  Check these URLs for the details.  Needless to say, Philips is trying to get you to try out the Quadra Action shaver again.  As for pre-shaves, I've been using a Remington powder stick for awhile, but I'll soon be trying out a pre-shave lotion again.  The recently concluded Survey Page for August showed that an overwhelming majority of pre-shave users use a lotion.  If anyone has a favourite, please let me know.

From: Drumm, James F NAP

Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:57 PM

Hi:

First, a general comment. A great resource. I stumbled upon it by accident while searching for general information about electric shavers.

I've been using a Remington Micro-screen Classic for a number of years now and it's finally bitten the dust. While I was basically happy with it, I'd like a model that would do a better job with those longer neck hairs. I've considered the new line of Remington TCT's and the Norelco Quadra Series, I began wondering whether any American companies are still involved in manufacturing shavers here in the USA. And, it appears that Wahl may be the only one. Correct?

Anyway, in scanning this board, it doesn't appear Wahl is all that favorably rated, although it appears they do not have a high end model which would be comparable to the other major brands anyway. I was familiar with their System 5000 shaver which comes with three different heads. My brother had one and was disappointed with it. However, I noticed that Wahl also has what hey refer to as the Total Shave Triple-Edge model 7020 on their web site, which they claim "gets those longer hairs shavers cannot". So, I was curious. Is this a new, or relatively new model for Wahl? I have not seen any reviews or comments on it and was wondering if you or any other folks were familiar with it. I've seen it advertised online in the vicinity of $90 to $100. Thanks for any advice or comments.

One more thought. I also wish the manufacturers would offer corded shavers in more models than just the lowest priced versions. Grundig was the only maker I found that offered a higher end corded model.

Thanks again.

You're welcome, James and thanks for your note.  From what I understand, the three different heads on the Wahl System 5000 is more of a sales pitch but it does have a very powerful motor.  As you noted, I haven't received enough comments on the Wahl shavers to provide an opinion.  Wahl is the only shaver company I'm aware of which assembles shavers in the USA.  The Wahl web site has me wanting more info on their Total Triple Edge 7020.  I guess I got spoiled by rival web sites which give close-ups of their shavers with detailed specs.  So if anyone has used Wahl shavers, please let us know.  About high-end corded shavers, yes they are hard to come by in the USA.  Fortunately, there is Canada.  That's where I got my current shaver (via UPS), a Philishave HQ6425 corded (that's right, corded) Quadra Action shaver.  Norelco does not offer a corded Quadra Action shaver in the USA, but Philips DAP of Canada does.  I got mine from one of my sponsored links, Mercury Shaver Centre.  Just click on their sponsored link banner on the left of the screen.

From: "Mark Lewis"

Date: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:22 AM

Hello Gary,

I have a very sensitive face with thick whiskers and so I tend to shave every other day with a rotary shaver to avoid irritation. I use a Remington Dual Track which claims to have significantly more cutters and hence offers a better shave but I have experienced uncomfortable "pulling" of whiskers while using it and so have switched to blades. If anyone has experienced the same, please let me know. I think there's a flaw in the design of these shaver foils since the space between the dual track slots narrows considerably and longer thicker whiskers tend to get caught between.

I want to try the Philishave 6000 series but the switch to holes instead of the regular wide slots really concerns me. Since holes are better suited to cutting shorter whiskers, does this mean that I'll get the same uncomfortable pull with these shavers? I appreciate your comments as well as your Forum readers on this subject.

Thanks for your note, Mark.  That's a very interesting question.  Remington's Dual Track rotary shaver can only offer more cutters because the Philishave/Norelco Lift & Cut technology is patented.  I tend to get occasional pulling when I use the shaver too close to my sideburns and goatee.  I looked at previous Survey Page results and noticed that Remington's rotary shavers are not listed as being the favourite Remington models.  I did two Survey Page questions mentioning worst experiences (as well as favourite) and in one survey for worst experience, the Remington rotary models were considered the worst and in  the other, it wasn't mentioned.  On the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers, both surveys mentioned Quadra Action as the favourite shaver and at the other end, depending on the survey, Quadra Action was either #1 or #2 for the worst experience in using.  There is one other thing I should note about the Quadra Action shavers.  The area with the holes is thinner than the area with the slots.  This explains why most of my face gets a closer shave.  This also explains I need to reshape my goatee and shorten my sideburns after awhile.  As Mark asks, if anyone else has any comments about Remington's Dual Track shaver and/or the Philishave Quadra Action shavers, please let us know.

From: mohsen

Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:12 PM

Subject: acne of shaving

dear sir

hello I want to know how i can remove acne my face after shaving.

could you guide me what is the solution.

thanks.

Thanks for your question, Mohsen.  I don't have a ready answer to your question although there are several ways to treat acne.  If anyone has any solutions to shaving related acne, please let us know.

From: <j.schiferli>

Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:30 AM

Hi Gary,

Every now and then there pop-up questions about the use of Vollco Shaver Sharpeners to sharpen the cutters of all rotary Norelco and Philishave shavers. Based on our tests and investigations we only can say that in a very limited number of cases, where the cutters are very blunt, the application of the Vollco sharpeners will result in a partial cutting improvement. Compare a very blunt pair of scissors and grinding only one leg will give an improvement, but never up to the level a new shaving head with cutter.

Vollco is claiming that their sharpeners are applicable on all Philips/Norelco shaving systems. This is wrong. With the introduction the Reflex Action shaving system the cutter tracks are not flat anymore but have a torus profile. The cutters are grinded to follow that shape. By applying the Vollco sharpeners the carefully grinded profile is completely destroyed. Torus type shaving heads can be found on 3-headers with type numbers of 5000 and higher and on 2-headers with type numbers of 500 and higher.

I hope this information serves your readers.

Jos Schiferli

I'm sure it will Mr. Schiferli and thank you for your note.

From: "Chris Charlesworth"

Date: Friday, August 10, 2001 9:19 AM

Hi Gary,

Almost one year into using the Philips 5806 and still haven't used the wet razor since I bought the electric. Am considering sharpening the blades now using the Vollco system which I received free to test as a result of my previous postings in your site. Other people seem to have had good results.

Any thoughts?

Chris Charlesworth

Thanks for your question, Chris.  Although my personal experience with the Vollco sharpeners has been mixed, I've received a lot of favourable responces to the sharpening set and so has Vollco.  The responces were such that Vollco requested that they have a sponsored link on the Electric Shaver Page.  After their sponsored link appeared, Vollco got even more favourable responces and the shaver sharpeners became more widely available.  If its time to replace your Philishave heads, try out the Vollco sharpeners to see if the shaving performance improves after using the sharpeners.  I hope this helps.

From: <Goldnarrow>

Date: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:20 AM

Hey nice site,ok I have a question.

I'm Armenian, so I have a pretty thick beard.I've been shaving for 5 years and I draw blood almost every single time I shave.I use both an electric and a razor when I shave for different areas of my face.I have a very difficult time under my neck.what electric shave do u recommend that's gives a close shave under my neck without hurting me.And I want something that give me a close shave around my mustache area and my chin.Basically what I'm asking is, tell me what to buy that will put me in complete awe.Thanks.

Shant

Thanks for your question, Shant.  Unfortunately, I can't think of a single shaver that does everything.  A rotary shaver is great for shaving the neck area (and the higher-end Philishave/Norelco rotary shavers are great for shaving chins) and a foil shaver works better shaving around moustaches and beards.  I'm sure others have their own opinion.  The current Survey Page questions for August include a question asking  what the preferred shaver brand is for those with very thick whiskers so you may wish to follow that.  In the meantime, I closest thing I found which may help you, but I haven't received a lot of feedback on this, is a Wahl shaver which comes with different foil heads for different types of faces and whiskers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Gary A. Emenitove"

Date: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:22 AM

Hi Gary,

Thanks for your superb web site. Two questions for you:

(1) I have a pretty tough and thick beard. I've been using a Norelco 6885 top-of-the-line Quadra for about 8 months now, mostly on the recommendation of your web site. When my face is cool and dry, it gives me a good shave. However, In these sticky, humid summer days, even with the air conditioner on, I've noticed a poorer quality shave and more skin irritation. (This happened with previous shavers too, all Norelco.) Is this a function of the brand, or is it my sensitive (sweaty) face, or what?

(2) There's a distinctly better quality of shave if I skip a day. I don't like doing this because I look like a slob on the day I don't shave, but the following day seems like a much closer shave than day-to-day. The logical thought would be that the shaver has more whiskers to grab hold of. Any suggestions on how to make a typical day's shave as good as a skipped day's shave?

Thanks!

Gary Emenitove

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Gary.  As for Question 1, here in Michigan, it is very warm and humid as I write this.  A time, even with a clean, dry face, it's difficult to get a good shave.  So I must use a pre-shave (A Remington powder stick currently) in order to get a good shave in this humid weather.  The disadvantage to using a powder stick is increased maintenance because of all the powder that's inside the shaver.  But thanks to the waterproof construction of our Quadra Action shavers (yours is a Norelco 6885, mine is a Philishave 6425), cleaning our shavers is a breeze.  But now I'm thinking about going back to a lotion.  The last time a tried using a pre-shave lotion (Williams Lectric Shave) a few years ago, it was not good to the Philishave 555 shaver I was using at the time.  The decorative cap on each rotary head is glued on.  I was using so much pre-shave during one hot summer that it had loosened the glue which held the caps onto the heads so that some of the caps fell off.  I understand that since that unfortunate experience the pre-shave lotions were reformulated so the problem I had should not happen again.  But when I used the chat room of the Norelco web site in researching my reply to your question, the Norelco staffer I was chatting with did not recommend any pre-shave preparation, just a clean, dry face.  So I'll be my own guinea pig when I try a pre-shave lotion again when I run out of powder stick.  As for Question #2, the pre-shave lotions claim to help your whiskers stand up so you would have a better shave.  Longer whiskers naturally tend to stand up when you stretch your skin while shaving so the shave would naturally be closer.  That's why you get better shaves when your whiskers are longer.  I hope this helps.

From: L Johnston

Date: Thursday, August 02, 2001 11:55 AM

I found your site through Consumer Search and have found it invaluable. The Consumer Search web page notes that in buying a shaver, an adequate trial period is essential. I am interested in a Panasonic 8003, but I have found no place in Britain that will allow such a trial.

I note that some of your correspondents have mentioned that they simply had to take a chance, but at least two have said that they had a trial period. You noted that Philips allow trials of Philishave (Norelco), but are you aware of any way one can try out Panasonic?

I am being especially cautious, since the last foil shaver I bought was a Braun that after a few days was consigned to the rubbish. Since then I have used a Philishave but want the closer (perhaps) and wet shave of the Panasonic.

Many thanks for the site and for any advice.

Lawrence Johnston

Thanks for your note, Lawrence.  I'm not aware of any shaver shop which sells Panasonic shavers in the UK which offers a trial period.  Of course, it doesn't hurt to ask Panasonic UK directly.  Their URL is http://www.panasonic.co.uk/nw/contacts/contactus.asp and I hope this helps.

From: <Gtash>

Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:49 PM

I am a former electric (Braun and Panasonic linear electric) and blade (mach 3, sensor etc.) shaver who has trouble getting a close shave. I have a very fast-growing, straight, thick beard with avereage-sensitivity skin, often needing a second shave in the early evening for a clean look. I and am interested in the electric shaver that gives the closest shave for tough, fast-growing beards.

Thanks for your inquiry.  I checked on previous Survey Page results and I realized I haven't yet posted a survey from users based on the type of whiskers they have--thick or thin, fast growing or slow growing.  I did post results for those with straight vs. curly whiskers.  Since you have straight whiskers, I'll mention the results from a survey taken last year for those with straight whiskers.  There were 19 replies.  Of them, 32% prefer Philishave/Norelco shavers, 26% prefer either Braun or Panasonic (a tie), 11% prefer Remington and 5% was for another brand which he did not mention.  This inquiry may influence what the August Survey Page questions will be like.  The current questions for July ask about currently available high-end shavers which offer the closest shave so you may wish to follow the progress of this month's survey.  Of course, if anyone wants to give their experience who has whiskers similar to the person making this inquiry, please tell us.  I hope this helps.

From: Thom Pomeroy

Date: Friday, July 13, 2001 8:47 PM

Hello,

It’s time to replace my Norelco 5885XL and, although I’ve been reasonably pleased with it, I’m looking to improve on the shave it provides. I have what I would describe as a medium to heavy beard with thick whiskers. My whiskers tend to grow almost parallel to the skin, particularly in the neck area, making it difficult for most electrics to pick up the whiskers and cut them off. I used to shave with a blade, and, even then, I had to shave against the whiskers to get a close shave. This led to a lot of nicks and ingrown whiskers.

I have tried several linear shavers including a Hitachi, a Panasonic ES702 Wet/Dry, a borrowed Braun, a borrowed Eltron, and, most recently, a Grundig 8875 Pro Avantgarde. The only one of these that was worth a hoot on my beard was the Grundig. The others missed too many whiskers on my neck and irritated my skin. Even the Grundig misses some of my most stubborn whiskers and I need to “clean up” my neck area with a blade. However, the Grundig gives me the closest and most comfortable shave I have experienced on the sides of my face.

The Norelco 5885 has been a bit of a compromise. It does the best job of picking up those stubborn, flat-lying whiskers on my neck and doesn’t irritate my skin, unless I press too hard. However, it doesn’t shave quite as close as the Grundig. I also like that I can skip a day with the Norelco and it will still do a good job. With the linear shavers, forget it. They miss way too many of my whiskers on the second day.

I’ve read over many of the posts on the site and it looks like it comes down too either the Braun Synchro or the Norelco Quadra. I tempted to give the Synchro a try based on the rave reviews. I’m certain I would be happy with the Quadra, but wonder if it would shave any closer than my trusty 5885. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Also, does anyone know if the Quadras are available in the US with the NiMH batteries yet? If not, is there a place to mail order the NiMH Quadras?

Thanks,

Thom Pomeroy

PS: If anyone is interested in a very slightly used Grundig Pro Avantgarde (Still have box and everything), please email me at (REMOVED)

Thanks for your note, Thom.  Thanks to the Norelco web site's live chat room, their 'personal shopping service', I was able to get a quick answer from Norelco rep Basil.  Unfortunately, Norelco does not market shavers with NiMH cells.  I mentioned in the feedback section that there is a demand for shavers with NiMH cells instead of NiCad cells.  Quadra Action shavers are sold elsewhere in the world under the Philishave brand name.  To save time, I used the Altavista search engine's advanced search feature (Altavista is not case sensitive) using 'philishave AND quadra action AND nimh' to find the desired info.  I found the following URLs which offer Philishave Quadra Action shavers with NiMH cells by mail order: <http://www.electricsavers.co.uk/index.html?url=products/quadrashavers.htm>, <http://www.messerschmiede.ch/Philips/HQ%206425.htm>, <http://www.photair.de/photair_philips6851.htm>.  There may be others, but I hope this helps for starters. I should conclude that you will need a plug adapter to use these shavers or order part type HQ6000 4222 029 4904 for the Quadra Action cord/transformer for North American mains outlets.

From: <mark>

Date: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:51 AM

Does anybody know where I can find some good old, forgotten, dusty shavers from the past?

Mark Wesseling

Thanks for your question, Mark.  Resale shops, such as Goodwill Industries and The Salvation Army, can be hit or miss.  I found that eBay (http://www.ebay.com), which I have a link to, consistenly included classic old shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Andy Levitt"

Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:16 PM

Gary,

I was wondering if you have any insight on the following question: electric shaving is usually considered gentler on the skin than blade shaving, and one would think that it would lead to less wear and tear on the face since the blades do not actually touch the skin. Recently, however, I have heard more than one person suggest that blade shaving which provides a certain degree of exfoliation, may lead to men having fewer facial wrinkles than women. Do you have any information as to whether blade or electric shaving might better help men maintain a youthful appearance?

Thanks for the great page.

Thanks for the question, Andy.  That is a very good question which I do not have a ready answer for.  Of course, electric shaving also removes skin cells as I can attest to when I clean my shaver.  If anyone has a good answer to the above question, please let us know.

From: <mclennm>

Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:21 PM

Just in the market for a new shaver and found your site by good luck. I will admit to being very surprised by the amount of information on the board. I have been using the same Philishave for the past 20 years and while it has been a good machine it is just about at the end of its life (sic). In that time it has never been serviced, only occasionally cleaned and its only just occurred to me (after reading the forum) that I should have put new blades in it! No wonder the poor old thing is having trouble giving me a close shave.

I read with interest the comments and recommendations of the people using the top of the range Braun/cleaning unit combination and thought their comments read like an advertising managers dream. Due to the weak Aussie dollar these units retail here for just under $400 Australian. An awful lot of the green stuff to spend on a shaver I'm just a tad skeptical about. However keeping an open mind I will have a look at these units based on the number of people raving about them.

One of the shavers I am interested in is one of the Philishave models that have the Nivea creme built in to the razor. If any of your readers use one could they let me know what they think of them and what their shaving regime is using one.

I also read with interest the vast array of cremes, gels and pre shave oils that are available in the U.S. as we do not seem to have them here. I will have to have a bit more of a look around for these items.

Keep up the good work,

Mark McLennan

I'll try to, Mark, and thanks for your note.  The Philishave Cool Skin wet/dry shaver with the Nivea lotion dispenser, inquired about in the above note, is sold in the USA as the Norelco Advantage.  If anyone can tell us their experience with these shavers, please let us know.

From: "Doug Warner"

Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:18 AM

Electric shaver speed vs. blade?

At the start of my 2 week vacation, I decided to remove my beard and mustache to see what I looked like underneath it all. Not bad.. Mouth looks small, but without all those gray hairs on my face, I lost 10 years..

Still, I'm growing it back because shaving around the corners, especially the edge of the chin and under my nose, just took too long. The last time I used an elecric, perhaps 30 years ago (Remington foil, I think.) I'd have to drag the thing across the same spot about 20 times just to make me LOOK clean shaven. (Still felt rough)

Have electrics been improved to the point where they work as quickly as a blade? I mean, two to three swipes to remove everything?

If I go the hairless route, I'll have a greater area to shave each morning, but if it takes 20 times as long for each square inch, it's not worth the time.

(BTW: My cat would butt his nose against my chin endlessly when he wanted attention. After the beard disappeared, he'd make one contact, look puzzled, (sometimes making a cat "harumph" then back off. It's gotten to the point where he just takes a look and doesn't even try :-)

Thanks for your note, Doug.  Shavers have improved considerably in the last 20 years.  Using a pre-shave does help prepare the face so that a shaver can perform faster and better.  Of the favourites mentioned here, the top three seem to be the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action among the rotary shavers; and the Braun Syncro and the Panasonic/National Linear 8000 series amongst the foil shavers.  I hope this helps.

From: <Dean.Kelly>

Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:29 PM

I have been an avid electric shaver user over the last twenty five years, using many Norelco rotary shavers. I am in the market once again for a replacement and would welcome some advice from the forum readers. I have read much of the feedback and after a while it only serves to make my decision tougher. I am only interested in a top-of-the-line shaver and want the best money can buy. I have read the manufacturer descriptions of many shavers and was particularily intrigued by the Grundig Pro Avantgarde shaver. I have always used a rotary razor and while it seems to take a long time to get a really close shave I would rate my results and satisfaction as good. Is it hard to make the transition to a screen shaver? If I decide to make the transition what are you thoughts or experiences with the Grundig Shaver?

Sincerely

D. Kelly

Bloomfield Hills, Michigan

Thansk for your question for Grundig shaver users, Dean and I hope users of Grundig shavers can share their experiences on this forum.

From: Ariel Ramos

Date: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:14 PM

Hello to all. I was wondering if any one out there has read or knows about any study relating to the effects of radiation if any as a result of using an electric shaver. You see, I'm a fairly young male, 24, and have noticed that I am starting to have much thinner hair as of late in the frontal area. I have been using a Braun 2505 since 16 years old. This is also happening to some of my other friends who also happen to be using electric shavers for quite a couple of years as well. While, on the other hand I have friends who don't use electric razor and have a full sets of hair. This might seem coincidence or just plain ridiculous, but nonetheless it has spark my curiosity. I hope someone might be able to give me better understanding of the nature of this issue.

Thanks for your question, Ariel.  There are Internet resources which deal with the subject you're asking about.  I have links to them in the 'other' section.  I've pasted the links which follow:  Are the electromagnetic fields surrounding your electric shaver's motor safe? Click here for a British page on this subject.  Click here for an American page on the same subject. Click here for a web site which not only discusses EMF, but also sells EMF-free appliances which you can use if you're far away from an electric outlet. The last link mentioned includes a section where you can order non-EMF appliances, including a mechanical shaver.  (end of pasted links)  I hope this helps.

From: jasslyn

Date: Sunday, June 17, 2001 9:26 PM

Syncro vs Quadra

I shall describe myself as a medium-heavy beard man and has been using a blade for donkey years. I used to believe that an electric shaver is no way compare to the closeness of a blade but due to all the nicks and cuts the blade gave me, it made me looked as if I just had a fight with a cat!! It was so horrible that I decided to heed my friend's advice to try out an electric shaver.

Last year, I purchased a Philishave Quadra at a price of S$299. It gave me a comfortable shave and it fits well in my palm. I like the idea of it being water-proof. The first few weeks I had no problem with it, but one day, I found my neck area got irritated with the shave and the next following week I found myself getting razor burns and more ingrown hairs than using a blade!

The trust came to a stop, I decided to go back to blade. All the past problems keep repeating and sometimes I got so fed up that I wish I have lesser hair! So, my wife actually saw my frustration and during our 10th anniversary, she forked out S$348 and bought a Braun Syncro for me as a present. At first I almost fainted when I knew about the price and secondly, I have a phobia in using a shaver again. My wife save my skin! Or I should put it in another way, Braun save me!

The shaver is so gentle that I get no irritation after using it till now! The cleaning solution leaves a lemony smell and it gives me a perfect shave each day. I love it so much that I wouldn't care how much $ I'm gonna spend in order to get hold of the solution. My wife and I realise that there are no more ingrown hairs and razor burns. Compare to Philishave, Braun shaves a lot faster and my shaving time has reduced from 6min to 3min. I don't feel my skin "burn" and it leaves no irritation on my neck. The main drawback is the maintenance kit. It is so bulky and I have to think of where to store it. But, anyway, who cares? As long as my skin is saved this small trivial matters don't bother me anymore!

I strongly believe in Braun and I will stick to using it until the next Braun latest model comes into the market. Braun makes me change my way of thinking towards a shaver.

A great site for information.

Paul

Thanks for your note, Paul, giving your preference for the Braun Syncro shaver.

From: "Matthew Floyd"

Date: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:02 AM

Hello I found your website when i was looking for an electrical razor. Anyway I get razor bumps very badly on my neck. The doctor gave me some cream, and it is working but he told me i should switch to electric. What electric shaver will get the closest shave ????? I wasnt sure because there are lots of good brands.

Thanks alot

Matthew

Thanks for the note, Matthew.  The shaver which gives the closest shaves is subject to debate.  The current favourite is one of the Braun Syncro models.  Others (like myself), like the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action line of shavers.  The Panasonic/National Linear shavers also have their fans.  Those are three good choices.  I hope this helps.

Name: Jen

Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:05:13 PM

Subject: women's vs men's shavers

I am a women who is looking for the highest quality, closest shave possible from an electric shaver. Is there a difference between men's and women's shavers?? And if so what?? Can someone recommend a brand and model??

thanks!

Thanks for the question, Jen.  The main difference between men's and women's shavers are with the shape of the shavers and the heads.  Women have different needs for shaving body hair.  A man's whiskers are usually the same type for each person.  With a woman's shaving needs, the leg hairs are finer as opposed to the coarse underarm and pubic hair.  Some women, such as my mother, are satisfied with the performance of a "man's shaver".  Over a year ago, I had a set of Survey Page questions tailored to women.  Only nine replies were received for shavers.  Of them, seven used a shaver designed for women of which five used a Braun women's shaver and the remaining two used a Philips women's shaver. Six have used a "man's shaver and it was a three-way tie between Philishave/Norelco, Braun and Remington.  I hope this helps.

From: "Stew Apelzin"

Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 1:01 PM

Head to Head -- Norelco Quadra vs. Braun

Hello,

I've been using a Norelco electric for shaving for over 25 years. I recently upgraded to a Quadra 6885, and enjoy the ability to clean it under the tap.

I do a lot of traveling and was using a Norelco 965 as my travel razor until the battery died. After some searching on the Internet, I found a Braun 5414 for under $40. I tried out the 5414 and found it gave a good, close shave in a shorter time than the Quadra. Recently I tried shaving half my face with the Quadra and the other half with the Braun. In a blind test, both my 10 year old daughter and my wife thought the Braun side was much smoother. I also found my everyday red neck rash on the Norelco side, but no rash on the Braun side.

I think after all these years, I'm a convert. Some questions that I'm hoping your Braun readers can answer:

1) I notice a lot of hair particles fall from the 5414 when shaving. Is there something I can do to cut down on this?

2) Do the Braun shavers with the higher speed motors (like the 6550) perform better than the 5414?

3) I've twice cleaned the 5414 under the tap and found no problems. Has anyone done this long term?

Great site with fantastic information,

Stew

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Stew.  I'm hoping that the other Braun users can answer your questions.

From: "Chris Palser"

Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:51 AM

Dear Mr. Steel Beard/Gary,

Well, I took the plunge! After reading this board and www.epinions.com for 8 months or so, I finally justified buying a new electric shaver to my wife! (birthday money, honey!). I got the Braun Synchro/#7526 with Clean and Charge unit.

For the past two years or so, I've been shaving with an older, corded Norelco triplehead shaver that I had retrofitted with Lift-n-Cut heads. I've never been happy with the quality of shave, but figured, hey, that's as good as it gets with an electric. Prior to the Norelco, I had shaved with a Gillette Sensor and Gel cream-loved the shave, hated the mess and putting the hairs down the drain (potential clogging in our older home!).

After much, much reading, I decided I'd try the Braun Synchro-two reasons, a lot of high recommendations from guys with many different types of beards and the NiMH batteries-environmentally friendly and longer life than NiCads.

My opinion? After only a week and a half, I LOVE IT! Before I forget, I guess I'd describe my beard as medium-heavy in thickness, but my beard hairs are fairly fine. My skin isn't particularly sensitive, but it's not heavy-duty, either. You could probably label my face as all-around average.

The Synchro is everything that everyone says it is! My best results seem to be with the head locked in the #2 position. (The razor has three positions, #1-head pivots/swings with the contour of your face, #2-head is locked into position, #3-trimmer pops up.) I also started using the Remington face saver powder stick a few months ago. This was a major improvement in the quality of my shave, even with my old Norelco. I shave after showering and the powder really helps to dry the surface perspiration/moisture and to help the razor glide across your face much better without "catching" on your skin. I had always had a lot of problems with the razor dragging on my face. Anyway, with the Synchro and the face saver powder, I get a shave that almost rivals a blade shave! Outstanding!

I do have to go over my face several times (especially the neck area), but I get absolutely no irritation. Even though my skin isn't particularly sensitive, I'd always get a little irritation if I went over my face more than once with my Norelco. The first time I shaved with the Synchro, it felt like I still had some razor stubble, but I attribute this to my face getting used to the razor. I still seem to have just a bit of roughness left after shaving, but after about 5-10 minutes, my skin seems to relax and the stubble recedes (guess you could call this a "delayed Lift-n-Cut, sorry Norelco!). I rinse the powder from my face with a little water on after shaving, dry my face, splash a few more drops of water on, then splash on a little scented after shave (Paul Sebastion, if anyone besides my wife cares!). This seems to help prevent that "after shave sting," but still provide the disinfecting and smell that I still like.

Several folks have made comments about the Braun instructions not being so hot. I agree, they're not great, but they're not awful, either. My only comment on the instructions is that they don't recommend shaving after showering/washing your face. I think they said that they recommend this because the oils on your face provide a natural lubricant. Of course, I disagree. I'd much rather go with a shower-softened beard and use the powder stick than the alternative.

Oh yea, the Clean and Charge unit. My plan is to use it about once a week (upon the recommendation of someone else's posting.) We have a small bathroom and I don't want the alcohol/lemony smell in our bedroom, so I keep the cleaning unit in the hallway medicine closet with the fluid unit removed and capped (to prevent evaporation). I remove the foil and shake/blow the stubble and powder out of the razor after every shave. Then, on the weekend, I'll pull the cleaning unit out of the closet, install the fluid unit, run the cleaning cycle, recap the fluid and put the cleaning unit back in the closet. Call me cheap if you want, but at $5-6 a pop, I'm gonna get every penny's worth out of that little plastic cup of fluid! Of course, the shave after the cleaning cycle was great, but with Synchro and a daily blow-out, I'm still getting an incredible shave!

I said earlier that I get a shave that almost rivals a blade shave! Let me revise that statement-it does rival a blade shave! I've never had a serious five o'clock shadow, but even late in the day, my beard is still in better shape than it was with my Norelco or even a blade.

Yes, I'm sold. Gary, I know you're totally committed to the Quadra, it was my next choice if the Synchro didn't work out. Third in line was the Panasonic linear. It was a close race, but the Sychro won out, based on the guys who just absolutely raved about it (especially about the lack of razor irritation), the NiMH batteries and the cleaning unit.

Before I forget, I have to tell you guys about the price! I had shopped around and found the best prices to be at Wal-Mart (on the Synchro, Quadra and Panasonic, Syncro was around $135 or so). During Memorial day week, Sears had the Synchro on sale for $119.99 (from $129.99). When I made my purchase at Sears, the saleslady told me that if I applied for a Sears charge card, I'd get a $10 credit on my first purchase. So, after taxes and credit card rebate, I got the Synchro and Cleaning unit for around $117! How cool is that? (Yes, the credit card is getting canceled next month!)

Thanks for letting me ramble on! Great place to read and post opinions! If anyone has any other questions, please feel free to email me.

Thanks again for a great board, Gary!

Chris Palser

Franklin, OH

Thanks for giving your endorsement of the Braun Syncro shaver as well as the kind words, Chris.

From: "Greg Fish"

Date: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:15 AM

Subject: Braun 7570

Hello,

You do a great job in this forum! I have used a blade most all of my life and this week decided to try the Braun 7570 after reading the good reviews of it. My beard is pretty thick and I have sensitive skin on the neck area, thus the reason for trying an electric - it sounds like it should be better for sensitve skin. The Braun does a good job on my face, but once I get below my chin it has terrible results - usually leaving about 3/4 of my whiskers still intact. Just wondering if you or anyone else has any suggestions to improve this or any suggestions of an electric shaver that might do a better job in this area.

Thanks,

Greg

Thanks for your question, Greg.  While I am sure you will get a replies from other Braun Syncro users (and there are several who posted their favorable opinions on this forum), what I can suggest is to try a pre-shave lotion before shaving and see how that works out. The lotions claim to help straight whiskers before shaving.  The pre-shave powder, which I use, does allow your shaver to glide better on your face and the fewer the strokes, the less irritation.  I also suggest stretching your skin while shaving as that can help straighten whiskers.  I hope this helps

From: Cline, Roy

Date: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:52 PM

Hi,

I hope that someone can answer my question, regarding the maintenance of a new Norelco 6886. I have been using Norelco shavers for 21 years, and this new one is my fourth. It was purchased to replace my 5885, which died in a hideous accident involving a bathtub full of soap bubbles and my 8 year old daughter.....don't ask! ;]

Anyway, I wanted to ask for clarification on the maintenance of this shaver. While I have been in love with my Norelco's for over 20 years, I have always hated tearing the head apart once a month to clean the cutter assemblies. So obviously the "clean under water" feature of the new Quadra shaver was a major selling point. However when I read the manual, I was unclear on a basic issue. I understand how to clean the head under water, replacing the every few days brushing, but is it still necessary to disassemble the head every month or so to manually clean the cutters? Or, is rinsing under hot water sufficient? And then, of course, are the cutters to be "swished" in alcohol and then coated with a drop of oil? I found the written instructions confusing on this point, and when I called Norelco's service department, I was given two different answers from the two people I spoke to.

Can anyone help me with this one?

Thanks, and keep up the best site on the web !!!!!

Skip

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Skip and yes, I can help as I use a Quadra Action shaver (a Philishave HQ6425) myself.  With the Quadra Action line, there is no way an accident like the one which ruined your old Reflex Action shaver will affect your new shaver.  About how I maintain the shaver, cleaning the shaver under the faucet every week or so (after unplugging it, of course) does the job most of the time.  I only disassemble the shaver in case any stubborn hairs remain inside the shaver and I rinse those parts off under the faucet the same way.  After rinsing, I wipe the shaver dry with a towel then air dry the shaver, keeping the 'flip-top' open to aid in drying.  Afterwards, I use the Philips or Norelco spray lubricant while the shaver is running.  After spraying, I leave the shaver running for a minute before wiping the excess lubricant from the surface.  So rinsing under the faucet is sufficient.  The old way of cleaning as you describe it is for the non-waterproof models.  I hope this helps.

From: "doni"

Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 12:34 AM

RE: Braun Syncro follow-up & hair clipper suggestion

First, a follow-up to my last email in April. I want to thank everyone for helping me decide on the Braun 7570, which is the most revolutionary purchase I've made since my first Palm Pilot in '96. Really folks, for those like me with sensitive skin, there simply is no other choice. It's opened up a whole new world, one that no longer includes redness and irritation. I agree with others that it could do a better job on my neck, but at least going over the same area a few times doesn't take my face off.

Second, a response to the question about hair clippers: I would NOT recommend Norelco/Philips branded clippers. They used to be pretty good for a low price, but the latest model (20XL) is cheaply made, inflexible in configuration, lacking power, overheats to the point where it's uncomfortable to hold, and provides an inferior and uneven cut. Instead, I would look at the long line of professional clippers by brands such as Wahl.

I switched a while ago from a Norelco to a Wahl Legend II rechargeable and it's like night and day. Very powerful mechanism, small portable unit, and extremely even shave. Professional quality clippers will run you about half the price of a good electric shaver (mine was around $60US and there were many for less). Plus, professional clippers will give you more flexibility in options such as interchangeable guide combs and blades. Check out www.wahl.com for more info on their lines of electric hair clippers (although I seem to have found models not listed on their site and visa versa). Highly recommended.

PS - If anyone here can tell me if it's possible to get a level 1.5 cut (something in between a 1 & 2), let me know. Thanks,

donikatz

NYC

Thanks for the update and the tips, Donikatz.  I hope someone can answer your question.

From: "John Glowark"

Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:53 PM

Hello Gary,

A friend wants to use a Norelco 4401LC to shave his head, along with his face. He wants a corded shaver. Norelco says that they haven't run any tests on shaving heads with their shavers. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience using any electric shaver to shave their head? I use a 6826XL and thought the washable stainless steel blades would make cleanup very easy for him, but he prefers a corded model. What are the pros and cons of each?

Maybe I can convince him to choose a cordless. Thanks in advance for any help with this decision.

John Glowark

Thanks for your question, John.  That is one I can easily answer because, as you may tell from the home page photo, I am bald.  Yet I have a few scattered hairs on the top of my head which I cannot control so I shave them off.  The Norelco 4401LC is not a desirable shaver to use on the top of the head.  I would suggest either a Reflex Action or Quadra Action shaver, such as your 6826 Quadra Action model.  These models have heads which adjust to the contours of your face (and the top of your head) in a three-dimensional manner for closer contact and a closer shave.  The advantage of corded shavers is that you have no need to worry about battery maintenance.  Unfortunately, Norelco in the USA only offers corded shavers in their low end models. However, there are corded versions of the Reflex Action and Quadra Action models available in Canada under the Philishave name.  I use the corded Philishave HQ6425 shaver myself.  I got mine through one of my sponsored links, Mercury Shaver Centre.  Yes, the waterproof construction makes cleaning this shaver a breeze.  For maximum convenience, I mounted a shaver holder to the bathroom wall which is designed for the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers (I got that from Mercury Shaver Centre as well.)  I had to modify it by cutting off the front part of the holder so I get take the shaver from the holder and put it back with the cord still attached.  The only disadvantage to the Quadra Action shaver, as far using it corded is concerned, is that the plug contains a transformer so that the shaver operates at a lower voltage and the transformer is always on.  But with my bathroom, I plugged the shaver into a switched outlet so the transformer is turned off when I turn off the bathroom light.  For further info about this shaver, just click on the Mercury Shaver Centre banner on the home page.  I hope this helps.

From: "Peter Constantinidis"

Date: Sunday, June 03, 2001 2:24 AM

Hi,

A little background on me, the electrics I have used previously were a cheap single foil Braun from the 80s it didn't work very well and I probably tossed it out long ago. Around '91 I think, I bought another Braun a double foil this time a 5585 or something. I never used it very much either because I had problems with irritation and it just seemed to suck in general cleaning it. So for a whole bunch of years I've been using blades, mainly Mach3's but I couldn't use them very often only every 2nd or 3rd day due to irritation of the skin. I was tired of bleeding and having irritation and wanted to shave more for appearance's sakes.

Given my negative experiences with the Brauns in the past I didn't want a repeat so I did my research and went out and bought a Canadian Philishave Quadra 6825. I really wanted to like this shaver because it fit nicely in my hand, and the ability to rinse it clean under tap water was out of this world. It also glided nicely over my face.

Only one problem. It gave me a little bit of irritation on the neck, and when I was done shaving and would look in the mirror there would still be bristles sticking out of my skin. This was a real problem, especially on my upper lip.

So I went and bought the Braun Syncro 7526 to try out.. One of my first impressions was, the entire package was kinda bulky and the 'lock' switch was kind of weak. You can still force the shaver on with your hand unlike the older brauns which would *lock*. I figured I'd try the Braun a couple days, and then try the Philishave again and then return one of them.

So I did that, and the Braun shaved faster, and a lot smoother. So I returned the Philishave.

The Braun isn't perfect, but it sure does a good job and I like the lemony fresh smell the cleaning unit gives it though it's a pity it's not as airtight as I'd like. I'll have to move it out of my room if I can. The other people who wrote in about the Syncro were right about the shaver doing a good job it really grabs into the whiskers and does not irritate my skin.

Best,

Peter.

Thanks for your note, Peter, comparing different shavers.

From: "Greg"

Date: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:47 PM

Hey, I'm 21 years old and have very sensitive skin. I have been using a blade for a few years now, but I read that with my skin sensitivity it would be to my advantage to switch to an electric shaver. All I grow is whiskers so I don't need anything that gives an incredibly close shave, just comfort. What do you recommend?

Greg

Thanks for your note, Greg.  Based on your preference for whiskers after shaving, I would suggest a beard trimmer with an adjustment so you get the whisker length you prefer.  I have one from Philips (Norelco) myself which I'm happy with.  I hope this helps.

From: vijayan

Date: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:54 AM

ok.i am a 20 year old male here.....I hate hairs on my face and i feel the need to shave once in 5 or 6 days....when i get that terrible itchy feel on my face....i dont want to have this feeling when i am due fo rmy next shave....And i dont know anythig about electric shaver cause i use the old crocodile blade method....so anyone here can recommend me the best electric shaver on this earth that does not require much maintenance and its good enough for that shave to last one week iwthout any uncomfotable feelings and appearance before my next need to shave is much appreciated

Thanks for your note, Vijayan. It would depend on how long your whiskers are after five or six days.  If the whiskers grow too long, an electric shaver can pull on some of the whiskers which can be painful.  I would use the shaver every day or two.  As for a low maintenance shaver, any of the wet/dry shavers would be perfect.  Most of the shavers are foil models except for the Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage models which are rotary.  For a dry shaver, the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shaver can be cleaned under the faucet as it's a waterproof (but not necessarily wet/dry) shaver.  That's the shaver I use.  For a wet/dry shaver, the Panasonic 8000 series get more recommendations.  I hope this helps.

From: "Jared Yucht"

Date: Monday, May 14, 2001 11:43 AM

Considering I used this page so often in the past for advice, I'd like to tell you about my experiences and solutions. I have a medium beard that is very prone to ingrown hairs. I have tried everything, every blade and electric out there. The tend skin, the oils, the scrubs, etc. Thanks to Doc Chris P. things have been much better. I used the Quadra for over a year. A disaster for me but my father who has a heavy but straight beard swears by it. I found that it shaved the neck the best though, as well as, longer hairs. I tried the panasonic 8003. Got it for $100 on the Sharper Image website, refurbished. This shaver is by far the closest shave of any electric out there, hands down. If you want a close shave and your face can handle it, this is the shaver for you. I got so many ingrown hairs from it though, so it's now in the drawer. I went to Costco 2 weeks ago and bought the Syncro 7546 for $129. Wow, I'm impressed. This shaver is gentle and did the best overall job on my face. It's not great on neck hairs but so what. This shaver in conjunction with shaving oil is so nice and gentle. if any of you out there have a beard like mine and get ingrown hairs, make the change. Whatever it costs, it's worth it to feel better about for face and appearance. And by the way, thank you Chris for your help.

Thanks for your note, Jared.

From: "Andrew Levitt"

Date: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:39 PM

Gary,

Since you seem very happy with your Quadra Action shaver, I was wondering whether you ever clean it the "old" Norelco way (cleaning the heads in the cleaning solution and using the spray lubricant) or if you only clean it by running it under the faucet. Thanks.

Thanks for your question, Andrew.  I have not used the cleaning solution, as rinsing my Philishave Quadra Action shaver under the faucet (after unplugging the cord from the shaver, of course) does a fine job in cleaning the shaver.  I occasionally had to dismantle the head assembly to remove hairs which got caught, but I still use running water under the faucet to clean the parts.  After drying, I then use the spray lubricant I have always used from Philips/Norelco.  I have the Philips electric shaver lubricant type AL80C as sold in Canada.  It's also sold under the Norelco name in the USA, of course.

From: "irving schwartz"

Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:58 PM

Subject: braun vs. norelco (philishave)

Gary,

My experience with Norelco Quadra Action and Braun Syncro is I found no measurble difference in SHAVING PERFORMANCE. Actually, I use both:  thus getting the unique benefits of both foil and rotary designs, which each seems to possess.

Irv

Thanks for the update giving favorable opinions of both the Braun Syncro and the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers, Irv.

From: "Baron Fujimoto"

Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:21 AM

(Note:  This is a reply to an earlier posting reproduced below:)

> : : From: <BIGBULLONE>

> : : Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:53 AM

> : : Great sight! I have a question which I hope does not sound wacky. In one of my Sharper Image Catalogues it lists the Panasonic Linear Razor ES8003,which is silver. They say the body is metal. They also say this with their exclusive BLUE colored model. I went to the store and the Blue body looked like it was plastic. Is either ones' body Metal?

> : : Thank you. Rick

(The following is Baron Fujimoto's reply)

The body on the silver ES8003 is plastic.

Aloha,

-baron

Thanks for the info on the Panasonic/National ES8003 shaver.

From: "Mark Fletcher"

Date: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:29 PM

Thought that I would add a few comments on the "shaving around the neck" discussion. I use a Quadra 6885 and am pleased with it. For optimum shaving I change the heads every 7-8 months (really notice the difference with a new set, yes they run ~$30 and Philips only recommends changing them once a year, but it is an indulgence). Often on weekends I will skip a day shaving and then face shaving with two days growth (I have what I would describe as a medium beard) and have difficulty getting the hairs around the neck. Normally I dry shave using a Parks powder stick with acceptable results, but on these days, after rinsing out the powder/beard particles from the shaver, I give it a spray with Parks "shave ease" shaver spray and then dip the shaver head under a dribble of luke warm water from the tap and "wet shave" the neck area as if I were using a "cool skin" shaver (a little bit drippy so I have to be sure I'm over the sink). The shaver spray provides an excellent lubricant effect and the quasi wet shave seems to catch all of the neck hairs and give me a quite close shave. When done, I rinse the shaver head under warm water, pat it dry and then give it a quick blast of "shave ease" spray which both lubricates and keeps the shaver smelling nice.

Hope this helps...

Mark Fletcher

It sure does, Mark.  Thanks for your note.

From: "R A Barrow"

Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 12:53 PM

Gary,

As far as I am concerned, you're still the best at what you're doing on the Web. My saga with Panasonic continues, as illustrated by an excerpt from my current letter to their repair facility:

"TURNPIKE APPLIANCE SERVICE CENTER

3495A LAWSON BOULEVARD

OCEANSIDE NY 11572

> Dear Friends,

>Enclosed are two Panasonic Linear shavers with clear plastic head guards. Your facility repaired the ES 882 shaver in January 2001, Work Order: 00610983; in September 2000, Work Order: 00212790; and in June 2000. Currently, the shaver motor appears to be running slow under load.

> The ES 8065, purchased 6/1/2000 (see enclosed proof) will not take a charge. When fully charged, it will run only for about five minutes." [edited]

(end of pasted except from letter)

Fortunately, I can use my third and fourth Panasonic shavers while the other two are away. What the heck I am going to do to find a reliable wet/dry?

Is it time to treat my razor burn- and allergy-prone face to a dry shaver? Meanwhile, I urge your readers to buy stock in Panasonic. I certainly help them earn dividends.

Regards,

"Rick" Barrow

Tannersville, PA

Thanks for the update, Rick.  I'm pretty happy myself using my dry shaver (A Philishave Quadra Action which is a corded model not available in the USA which solves my battery problems since there are none. ;) ) BTW, Matsushita Electric, which makes Panasonic and National shavers as well as other products, trades on the New York Stock Exchange using the stock symbol MC.

From: vijayan

Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:23 AM

So which one should i use?...I have some experience in cutting my own hair with scissors and mirrors..so which one shall i use?..hair clippers or some other alternatives?...

 Thanks for your additional question, Vijayan.  I would pick a rechargeable hair clipper.  I'm most familiar with the Philishave HQC484 and HQC281; and the Norelco 20XL.  The search engines and the Philishave and Norelco web sites can give you further info on these clippers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Robert Nicholson"

Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:05 PM

Ok a bit of history.

I have two shavers the Phillishave 6885XL and the Panasonic Q8003

Recently I've been shaving with Mach 3's and Lab Series Maximum Comfort cream. The experience with the Mach 3's and this cream applied with a shaving brush has been very good. In fact I seem to cut myself a lot less this way than with the Q8003 model.

Is there anybody here that moved from the Q8003 to the Syncro 7570? The thing that prevents me buying this appart from that fact that I paid something like $15 per refill for my toothbrush a long time ago is that the Syncro comes with that cleaning system which is real bulky for the travel I do. But the raves of the 7570 cannot be ignored.

Also, any Q8003 users can you elaborate on what face solution you are using with it? I find this model has a hard time on my neck area. I'm 31 nothing really special beard wise but I seem to cut myself quite a bit on the Q8003 model and I don't think I should be.

Are there folks happy with the linear? Am I just not using it correctly? I know this shaver goes for $350 retail but I paid $119. I would have hated to have paid full retail for the 8003 but I don't want to give up on it.

Well, I wanted to try my Panasonic Linear Q8003 again to see if my suspicions were correct. Never again is this shaver going anywhere near my neck area. I cannot believe the pain and irration this shaver causes my neck area even when used wet with a cream. I never get any irration from a Mach 3 blade whatever but this thing ends up literally shredding my neck apart. The shaver does an ok job on my cheeks and chin and every where else except the neck area. Is there any wet/dry combination that doesn't rip ones neck to pieces or do most folk rely on a blade for that area?

By the way when I've used the 6885 for the neck area in the past I've noticed it doesn't cut close at all so I tend to not bother with it. Perhaps I should give it another go with the power stick because it certainly couldn't do worse than the Q8003 that's for sure.

I would welcome anybodys feedback on how to correctly use the 6885 around the neck area.

It's a shame because the Q8003 really does an excellent job everywhere else when used wet.

Anybody in here using a Q8003 comment on performance in the neck area?

Also, are there any forums where you can actually interact with people using the shavers? This appears to be a one way forum with replys from only one person whom I'm know hasn't used the Panasonic series.

Thanks for your inquiry, Robert.  I hope others can answer your questions.  As for how I use my Philishave Quadra Action on my neck, I stretch my skin and shave in a circular motion then against the grain to get the stubborn parts.  If you skin is too sticky, use a preshave before doing this.  I hope this helps.

From: vijayan

Date: Sunday, April 22, 2001 1:23 AM

well i am intend to do some home cutting myself but not intensively...Just to remove some hair from the back of my head and sides of my neck or sideburns if it grows too fast before my next cut ..thus saving some money...or if for some reason my barber leaves some hair behind which is not to my liking.Well i have some understanding of my own hair..how it grows and ways to trim it as this is important..u may not want some undesirable results so i pay close attention to my hair always taking note of its growth patterns and cut results

So do u recommend a trimmer or clipper and i also heard electric beard shavers can do hair cutting as well... is it wise to use them on head hair for my purposes stated above?...pls advise....

Thanks for your inquiry, Vijayan.  From my personal experience, using electric hair clippers by myself can be pretty awkward.  I hope you have a nice set of mirrors to help you find where to cut your hair.  There are rechargeable hair clippers, such as those offered by Philishave/Norelco, which can make using hair clippers on your own hair easier by not having the cord in the way.  I hope this helps.

From: "irving schwartz"

Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:41 PM

Subject: response to DONIKATZ, April 17.

Yes, I have used both the Syncro and the Quadra Action. Quadra wins!

Using their " 4-way action," Braun screws the public in four ways..

1. Expensive. 3 times its own Flex Head, but no better cutting action.

2. Forcing the consumer to buy their very-high-profit alcohol concoction. No choice; they simply lock you out--how's that for CHUTZPA!

3. All the fuss and must over sticking well heads, takes up room on sink counter, not especially a bathroom decorator feature. And even with the "cleaner" Braum still recommends in their lit occasional manual brush cleaning. Reason??

4. Environmentally unfreindly. Braun advises against simly dumping used ceaning fluid down the drain: Reseal, if you still have your caps, and take to the town dump (where in time the fluid will leak into the ground).

The shave? No closer than the Quadra, which simply rinses under faucet. Frankly, I think "Papa" Flinn knows best. His choice influenced my trying it. Cheap, no consumerism clap-tap, simply turn on and go. I'm with you, Gary.

Irving

Thanks again, Irving, for giving your opinions about the Braun Syncro and Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers, preferring the Quadra Action.

From: "Jock Bronders"

Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:48 AM

I am writing this to share my experiences with those looking for the perfect shaver. In my lifetime I have tried almost every shaver there is. I have tried all the Norelco's, the ones with the lotions, the ones without, the Quadra action ones as well. I have tried all of the Panasonic linear shavers as well. I have tried every pre-shave oil out there as well, tried every single manual razor too. I have tried it all in an effort to reduce the pain and trauma of daily shaving. Out of everything I have tried (Lord knows I have tried every damned thing on the market) by far the best thing there is out there is the Braun Syncro.

There really is no comparison to the others. It cuts closer then any other shaver I have every tried, and is by far the most gentle shaver I have ever tried - by leaps and bounds ahead of all the others. I don't know what it is about the Syncro that makes it work so perfectly, but it does, and that's all I care about. Every single day I get a shave so close that no part of my face feels any stubble whatsoever, just like a baby's face (I also have an extremely thick beard). Before I started using the Syncro, my face would get irritated if I even looked at a razor.

But with the Braun, I have never got one shred of irritation, no matter how hard I have pressed. Someone on this board mentioned an alternative to buying the cleaning solution for the Syncro. I'm sure if you spend enough time and effort, you could build some concoction to replace the cleaning fluid, but why the hell would you want to? Its only 5 dollars for one, you pop it in the cleaning base, and that's it. Its good for at least a month - bare minimum.

Think of it as buying a can of shaving cream. If you made your own concoction it might not work, or it might end up just making some huge mess, who has time for that? Not to mention that the cleaning solution really aids in the performance of the shaver, without a doubt. If money is the issue, then just buy a lower model Syncro, and use the remaining money to buy refills. After you start using the Syncro for a while you'll start to realize that buying the cleaning solution is necessary, and really makes a difference in shave performance. If anyone here has any questions about the Syncro or any of my experiences with all the other shavers on the market please feel free to email me.

Thanks for your E-mail, Jock, endorsing the Braun Syncro shaver.

From: "Gerald Loehndorf"

Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 12:24 AM

Mr. Steelbeard:

I have tried many different kinds of lotions on my Phillishave razors over the past 40 years, and frankly cannot find a lotion that will give me the required "slipperyness" for my face. I've even tried the Talc Stick that Remington produces, but finds that it only dulls the razor.

Is there some formula that I could experiment with (a combination of oil, alchohal, scents) that I could try that might give me a closer shave?

Jerry Loehndorf

Thanks for your inquiry, Jerry.  I hope that readers of this forum can provide suggestions to you.

Name: ShaveGuy

Date:  Wednesday, April 18, 2001 03:14:42 AM

Subject: closest shave

Dear all,

I'm looking for a close shave, and I currently cant get a close enough one with my Mach 3 and shave gel, shaving against the grain gets a close shave but irrates my face and i get razor burn. Im thinking of buying an electric razor but I want to know if I can get a shave that will be close enought o rub my hand up my face and not feel rough. Thanks- I need a pro's advice

-shaveguy

p.s. I also dont have too much money, looking for something under 150, but would like info on anything over 150 still.

thank you

Thanks for your inquiry, Shaveguy.  The shavers which seem to be getting the most attention are these three product lines:  The Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action; the Panasonic Linear 8000 series; and the Braun Syncro line.  All have their fans and critics.  Everyone who follows these postings know I use a low end corded Philishave Quadra Action model which falls within your price range.  All suggestions are welcome and I hope this helps.

From: "donikatz"

Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:26 PM

Dear Mr. Steel Beard,

Wow, great site! Based on the recommendations here, my friend bought a Braun Syncro 7526 and loves it. After trying it I'd have to agree that it's by far the closest, gentlest shave I've ever had (been using cheap Norelco rotaries since I was 12). Always the cynic, however, I just can't believe the latest Norelco Quadra can't go head-to-head with the Syncro.

Has anyone tried both a Quadra 6800 series and a Syncro 7500 series? I'm most interested in a comparison of closeness, gentleness, and shaving time in the morning. Thanks!

donikatz

NYC

Thanks for your inquiry, Donikatz.  I hope someone tried a head to head comparison between a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action model and a Braun Syncro model.

From: Curt Hatton

Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:17 AM

I too have been a uneducated and uninformed electric shaver for 10+ years. I loved the closeness of a blade, but hated the price you had to pay. So I started using a Braun, then Norelco w/lotion, then Panasonic wet/dry...the typical search for the Holy Grail. I'm back on that search and was almost sold on the Grundig Avantgarde, but have also heard super things about the Braun Syncro. Two things:

1. Any feedback on either shaver...good, bad and ugly?

2. On the Braun...anyone come up with their own cleaning solution and would be willing to share that with the rest of us...on line or off?

Any responses would be appreciated...great site.

You're welcome, Curt and thanks for the inquiry.  I hope whoever reads this can provide answers for you.

From: <BareschH>

Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:51 PM

Mr. Steel Beard,

I am wondering who manufactures the Philippe Amiel Shaver and what stores carry it?

Thanks for your inquiry.  I wish I knew the answers.  If I recall from a previous posting, the Winn-Dixie supermarket chain, located throughout the American South and on the Internet at http://www.winn-dixie.com, had carried it in some of their stores.  My speculation is that this shaver is made by an OEM shaver supplier in Asia.  I hope others can reply with definitive answers.  I hope this helps.

From: "Chris Ingrassia"

Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:25 AM

This is a response to David Lemsons comment about not being able to get the cleaning unit to the Braun Syncro to open. I decided to address this concern because several of my friends have encountered this problem as well, not to mention myself. As wonderful a shaver as the Syncro is, and as wonderful a cleaning unit as the charger/cleaning stand is, Braun put springs that are too weak for this unit to make it effectively open. This is a minor defect that I'm sure Braun will eventually have to correct, because everyone I know who has this shaver has encountered this very problem.

The springs are too weak to pop up the stand to take out the old cleaning cartridge or put in a new one. The only remedy I have found to this is to first remove the shaver from the unit (obviously) and then press the release button while gently grasping the bottom of the charging unit and gently pull and shake it apart. This is very frustrating, but it will work. Thank God we only have to do this once every month or so. Fortunately, since you are removing the cleaning cartridge at the end of its life, most of the liquid in it has evaporated, therefore reducing the chance of it spilling out all over the place when your trying to shake it open.

I'm sure if Braun received enough letters about this problem they would have to address it, either buy mailing us all new springs or replacing our charging stand all together, who knows. Personally, it isn't a big enough inconvenience for me to contact Braun, since I only have to go through it once a month or so. This problem doesn't happen every single time I have tried to open the unit mind you, it has only happened upon occasion. It is a minor inconvenience though, but I always do eventually get it open, never taking longer than a minute or two at most. I feel that this shaver is far too extraordinary to let a minor inconvenience like this to prevent you from continuing to use it, but that is just my opinion. Hope this helps.

-Chris

I'm sure it will, Chris.  Thanks for posting your comments and I hope Braun will correct this problem with the Syncro shaver's cleaner/charging stand.

From: "Chris Ingrassia"

Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 4:04 PM

I already wrote my review and recommendation of the Braun Syncro before, but now I'm just letting everyone know where you can get it for the best price.

Recently, Amazon.com lowered their price of the top of the line Braun Synrco model 7570 (one with the LCD) to only $169.99. The best part is they dont charge you tax or shipping! All you pay is $169.99 to your door. They also sell the refills for 9.99 each. If you order over $100 worth of refills they dont charge shipping either, and of course, no tax. Its cheaper and much more convenient than buying it at the store since they deliver it to your doorstep. Just thought I'd pass on this bit of into to all of you. This is the greatest shaver I have ever used, and by all the comments on this board, its the greatest shaver many others have tried as well.

-Chris

Thanks for letting us know, Chris.  I'm assuming that the prices are in US dollars.

From: "David Lemson"

Date: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:04 PM

I have a Braun Syncro system and while I like the performance and the self-cleaning, I have just recently hit my first need to refill the cleaning cartridge. The only place I found that carried them was shavers.com and after having my coworkers get a laugh at accepting a package from "WE SHAVE THE WORLD FOR LESS", I figured I was all set up with my case of refills.

Well I have a problem: I can't open the stupid thing! I remember how it opened the first time, but I press the button and it doesn't come down. I have tried to force it, even with pliers, to no avail. Has this happened to anyone else, and does anyone have a suggested solution?

Thanks for your question, David.  I hope others can answer the question who have figured it out.  Fortunately, there are Internet shops who sell the replacement cartridges.  I specifically mention Mercury Shaver Centre, one of my sponsored links.  Just click on their banner on my home page.  If you look above, Chris found them at Amazon.com as well.  I hope this helps.

From: Peter Valkenburg

Date: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:35 AM

Subject: sound of a shaver

Website: www.alt-control.nl

Does someone has a sound (mpg or wav) of a shaver?

Thanks for helping me out.

Thanks for you inquiry, Peter.  Looking through the search engines, the best I could do was this URL: http://www.sfxsearch.com/sfxsearch/Categories/HOUSEHOLD/BATHROOM/results.html which had a listings of various sound effect CDs you can order with a handful of listings having downloadable clips which use Quicktime including about two or three of electric razors.  I hope others can be of assistance and I hope this helps.

From: "george pitcher"

Date: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:08 PM

I have been struggling to find replacement screens for the Schick 400 series razor. I am looking for the cartridge unit not the older style foil. I am having a hard time tracking it down. Can you suggest any places I should try?

Thanks. If you would email me back with any suggestions I would appreciate it.

Thanks

George Pitcher

Thanks for your inquiry, George.  Other than third-party parts suppliers such as All-Appliance-Parts.com (which I have a link to in the list of shaver shops online), I can't think of any tips as Schick shavers disappeared years ago.  I hope others can help and I hope I helped.

From: "Tom Lyon"

Date: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:27 AM

Hi Gary!

I was not sure which address to use, so I used both.

Here is my three month experience with my new Braun 7570 Syncro electric shaver. I love it!

But first, my shaving history. I started with blades some forty years ago. When I went into the military, my girl friend gave me a two-headed Norelco as a gift. It was quite good, quiet and shaved my neck well, but it's best shave left me with immediate five o'clock shadow.....eg not a close shave at all. So I went back to blades. But I tired of them, so I tried a total of two or three Braun shavers over a period of 10 years. They were okay, nothing to write home about, and though their shave was closer than the ancient Norelco, it still was not as close as a blade. I graduated to a Mach-3 blade. Ah, at last a close shave, but I would occasionally (two or three times a month) nick myself. In summary the Mach-3 was the closest shave up to that time, but not the most comfortable except when using a new blade.

So for Christmas 2000 Santa gave me a new Braun 7570 Syncro electric shaver. It is the top of the line with LCD display of information, and a really great Cleaner / Charger unit. I was afraid of a repeat of my previous Braun experience of a few years back. I was wrong. This new Braun Syncro is giving me the best (closest and most comfortable) shave I have ever experienced! The Braun Syncro shaver gives me a shave that is as close or closer than the Mach-3 blades. When I feel my face twelve hours after shaving, the stubble from a Mach-3 blade shave feels "sharp" and uncomfortable to the touch, especially against the grain. Twelve hours after a Braun Syncro shave, the stubble feels "dull and soft" by comparison when touched against the grain. The Synco shave feels better to the touch. Also the Syncro effectively cuts the hairs on my neck, front, sides, back. Most of my beard is straight, but the gray hairs tend to be wiry and sometimes curl, but the Syncro cuts them too. I would judge my beard to be "normal", not "heavy".

The Cleaner / Charger unit does a great job of cleaning the Braun Syncro razor. I took off the cutter head assembly before using the shaver, out of curiosity, and to see how clean it is when brand new. Using the Cleaner unit after each shave results in the head cutter assembly being just as clean after cleaning as it was when brand new! It looks clean and smells clean. By the way, despite the concern over the cost of the refills for the Cleaner unit that has been mentioned in this forum, the economics are in favor of the Braun Syncro with the Cleaner / Charger unit when compared to the cost of Mach-3 blades. More on that follows this paragraph.

Now the economics.

I purchased my Braun 7570 Braun Syncro (which includes the Cleaner / Charger unit), and the refills, cutter / head at a local Bed, Bath & Beyond store.

US$ 179.99 for the Braun 7570 Syncro which includes the Cleaner / Charger unit. US$ 9.99 for a pack of two refill cartridges (that is $5 per refill cartridge) Braun says the refill lasts 30 days. Mine lasted 40 days. US$ 29.99 for a replacement foil cutter head assembly. (Braun says to replace it every 18 months)> US$ 5.83 for a package of four Mach-3 blades at the local Walmart. That is $1.46 per blade ($5.83 / 4 blades). By the way, the package of four blades is less expensive per blade than the packages of eight or twelve blades.

$ 0.10 per shave for the Braun 7570 Syncro if it lasts only five years. ($180 / (5 yr x 365 days))

$ 0.17 per shave for the cleaner refills at 30 shaves per refill. ($5 / 30 days) My experience is at least 40 shaves per refill.

$ 0.06 per shave for the foil cutter head assembly replacement every 18 months. ($30 / (1.5 yr x 365 days))

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$ 0.33 total per Braun Syncro shave (could be only $ 0.24 per shave if 40 shaves per cleaner refill, and 10 yrs life for the razor)

$ 1.46 per shave at 1 shave per Mach-3 blade (a co-worker with a heavy beard says he has to use a new Mach-3 blade for every shave)

$ 0.73 per shave at 2 shaves per Mach-3 blade

$ 0.49 per shave at 3 shaves per Mach-3 blade

$ 0.36 per shave at 4 shaves per Mach-3 blade

$ 0.29 per shave at 5 shaves per Mach-3 blade

$ 0.24 per shave at 6 shaves per Mach-3 blade (this is the very most I could stand using a single Mach-3 blade)

Below is my experience on number of shaves per charge. Braun says the Syncro will give about 50 minutes of shaving per charging. That is conservative based on my experience to date.

102 minutes, 29 shaves, at an average of 3.5 minutes per shave for the 1st charging

91 minutes, 27 shaves, at an average of 3.4 minutes per shave for the 2nd charging

81 minutes, 24 shaves, at an average of 3.4 minutes per shave for the 3rd charging

71 minutes, 24 shaves, at an average of 3.0 minutes per shave for the 4th charging

As you can see, my time per shave is shorter as I become more familiar with the Braun Syncro. A light touch is better than a heavy pressure. Also moving the shaver more slowly than I used to move my blade seems to do the trick for me. I start my shaving by doing the area above my lip and under my nose. My longest shave with the Syncro was around 4.5 minutes, but it did not produce a closer shave. In fact that length of time made for a less comfortable shave. My current 3.0 minute shaving time produces both a comfortable and a close shave. I do not use any gels, or any other aids.

I have tried shaving after my morning shower and before the shower. Braun's recommendation for shaving before washing my face has worked best for me. I am extremely pleased with my Braun 7570 Syncro and its cleaning unit!

Best regards, Tom

Thanks for telling your experience with your Braun Syncro shaver, Tom.  I got your posting on both my E-mail address as I'll continue to maintain both E-mail addresses.

From: <Ukoo7>

Date: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:49 PM

Dear Mr Steel Beard,

in reply to J&C Kost,

Are you from the UK or the USA, if you live in the USA the best product around is a product called Dr Moore Phase II cream, they have a web site.

http://www.mooreunique.com.

You can also use a Lancome product which contains salicylic acid its called Extra Contrôle it is an ultra-matifying concentrate, for guaranteed extreme and lasting mattness, all day long. This concentrated anti-blemish treatment eliminates excess cells, tightens skin texture and reduces sebum production. Its purifying agent and aromatherapy-based perfume neutralise bacteria on skin's surface. Salicylic acid smoothes your skin by penetrating under the surface corneal cells and weakening the intercellular links, allowing regular desquamation. Polyethylene powders and silica micro-beads prevent shine, due to their porosity and lipid absorption faculties.

Regards,

Dr Chris M Pattinson

Thanks for the tip, Dr. Pattinson.

From: J & C Kost

Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:45 AM

First I want to say thanks for providing a very informative site and forum for those who use electric razors and those trying to decide which one is best for them. Keep up the good work!

I recently read a very interesting past posting (Feb 27th 2001) by Chris Pattinson in response to Parrish who was having deep ingrown hairs and was wondering where one can find moisturizing lotion containing salicylic acid? What brands on the shelves of stores have this ingredient? My attempts in trying to find a lotion with this has been less than successful. Thank you.

Thanks for your note and the kind words.

From: "Christopher"

Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:19 PM

Well I never thought I'd really like one but I saw a new Remington R875 (Rotary) on ebay for 50 bucks so I had to try it, it's their top of the line rotary with all the electronic prompts for charging/cleaning/blade replacement...here's the rundown...it shaves close, but not quite as close as my Norelco 4000, it's a comfortable shave but not quite as comfortable as the Norelco, it's quiet but not quite as quiet as the Norelco, great ergonomics...here's the major flaw, it's a bit of a headache to clean, if you think taking your Norelco heads apart to clean is annoying wait until you try cleaning the Remington...whew...that being said I think it would be a good shaver for someone with a light beard or as a travel shaver for someone with a regular beard...for 50 bucks it was a great buy....

Chris

Thanks for your note, Chris, comparing your Remington R875 with your Norelco (Philishave) 4000 series (Micro Action) shaver.

From: Corey Drotzur

Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:57 PM

It's been 28 days since I purchased the Remington TCT MS3-2000. The shave is comparable to an old Norelco I used for years, but the sound is deafening. I sounds like a Cessna awaiting take-off on my face. Ear plugs may be the answer, but I've contacted Remington for a return. The trimmer is also a negative on this razor as you can't really see what your trimming. A very light touch on my mustache proved to be almost disastrous. This little puppy trims hair away in a flash. Bottom line: Shave is decent, but the negatives outweigh the positive.

Thanks for telling your experience with the Remington TCT MS3-2000 shaver, Corey.

From: "John Brittingham"

Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:52 PM

I have a norelco maverick beard trimmer. can i get a new rechargeable battery and if so, where? How easy is it to put in.

Note: please respond to (REMOVED). thanks for the great page

You're welcome, John and thanks for the question.  Here's a URL from Norelco for parts and service: http://www.norelco.com/service/index.shtml#ServiceCenters which includes a toll free phone number for the USA to order parts my mail.  The owner's manual for my Philips Definiton 80 which is similar to the Norelco Maverick you mentioned has instructions for removing the rechargeable battery, but that's intended to make sure you dispose of the NiCad battery properly.  Reinstalling the battery requires soldering skills and you may want to compare how much is costs to repair the trimmer as opposed to replacing it.  Today's Philishave/Norelco beard trimmers (which no longer use either the Definition or Maverick brand names) are curved to make the trimmer more ergonomic.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: Rod Munsie

Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 6:58 PM

Hello fellow shavers,

I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on a solution to my shaving problem and make a recommendation. For about 15 years I have used various Norelco electrics with quite satisfactory results, until now. They tend to die after 4 or 5 years and I end up buying a new one. I am currently using a Norelco 4865XL that is about 4 years old.

Over the last year or so, shaving has become a longer and longer process in the morning and it is now to the point where it takes about 20-25 minutes to get a decent shave. As a pre-shave, I use Mennen Afta Pre-Electric, which seems to provide good lubrication to the skin. The problem seems to be that I can go over and over the same places either in a straight line or in a rotary motion and it still leaves plenty of beard. Pressing softly, firmly or anywhere in between doesn't seem to have any effect. I have also tried numerous new blade/comb sets and these don't seem to have any effect either. The motor is still spinning as fast as ever on the Norelco and everything else seems to be in perfect operation order.

I am wondering if anyone else has had or knows of a similar situation. Over time, is it advisable to switch from a rotary to another type of razor as your beard changes? Can there be something wrong with the plate that holds the three shaving heads that's causing them to not contact my beard? I just don't know where to go with this. Like everyone else, I like a close shave and the Norelco's have always provided this. I don't mind spending the money on a new one, but am wondering if I should switch to a different type or brand. For me, ease of shaving is important and, from the comments that I've read here, I'm not sure that I'd be happy fussing with a Braun.

I live in Oklahoma City, which isn't exactly the retail capital of the world. Whatever I buy should be available at my local WalMart.

Many thanks in advance.

Thanks for your inquiry, Rod.  I have two questions about your shaver.  How often do you completely clean the shaver with a recommended cleaning solution such as the Norelco RC1776 cleaner?  Have you taken the shaver to a repair shop to get it lubricated and tuned up?  If you shaver you use is a rechargeable model, the batteries tend to last around five years before they stop holding a charge which may explain why they die after five years.  If anyone else has any tips or suggestions, please let us know.  

From: Karthik101

Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:31 PM

Mr. Shave,

I love the website, lots of info... I am going to switch from blade (mach III) to the most likely grundig 8875 model and I have a question? Do you know where I can get a cheap model (refurbished is fine) online? And what should I use before and after the shave... Thanks alot

Thanks for your inquiry.  Checking the search engines, www.arazorhouse.com sells the Grundig 'Refurbished' RFB-8875 - Price $174.95 as I type this.  While I occasionally use a pre-shave powder stick when humid weather requires it and I do not use an after shave personally (maybe Old Spice on special occasions), I hope others can tell what they use.  If hope this helps.

From: Frostee

Date: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:23 PM

Hello:

After about a month of searching, I finally found a store with the Braun Synco refill cartridges. www.arazorhouse.com.

I sincerely hope this item becomes more readily available.

Robin

Thanks for letting me know, Robin. I hope the refill cartridges will become more readily available online as well.

From: James Roseland

Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:44 PM

Hi Gary!

Thanks for a great web site. Just like shaving, reading the Electric Shaver Page is part of my daily routine.

Do you know of any way to obtain a genuinely complete list of current Norleco and/or Philips shavers? Living in the U.S., I can't comment on the availability of Philips-branded shavers, but I continue to run into Norelco models that aren't listed on their website. First it was a 5887XLD (a copper-color 5885 and a real beauty!). Since then I've seen a 6886 (Costco's 6885), a 6887 (a green metallic, individually numbered 6885) and just recently a 6866 (a black version of the brown 6865). I would like to be able to seek these shavers out rather than just stumble on them. It makes me wonder what I might be missing!

As for shaving, I think I've finally figured out why, years ago, I stayed with a Norelco triple-header after sampling just about every shaver that existed. Coverage! My wife recently brought home a new National (Panasonic) 8070 from Japan, and it's a nice improvement over the models available here, with its closeness adjuster. However, after using it for a week or so, I found myself drifting back to my Norelco simply because no other shaver shaves as much beard at once! The National covered very little area with each stroke and I found myself shaving the same part of my face over and over again. Three or or four passes with a Norelco, however, and my whole cheek is smooth. And the nicest part of this is that even the cheapest Norelco/Philips triple-headed shavers do it! (While the Norelco Q-1 is my favorite, with its pressure-sensing electronics, my old 965RX still beats even the fanciest foil shaver!) Had the rotary shaver never been invented, my daily shaving time would be doubled. God bless you, Alexandre Horowitz!

Best,

Jim Roseland

Thanks for your note, Jim.  The closest thing I know of as to a 'complete' list of Philishave/Norelco models available is one I did myself which you can read at http://iavbbs.com/gflinn/phshavrs.htm which covers shavers marketed in Europe, Canada, the USA and Japan.  Of course there are other models which may not be listed which are available in other areas of the world and I'm not including models made exclusively for certain stores such as Costco and Target.  There is another URL which lists Philips URLs globally of which some URLs list shavers and that's the Philishave Collectors Club links page which you can see directly at http://home.wanadoo.nl/philiclub/per12.htm.  I hope this helps.

From: Steve Marshburn, Sr.

Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:39 PM

Subject: Philippe Amiel Rechargeable Shaver RSCW-786

I have a heavy beard and to make matters worse, I was struck by lightning which changes the sensitivity of ones epidermis, in particular, facial skin. I have several electric razors that I have been switching on an off-and-on basis due to my sensitive skin. I, also, use hand razors. I happened to pass by a counter at the WINN-DIXIE a few days ago that had a brand of electric razor that I had never heard of previously; Philippe Amiel Rechargeable Razor. It glides across my face like rubbing your hands on silk. Seriously, I really like this razor!! I regret I did not purchase a couple of them. Matter-of-fact, I think I will go back to the WINN-DIXIE to see if they have another one left. This is a great electric razor for me! Steve Marshburn, Sr., Jacksonville, North Carolina

Thanks for your note endorsing your Philippe Amiel shaver.  I don't recall seeing an electric shaver sold in a regular supermarket (I've seen them at supercenters such as Meijer).  Having seen small electric kitchen appliances, TVs and inkjet printers sold in supermarkets, I'm not surprised to see a shaver sold in one.

From: Christopher Henry

Date: Sunday, March 11, 2001 11:42 PM

Well, once again I bought a new electric shaver. For the past three years, I have been using a Norelco 5885XL with reasonably good results, albeit with a few annoyances like the need to repeatedly shave my neck to get all of the flat-laying whiskers. The closeness of this model's shaving was generally good and had surpassed that of the Braun shavers I had used since 1984 when I took up electric shaving to avoid nicks. I bought a Grundig Roltronic Pro Avantgarde (model 8820), hoping for an even closer shave than I had with the Norelco. On the whole, I like the performance of this shaver; it does as well as the Norelco does with a little better performance in shaving the hard-to-reach spots (near the nose). On my neck, where I tend to have flat whiskers, I still need the clipper to lift the hair, but the clipper design is good in that it slides out to the level of the foil cutter and can be used easily on the neck in conjunction with the foil cutting head. I could not use the flip-out clipper on the Norelco this easily. (But the Norelco clipper is better for sideburns and around the ears than the Grundig.) In terms of ease of use, the shaver works more like my old Brauns did, but with a closer shave, comparable to the closeness I enjoyed with the Norelco. The Grundig kit included a compressed talc shave stick, which I had never used before. This made shaving smoother both with the Grundig and the Norelco (but it fills the reservoir of the Norelco pretty quickly). I am converted to the talc; for me it is much superior to the oil/alcohol liquid pre-shaves I used before. Remington Face Saver is the only brand I have been able to find of this product in my travels in the USA. Wal-Mart stores usually stock the item.

Do I recommend this expensive shaver? Yes, if you are like me and have to shave more than once daily and still find a need for improvement over the already very good Norelco.

Then again, I have not compared it to the most recent Braun or Remington shavers that, at least in the USA, are priced more competitively.

Regards.

Chris Henry

Thanks for your note with your endorsement of the Grundig Roltronic Pro Avantgarde shaver, Chris.

From: Howard Thrower Jr.

Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:02 AM

I have a Braun 7570. Do they make a cozy for it? I would like to put some kind of cover on it. Thanks

Howard Thrower

Thanks for your question, Howard.  While I have no idea, I suggest E-mailing Braun asking the same question or checking out (if you live in the USA) their on-line store through their customer service URL at http://www.braun.de/e/cc/cc.htm which lists available parts as well. I hope this helps.

From: "Peter Dignam"

Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 5:32 AM

Hi! Great site.

For the record, I've tried most major brand electrics and most major brand wet blades.

The best shave I get is:

In the bath after letting the skin soften up (doing it in he shower is OK, but you're always in danger of losing the lather).

I use a combination of: Mach 3 for the broad open areas and a National Panasonic Wet and Dry ES883 for the trickier bits where I get cut (moustache and lip area etc).

This method gives me the closet and least irritation and cuts.

Hope this is of help.

Peter Dignam

Eicon Networks

tel: 020 8967 8080 x 227

Thanks for the tip, Peter.

From: "Brett Collins"

Date: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:56 AM

I have always had a tough time with shaving, I never seem to get a close shave, and the times I do I always pay for it with terrible looking irritation on my face and neck. My super thick beard and overly sensitive skin only make enhance the problem of shaving. There always seems to be a closeness/irritation tradeoff.

For years I used practically every Norelco model available: the Quadra 6885XL, the Advantage 5655X, and the Reflex Action 5861XL. The one that worked the best out of the bunch was the Advantage, but if frequently cut my face and left me with irritation. Then two of the heads started spinning all the time on the Advantage, and when I contacted Norelco about the problem, they said this was a common defect with the Advantage shavers and sent me out a new set of cutters and combs and a new bracket plate to hold the blades in. Unfortunately, this didn't cure the problem, so they sent me out another bracket, and it still didn't work. Well I didn't have time to keep experimenting to get my shaver to work; I have a busy life to lead and don't have time to keep toying with the shaver every day.

So then I tried the Panasonic Linear shaver ES8068n out. It worked quite well at first, provided a quick, close shave, but if I pressed even a little bit too hard, it would cause severe irritation. For the most part I was pleased with the Panasonic, until the batteries started loosing most of their juice after only a few short months. I always let the battery die out and then completely recharged it just like the manufacturer said to do, but it still made no difference. The weakened battery drastically affected the quality and speed of the shave, and there's no way that it ran at its claimed 13,000 rpm's now. When I contacted Panasonic they told me to send the razor in for repair, but then they said I would get the shaver back in 6-8 weeks time minimum, which was no good for me because I work everyday. This really was a letdown, especially since the Panasonic shaver wasn't cheap at all.

So I sent the Panasonic in for repair and bought a shaver in the meantime with the intention of returning it once I got my Panasonic back from repair. I decided to try the new Braun Syncro 7570. I thought I had nothing to lose by buying it since I knew I would be returning it as soon as I got my Panasonic back. Well let me tell you something, I wont be returning the Braun Syncro anytime soon or ever for that matter! Not only is it the best shaver I have ever used, it's the best shaver I have ever used by a long shot. There really is no comparison. This shaver gives me the closest shave I have ever had in my life (yes, actually closer than a blade if you can believe it) and no matter how hard I press I have never gotten any redness or irritation at all. Its almost too good to be true. Two of my buddies have already tried out my shaver, and they were so impressed they went out and bought one each for themselves. Looks like when I get the Panasonic back I'll be giving it to my wife to shave her legs with, because there's no way I'll ever use anything but the Syncro again ever, its really that good. I know I must sound nuts raving about a shaver, but I have been so impressed by this awesome little piece of machinery, that I decided to write this contribution to spread the good word to all the men out there who constantly struggle with the everyday pains of shaving. The Syncro really alleviates it. I think everyone should check out the Syncro, I really cant recommend it enough.

-Brett

Thanks for your note, Brett with your enthusiastic endorsement of the Braun Syncro shaver.

From: "Alec Bau"

Date: Friday, March 02, 2001 11:59 AM

Gary, thanks for your reply. I have a question. By "Remington follows these notes" you mean that you have contact with them? If so, it's wonderful that> thanks to you this site became so popular and influential!

Short follow-up to my previous message. In a meantime and in the absense of mysterious Remington Intercept Washable I decided to give Remington TCT a try as a travel replacement for burned Braun 6525. I wasn't expecting too much from shaver that costs $70 and is made in China but to my amazement I'm really happy with it so far! On a side note, my facial hair is on a tough side, grows quite fast and I have a fairly sensitive skin that's easy to upset.

I have a feeling that TCT gives me even a more close shave than my main beloved Panasonic 8068N that I thought couldn't be surpassed, especially by something half the price. Certainly it takes a bit longer (8900 vs 13000 rpm) but then it feels not so aggressive on the skin as Panasonic though not so gentle as Braun.

Real and noticeable success are these dreaded neck hairs that were always a stumbling block for both Panasonic and Braun. TCT cleans them very well and fast, just in 2-3 passes. Probably it's because TCT has this unique 3rd foil instead of usual middle cutter. Also replacement foil and cutters are almost twice as cheap as the ones for Panasonic and Braun. TCT is quite light and has a very ergonomic, easy to hold shape. Don't know about its reliability though, materials look indeed relatively cheap and flimsy. And Remington should use NiMh batteries instead of NiCad's. But that are minor gripes, otherwise I could heartily recommend the TCT shaver.

Thanks,

Alec

Thanks for the update, Alec in endorsing the Remington Microscreen 3 TCT shaver.  Yes, some of the shaver companies do follow these postings, and occasionally I'm in contact with staff members of these same shaver companies.

From: "Alec Bau"

Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:38 PM

Haven't visited this wonderful site for some time and very glad to see that Mr. Steel Beard is alive and kicking! I have an interesting experience and questions concerning Remington Intercept shavers that I thought may be worth sharing with you and other people on this forum.

I have Panasonic 8068N as my primary shaver which I'm very happy with unless I need to travel since Panasonic is heavy, bulky and requires to lag around the charging cradle. Recently I was in a market to replace my other travel/backup shaver, Braun 6525 Flex Integra Ultra Speed, that died on me (motor burned) only after less than 2 years of moderate usage. Otherwise I really liked it because of light weight, good shave quality, long charge on NiMh, being gentle on skin and ability to work from cord and adapt to different international voltage requirements. So everything one may want from a good travel shaver!

So I was looking for something comparable, not very expensive (<$150) and that can be also cleaned under the water since the only thing I hated about Braun was that boring, lengthy and not very hygienic procedure of cleaning it by brush. Braun Syncro was out of question since I lost any believe in Braun quality and also I feel that Syncro is overpriced.

So naturally I started to look at Remington Intercept on the Remington's US site and immediately rejected it because none of 3 models were washable. Next choice was TCT and I went to nearby (I live in NYC) Remington factory shop where top model TCT was on sale for $70. Intercepts were on display and to my surprise besides all M28x models that I saw on web site there was one Intercept Washable and one Intercept Sensitive (also washable) model! Moreover, they had NiMh batteries, as opposed to NiCad's for all other Remingtons, and the package stated that they had "Turbo" high speed motor. Prices were in line with "regular" Intercepts.

Since store clerk knew nothing about these 2 models and why they're so much different I checked Remington's web site again but this time I looked at Canada and UK offerings. And, here it is, Canadian site lists 4 Intercept RS6xx models (as opposed to 3 M28x models for US) that ALL are WASHABLE, have a high speed 8900rpm motor and have a hypoallergenic foil coating. One other model RS7830 also claims to have a special foil for sensitive skin! UK site also had RS series Intercepts but with different model numbers that were split in 2 groups - Intercept Washable and Sensitive.

I'm very intrigued by these new Intercepts that apparently are much better than US offering and have some questions:

1. Did anyone had experience with Intercept Washable or Sensitive or heard anything about them?

2. Maybe someone knows a US or Canadian site that sells this models?

3. How come that US has apparently older and more primitive models compared to Canada? I understand that Remington is a UK company but US should be a bigger market for them than Canada, right?

Sorry for a lengthy message and thanks again for such a useful site!

Alec

NYC, US

Thanks for your note, Alec.  Remington follows these notes and I'm sure someone will provide answers I can't answer.  As for Intercept model availability, I myself have seen Intercept shavers at stores in Canada more than in the USA.  At this writing, I haven't found any on-line store which mentions a Remington Intercept Washable shaver on the web site.  If anyone has any suggestions, please let us know.

From: Milind Deodhar

Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:41 AM

The only site which gives you good idea about shavers.

I am 26 years old, and want to shift to using electric shavers, but do not know about advantages and disadvantages of using the electric shaver in long run. One of my friend told me that , after using electric shaver for a year, he started getting black spots on his skin and he stopped using it. Can you clarify that?

Second, there are so many electric shaver in the market, I am confused. Can you tell me one good electric shaver. I think I likes Braun and Norelco. But Braun Syncho is nearly 170$, which is little costly for me, I am planning to spend at the most 100-110 $ for it.

Thanks

Milind.

Thanks for your note, Milind.  Yes, the Braun Syncro is pricey.  My personal preference is for one of the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers of which I use a low end corded Philishave Quadra Action myself and many of the refurbished models available on line (including through my sponsored links) do fall within your price range.  I do not recall any comments about developing black spots except a couple of years ago when someone complained about developing dark spots while using a Wahl shaver which was blamed on the foil's plated surface if I recall correctly.  I hope this helps.

From: "David Ritiro"

Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:56 PM

thanks for the great site! i just recently stumbled upon it and have a question of my own...

after reading chris's zealous review on february 14th, i just purchased a braun syncro 7570. i too have tried multiple kinds of electric shavers, razors, skin preps, gels, and creams and have yet to find a method for getting a close shave without leaving my skin in razor burn hell. i am now switching from the panasonic linear 8003 to the syncro. i had been using a shaving gel with the linear in the shower, but now i'm not sure what i should use to prep the skin for shaving (and to calm it down post-shave).

what sort of skin preparation and after-shave treatment work best with the syncro? i bought some of the "total shaving solution" oil drops so i could use that... or perhaps lectric shave or a shaving gel (although i don't know if that wouldn't work with the syncro). any suggestions or comments?

thanks.

dave

Thanks for the inquiry, Dave.  As I don't have a Braun Syncro, I can't answer the question but I hope that other Braun Syncro users who are reading this can answer your question.

From: "Anthony Samson"

Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:40 AM

Hi Gary,

I just wanted to give feedback to those users of the Braun Syncro system who have been expressing their concern about the cleaning cartridge. I have been using a Braun Syncro 7526 for the past three weeks now. This is a good, gentle shaver. My only dislike about it is the fact that you have to throw out the cleaning cartridge every month. I'm not sure if that's environmentally friendly. Also, the fluid itself is probably much less-expensive to manufacture than the plastic cartridge it comes in. I would prefer to simply empty out the dirty cleaning solution and stubble, and then refill the fluid. So, I asked Braun if they would offer the cleaning fluid in bulk refill form, maybe in 2 liter packages. They said that no plans like that are in the works.

Anyway, I have a question for you. I'm going bald. My hairline has receded and the top of my head has very little hair left. So I thought about just going completely smooth, completely bald. But I would not use a blade razor like most men. What electric razor would work well for such a large area?

Do you think rotary may work better since you can move it around in circles? Foil shavers generally move in a straight line lateral fashion. Circular motion is probably easier for shaving your own head, due to the awkwardness of it in front of a mirror. I know you answered a somewhat similar question in the past, but I cannot find it among the archives.

Anyway, I really enjoy your site and the forum. I tried sending this e-mail from the website directly. But perhaps the server may be down since it is about 4:30 in the morning!

Thanks

Tony

You're welcome, Tony and thanks for your note.  Speaking as a bald person, I heartily endorse the Philishave/Norelco shavers with the Reflex Action heads which adjust to the contours of your head in a three-dimensional manner.  Yes, shaving with a circular motion is recommended for head shaving in my opinion.  The Philishave/Norelco models would be either the top of the line Quadra Action (which I use at home) or the Reflex Action (which I use when travelling.  Both are dry shavers.  If you prefer a wet electric shaver, either the Philishave Cool Skin or Norelco Advantage also have the Reflex Action heads.  I hope this helps.

From: "Chris M Pattinson"

Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:44 AM

Subject: "Parrish" Deep Ingrown Hairs

Dear Mr Steel Beard,

I saw the message on your web page from "Parrish" on the subject of deep ingrown hairs, from my experience the first thing he needs to do is stop shaving for about 7 to 10 days and lift the ingrown hairs with a sterile needle, unless these hairs are released from under the skin surface the infection will not clear up. Use a face scrub in combination with a scruffing lotion from Clinique etc during this 7 to 10 day period and continue to use after all the hairs are lifted by alternating between a face scrub and face product like Nivea Double action face wash, it's also important not to tweeze out the ingrown hairs as this causes epidermis skin trauma which leads to more inflammation and more trapped hairs and this just makes the problem worse. The one thing you do not want to do is generate any scare tissue.

The next thing to do is to make sure the skin is prepared before shaving with a good shaving oil, like Ultimate shave or Total Shaving solution, both these products work well as pre electric preparation and only a 3 or 4 drops are required.

In my experience also the choice of a (Remington, Norelco or Philips) electric rotary shaver from some people is the wrong choice as it tends to cut the ends of the hairs off at different angles and this can lead to more ingrown hairs, as I have mentioned on this board before I use either a Braun Syncro 7570 or a Panasonic 8003 Linear, but after using the Braun more I now feel this is the ultimate electric shaver for people who in the past have suffered with ingrown hairs as it's so gentle on the skin and due to the 4 way cutting system it appears to cut the majority of hairs flat to the skin surface but not below the skin line like the rotary lift and cut shavers are designed to do and since using this Braun Syncro 7570 shaver I have not had one ingrown hair problem. The rotary shavers seem to work best for people with straight beard hair which tends to be more on the coarse side. It is important however not to press on too hard as this will cause razor burn and more inflammation leading to ingrown hairs. Always remember to shave after a shower as the steam will tend to lift the fine hairs which must of the time are the hairs which tend to become ingrown as they tend to get stuck to the skin surface and do no reflex back like coarse hair will tend to do, I know this is against the guidelines from Braun, but after a shower as long as the shaving oil is used the results are excellent. Finish by applying a moisturiser containing salicylic acid, which is a fruit acid to help lift the hairs and close the hair follicle. Once the hair follicle is closed the chances of ingrown hairs returning are remote.

I hope this is of some help.

Warmest Regards.

Chris M Pattinson London UK

I sure it will be of help, Chris.  Thanks for your tips.

From: "Jonathan Harris"

Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 4:53 PM

Hi,

I have been using cheap Norelco shavers for many years. I am about ready to upgrade. I have been comparing shavers and reading your page (which is very informative). I have a few questions.

1) how long do the cleaning cartridges for the Braun Syncro last?

2) how often do you have to replace the various parts on a rotary shaver (i.e. the Norelco Quadra razors)

3) can you get just the just the screen for the Braun Synchro razors? All I seem to be able to find is the screen and cutter packaged together. Don't you have to replace the screen less frequently then the cutter?

4) is the Syncro wet/dry?

5) what is the difference between the Panasonic QES8003 and the ES8068? which is better?

6) Do the Braun Syncro and the Panasonic have cords, base stations, or both? (I would rather have a cord when a travel).

7) are the Panasonic parts or the Braun parts more expensive? how about the Norelco?

8) does wet/dry really help? Is it worth the effort?

9) how do people feel about Factory serviced shavers?

Thank You,

Jonathan

Thanks for your note, Jonathan.  I'll try to answer the questions I can answer and I hope others will answer the questions I can't:

1)  As I don't have a Braun Syncro, I hope others can provide the answer.

2)  The whole head assembly should be replaced, that is all the combs and cutters, should be replaced every year or two, or if shaving performance diminishes.

3)  Usually with foil shavers, the foil is replaced more often than the cutters.  Again, I'm not familiar with the Braun Syncro's maintenance routine so I hope others can help.

4)  The Syncro is a dry shaver.

5)  Comparing the 8003 with the 8068, I found specs for both the 8003 and the 8068 on the Panasonic Canada web site.  Both models charge up on an hour using an induction charger, have a 5-stage LED battery monitor, charge status lamp,  slide-up trimmer, universal voltage and runs at 13,000 RPM.   The 8068 is Triple Blade with Independently Floating System with a Stainless Steel Foil while the 8003 has a 3-Dimension Floating Triple Blade System with a Titanium Coated Stainless Steel Foil.  The suggested price on the 8068 in Canadian dollars is $269.95 while the 8003 is $349.95 Canadian.

6)  They both use charging bases and cannot be used corded.

7)  Using a single on-line source for this price comparison (shavers.com), I found that the replacement Braun Syncro foil and cutter set is $ 29.95, the Panasonic 8068 foil is $32.95 and the cutter is $22.95 , and the Norelco HQ6 heads for the Quadra Action shavers are $ 37.95  all in US dollars from shavers.com

8)  The wet/dry shavers seem to be preferred by those who like to keep the wet shaving experience.  If you read the Survey Page results from the past few months, those who use the wet electric shavers believe they do a better job.

9)  I have a refurbished shaver myself, the Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver which I'm happy with.  The only down side I see to getting a refurbished shaver is that the warranty is less than with a new shaver and the packaging may be either plain or recycled.  Otherwise, the shaving performance is identical to a new shaver and you save money.

I hope this helps.

From: Howard Thrower Jr.

Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:53 AM

I have just purchased a Braun 7570. I have been using a flex head for years and liked it very much. I have read with interest some of the comments with regards to the cleaning cartridge and was wondering if anything would be wrong with refilling it with Williams Lectric Shave and would it do the job. Howard

Thanks for your question, Howard.  I don't think that Williams Lectric Shave would do the job.  It's not intended for cleaning, it's intended to condition the skin before shaving.  If you read further below, John Perkins posted a note on January 26 speculating on the ingredients of the cleaning solution to clean the Braun Syncro.  I hope this helps.

From: "Parrish"

Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:44 PM

First off, great site. Very informative and full of shaving wisdom. I was wondering if you or perhaps some readers could help me with a problem I am having. The problem is deep ingrown hairs. Not shaving bumps, but ingrowns that last for months and often need dermatologist attention. Now, I have been using a Norelco electric shaver for many years and these problems have just started within the past 2 years. I use NO skin preparation. And I have NEVER cleaned the razor. Just shave and go. However, I have replaced the heads just recently which seemed to stop the problem temporarily. My questions are many. Is this some sort of bacterial infection due to possible dirty heads? If so, how should I clean them? Should I try another shaver even though my skin doesn't seem that irritated after shaving? Should I use a different skin preparation regimen or shaving technique? Is there anyone out there who had a similar experience? If so what did you do to prevent and correct the problem? How did you treat the deep ingrowns? Hopefully someone out there can answer these questions. Thanks in advance.

Thanks for your question and the kind words.  For the Philishave/Norelco shavers which are NOT designed to be cleaned wet (e.g. not the Cool Skin/Advantage or Quadra Action), both Philips and Norelco has been marketing cleaning solutions.  Norelco still markets a shaver cleaner (type RC1776) and lubricant (AL80) in the USA.  The lubricant is also available in Canada as the Philips AL80C.  Both Norelco in the USA and Philips in Canada used to market an electrosonic head cleaner which I occasionally use on my old shavers.  The aforementioned Norelco RC1776 cleaner includes a large plastic dip cup which can hold the entire head assembly.  It removes accumlation of dirt and skin oils from the shaver heads.  When I used it, I also used a cotton swab to remove the accumulated gunk from under each head after dipping the head assembly and then finished by dipping the head assembly again.  This would extend the life of the heads.  Of course, be sure to blot the head assembly dry and then use the aforementioned spray lubricant.   You can also use a liquid pre-shave which can make the whiskers stand up before cutting them.  That's my tip.  I encourage others to give us their tips.  I hope this helps.

From: "Robert Nicholson"

Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:57 AM

Is there anybody that can recommend a shaving cream for the Linear series.  Not surprisingly the gels are recommend as the shaver cannot move smoothly across the face.

Thanks for the new inquiry, Robert.  I hope that users of Panasonic/National Linear shavers can give recommendations for a certain brand of shaving cream or gel.

From: "Robert Nicholson"

Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:48 PM

Hi, I received my Linear QES8003 today from appliancesales.com

So far the shave has been remarkable better.

Thanks for the update, Robert.  This is a follow up to the note Robert posted shown immediately below:

From: "Robert Nicholson"

Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:29 PM

When in Thailand on a recent trip I bought the Phillishave 6885 model there.  I've been using it and it goes a good job around the face but has a hard time on the neck. I'm currently using the Face Saver Talk which I found in local Walgreens. I'm given some thought to trying the Panasonic QES8003 because I want to try a wet shave and think this might cut better.

Thoughts?

Has anybody had better success with the Linear series?

Thanks for your note, Robert.  Quite a few people have reported that they are happy with the Panasonic Linear shaver.  From the feedback I've been getting, a nice shaving gel with the shaver can give satisfactory results.  As for using your Philishave shaver on the neck, I found that I get a better shave by shaving in a circular motion to make sure that the whiskers reach both the slots and holes with my Quadra Action shaver.  I hope this helps.

From: "Ian C.Walpole"

Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:38 PM

Dear Mr. Steel Beard,

I've read over some of your archives and I haven't really read too much about the Braun 6525 Flex Integral Ultra speed Shaver. I had a Braun 5419, which I bought over 10 years ago and really liked it. What do you and possibly others think about the 6535? By the way I really like your website.

Sincerely Ian

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Ian.  As I type this, the current Survey Page shows that the Braun Flex Integral Ultra Speed line of shavers is a strong #2 behind their top of the line Syncro shavers amongst those whose favourite shaver is a Braun model.  Neither of those product lines were mentioned by anyone mentioning their worst shaver, so that's a good sign that the Flex Integral Ultra Speed would be a good choice.  Of course, other opinions posted here are welcome.  I hope this helps.

From: "Chris Ingrassia"

Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:24 AM

I have spent the past 10 years or so desperately searching for a way to shave that doesn't destroy my face, and gives me a relatively close shave. I have very white skin, yet I have a very thick beard, and my hair is very dark, so even when I get a close shave I still look like I have a 5 o'clock shadow. I also have extremely sensitive skin.

When I first started college I used a Sanyo shaver that I bought at Hammacher Schlemmer (who rated that particular shaver as the "best" at that time). That shaver worked quite well for the first few weeks, then gradually it started to leave me face looking like I just shaved with sandpaper. I then used a blade for the next few years, but I could only shave every other day or every third day because daily shaving with a blade for me meant a bloodbath. I think started using the top of the line Norelco micro action with the LCD readout. It worked ok, not great. It gave me a not so close shave, and usually left somewhat of an irritation on my face and neck.

I then purchased the Norelco Advantage model, and it worked great for me at first. Then it started to cut my face all the time and leave me with terrible irritation. I then used all kinds of pre-shave oils in conjunction with the Advantage and high end shaving creams and gels. Some of the pre-shave oils I used were the Total shaving solution, Lab series for men pre shave oil, King of shaves oil, just to name a few. Even with all of this preparation going into my daily shaving routine, I stilled would get nicks and irritation. Amazing. I then purchased the top of the line Panasonic linear shaver (at the time) which was around $200. It worked well for a week, but then again like clockwork, irritation started working its way into the picture. I tried dry and wet shaves with the Panasonic, it didn't matter. I then bought the top of the line Norelco Quadra (the silver one with the LCD readout). The Quadra did help out either. It didn't shave close at all, and left me with a great deal of irritation. The Quadra didn't even shave as close as the Norelco Advantage. Oh, and by the way, I frequently cleaned and lubricated all of my shavers, so that wasn't an issue.

It got so bad to the point where I even considered getting electrolysis on my face, because it looks terrible and unprofessional to walk around with nicks and cuts on your face when your at the office or taking clients out. I had almost given up all hope and thought I would try the new Braun Syncro as a last ditch attempt. I bought the model 7570. This is without a doubt the best shaver I have ever used!!! I have finally found the solution to my lifetime of shaving problems. It shaves extremely close, but the most important thing of all is that it leaves me with absolutely NO IRRITATION whatsoever! Its so irritation free that I can actually shave twice a day if I want! I don't know why the Braun Syncro works so well (the self cleaning, the 4 way moving head, who the hell knows), but all I know is that it works! Its a miracle!

Spending $180 on an electric shaver might seem like a large chunk of change (which it is), but when you consider how important your appearance is (having a clean, close shave with no irritation - right at the top of the list) you'll realize that the money is well spent. Just think about all the money you would have blown on razors and shaving creams, after shave balms, etc.

Now I can shave in the morning, and I bring my shaver in with me so I can quickly shave in the bathroom or in my office to touch up if I have a big meeting or if we're meeting important clients. $180 really isn't alot of money to spend when you look at the big picture and consider all the benefits (by the way, there are other models that start at $100). Sorry if I rambled on for so long, I just want everyone out there to benefit from all of my years of trial and error, and tons of money spent. Thanks,

-Chris Ingrassia

Thanks for your message detailing your experience with different shaver, Chris.  It will be useful to a lot of people.

From: KR

Date: Monday, February 12, 2001 3:17 AM

I'd last tried an electric razor about 15 years ago with the purchase of a Remington which gave pretty bad shaves over the few months that I tried using it and toward the end of that period it was dropped and even after an overhaul, still was unsatisfactory so I returned to the trusty manual razor. Well, after more than a decade and a half I decided it was time to give technology a try again.

What a difference - I did my homework this time, including checking the last few years of readers comments on this site and made an educated purchase this time. I opted for the Panasonic Linear series and after reading the positive comments here and at another site or two, selected the ES8003. Finally I can stop paying homage to the shaving gods - my days of blood sacrifice are finally over. From the first shave, I'm getting nearly as close a shave with the electric as I've ever gotten with a blade and this is only in the first few days. My understanding is that things get even better as your beard "adjusts" to the razor. I actually look forward to shaving now, and if the initial experience is this good, I can hardly wait for what's to come.

As for the price of the ES8003.... Pretty pricey at a list price of about US$359 and not even available retail in the US. However, it seems that Panasonic is reboxing factory blemish units and store returns (open boxes and new returns) and making them available to some US distributors. I found mine at appliancesales.com for US$119.00 plus shipping ($6.50) and Cal. Tax if in Cal.- The unit I purchased had a small imperfection in the finish and probably didn't pass Quality inspection at the factory - I can live with a small scratch and $140 savings for what is touted to be one of the best wet and dry razors available. They also had the reboxed ES8068 factory "refurb" for US$99.00 plus shipping. New 8068 were $149.00 which is about average for e-tailors.

While searching for the ES8003 I also found that there are two new Panasonic/National models presently only available in Japan. The ES8070 and ES8080. I don't read Japanese but from what I could tell, they are similar to the ES8003 but with the addition of an adjustment for different beards fine/medium/heavy and smaller profile head. List Price for the New Models appeared to be in the US$375-$400 and offered by Japanese discounters for around US$190-$220 - Perhaps someone can come up with a translation of the Japan On Line website's info.

Thanks for an informative website.

K. R

Los Angeles, Ca USA

You're welcome and thanks for your note, K.R.  I'm glad that the material in the Electric Shaver Page was helpful to you.

From: "Christopher Herbert"

Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 6:00 PM

Gary,

I just received my first electric as a gift and made the switch after Christmas. It's an Eltron 4830 (Payer) and I love it so far, even though I can only compare it to the blade I abandoned. My only concerns so far:

1. I seem to have a hard time getting all the softer hairs on my neck (I have a pretty light beard).

2. This same area is rather sensitive afterwards.

I was wondering if you could recommend any kind of pre or post shave lotion that might help and offer some advice on being more effective in the tender areas of the face.

Thanks,

Chris

Thanks for your note, Chris.  Pre-shave preparations I believe are better.  They allow the shaving surface to glide better on the skin so fewer strokes are needed and the fewer the strokes, the less irritation.  The lotions can also help in straightening whiskers before shaving.  If anyone else can post their shaving experience in using a pre-shave before using a foil shaver, such as an Eltron or Payer model, please let us know.

From: Brendon Hall

Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 3:06 PM

For the past few years I have been using a Panasonic ES704 wet/dry shaver, which is now beginning to tire. I am also having problems with in-growing hairs or hairs that won't break the skin's surface. I am now faced with the dilemma of deciding which shaver I should purchase as a replacement. Cost is not the problem, but as it is not possible to 'try before you buy' or 'return if not satisfied' I have no idea how to select the most suitable shaver for my skin. I have fairly sensitive skin and light beard growth and shave at least once a day as I prefer the clean shaven look. Recently I bought a cheap Hitachi (£22) shaver, as years ago (before the Panasonic) I had a good quality Hitachi which I was very pleased with. Hitachi don't seem to make the same quality anymore so I though I would give the cheap option a try. I was very disappointed with its performance compared with the ES704 and after only a week of perseverance, disgarded it and returned to the ES704. Please reply with any help and advice possible.

Thank you,

Brendon

Thanks for your note, Brendon.  I hope you've been following the Survey Pages I've been maintaining.  As for the ingrown hair problem, I would suggest a shaver which has slots or 'lift strips' on the edges of the shaving surface.  They are supposed to straighten flat whiskers before cutting them so that the cut whiskers do not have a pointed tip which can dig back into the skin to create ingrown whiskers.  Chris Pattinson's experience which you can read about a few notes down from this one can give you some tips.  He believes preparing your skin properly before shaving can minimize 'razor bumps' which are caused by ingrown hairs.  He likes either the Panasonic/National 8003 or the Braun Syncro 7570 shaver.  I hope this helps.

From: "Andrew Levitt"

Date: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:37 AM

Gary,

I currently use a Remington Microscreen 2 that I am pretty happy with. It is a cord model, however, and I would like to switch to a rechargeable. I'm either going to (a) get the rechargeable Microscreen 2, (b) upgrade to the Remington TCT, or (c) switch to one of the Braun Syncro shavers. I am wondering whether the TCT or the Syncro are good enough to justify the increased cost.

Thanks.

Thanks for your note, Andrew.  I've received favourable opinions about the Remington TCT models and it's a lot less expensive than the Braun Syncro.  Both models have favourable opinions, although the cleaning solution can make the Syncro expensive to maintain.  I hope this helps.

From: dmm520

Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 10:34 PM

hello gary, great work being done on your part. i would just like to point out that "tony" or anyone else who experiences a skin condition requiring the prescription of antibiotics should look at proper skin preperation or hygiene before looking to compare shavers or shaving procedures. David Muelleur M.D.

Thanks for letting us know, Dr. Muelleur.

From: "David Brown"

Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:55 PM

Hi,

I bought a Norelco Qradra electric razor 3 weeks ago and would like to share my experience with it. I've been using various electric shavers for nearly 25 years. I've been using a triple foil remington for the past 5 years. It has always shaved very close but it irritated my skin. The Quadra doesn't shave quite as close as the remington but is much more comfortable. It doesn't irritate my skin at all. It gives an acceptably close shave. While using the remington I always had dry tight skin. I now believe this was due to the irritation. After using the Quadra for 3 weeks, I no longer have the dry tight skin. My skin feels so much smoother and just plain feels better. Also, the more I use it the closer it shaves.

Thanks for telling your experience with your new Norelco (Philishave) Quadra Action shaver and your old Remington Triple Foil shaver, David.

From: "D.W. Maze"

Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 6:40 PM

Hello!

I just received a new Panasonic 8068 and I have a couple questions:

First, when should I expect to replace the foil and/or other parts?

Second, what is your personally recommended gel or foam for use with this razor and why?

Thanks!

DW

Thanks for your questions, D.W.  On the first question, the rule of thumb for foil shavers is for best shaving results, the foil should be replaced every six months (or immediately if the foil becomes dented or broken).  The cutters should be replaced every year.  Each shaver manufacturer may have their own suggested intervals for replacing foil and cutters.  On the second question, I reviewed last September's Survey Page results of which the questions were about wet/dry shavers.  They recommend a shaving gel as opposed to shaving foam or other shaving preparations.  While no mention was made about certain brands of shaving gel, my inexperience with wet shaving (I've always been a dry shaver user) has me asking wet shavers to give their suggestions as to a favourite shaving gel.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "anthony samson"

Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:13 AM

Hi Gary,

Ten years ago, I tried to make the transition from blade to electric to cut down time. I bought a high end Norelco at the time. It had the quick charge capability, LCD display of remaining charge, etc. I never really invested the time to make the transition right. I was much younger, rash, and ignorant then. I also never cleaned that shaver except to open the top, and shake/brush out the accumulated beard dust.

I ended up getting a skin infection and had to take antibiotics. I can't say for sure that was the cause. But I believe it to be. Due to lack of knowledge, I got rid of that expensive Norelco. I haven't used an electric until about a month ago.

Now, I realize the importance of cleaning the shaver with proper solvents, or soap and water, to prevent bacteria build up on the foils and blades. That's what made the Panasonic attractive. It can be washed with soap and water. But I didn't want to spend a lot of money since I just wanted to try it out and may not like it. So I bought a Wet/Dry ES7003, Sonic Triple-Blade. This shaver has done a good job for the last month. Shaves close, fairly comfortable, and quick. My main complaint is that it is a little bit loud. The other shavers I see (hear) at the gym locker room are also quite loud.

I want to try the Braun Syncro. The cleaning system on it should clean and disinfect the shaver adequately. My only concern is whether the Syncros are quiet compared to other shavers. I went through your excellent archives, but haven't yet gotten a definitive answer due to the fact that this is a relatively new product.

I have read that the Grundig Rolltronics shavers are the quietest, but would hate to go that route. I think the Grundig foils and cutters may be a bit hard to find, and expensive to replace. I also do not know much about the reliability and durability of Grundigs. So, I want to play it safe and maybe try a Braun Syncro, but only if it quiet. By the way, I do prefer foil shavers so far.

Thanks for this excellent site. Your website provide men with information they need about a topic that has far too many unanswered questions.

Sincerely,

Tony

Thanks for your note, Tony.  With the Braun Syncro being a popular new shaver, I'm sure (and we both hope that) someone will post a note comparing the noise level of the Braun Syncro with other electric shaver models they have tried.

From: <BIGBULLONE>

Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:53 AM

Great sight! I have a question which I hope does not sound wacky. In one of my Sharper Image Catalogues it lists the Panasonic Linear Razor ES8003,which is silver. They say the body is metal. They also say this with their exclusive BLUE colored model. I went to the store and the Blue body looked like it was plastic. Is either ones' body Metal? Thank you. Rick

Thanks for your question, Rick.  I don't have the answer as I haven't inspected the model personally.  I do admit that advances in plastics and plastic finishes have created silver-coloured shavers which look silver until you tap on it with your fingernail to find out that it's plastic.  I suggest contacting Panasonic directly as to whether the ES8003 has a plastic or silver body.  Of course, if anyone owns the ES8003 who is reading this, please let us know.

From: <UKmusic>

Date: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:48 PM

I do not know if you want to post this on your message board but hope it will help. I am just someone who enjoys the experience of a good shave.

Warmest Regards.

Chris M Pattinson London UK

First of all let me tell you I have enjoyed reading your page for over a year now and find it very informative and the best page on the web for anyone to look at if they want to read real genuine truthful reviews of the various electric shavers on the market from the people that count, the ones who hand over there money to purchase an electric shaver.

Over the past 25 years (age 41) I have used all types of electric shavers and wet razors and in my opinion the key to success of any shave or the performance of an electric shaver, wet razor whether it be Gillette or Wilkinson sword is the preparation, I think everyone gets the occasional times when they either get razor burn or ingrown hairs (pseudofolliculitis barbae) in the neck area. The key is to cause as least amount of trauma (damage) to the skin surface (epidermis) as possible, damaged skin leads to inflammation, which during the healing process causes ingrown hairs which in turn causes those razor bumps we all hate. Everyone's beard is different in its direction of growth and bristle type, fine or course hair and that is why some electric shavers work better for some and do not for others. Its is therefore important to find the best shaver for you and what's best for me may not be best for you, this is why this page is so good it gives everyone the chance to read peoples experiences before the make there purchase, which as we know for some models on the market can be expensive, I think in the UK where I live they are more expensive than in the USA for the same product.

From my own experience I have found that using a pre shaving oil helps tremendously to avoid this trauma to the epidermis of the skin, not all shaving oils are however the same quality, Total Shaving Oil or the Ultimate shave which are the same product but sold under different brand names seem to work best for me, they are made from 100% natural oils with no artificial added chemicals.

Now for the choice of electric shaver, at the present I either use the Panasonic 8003 or the new Braun Syncro 7570 both of which give a good shave on the face and on the neck area they perform well, as long as the skin has been prepared before shaving. The Panasonic due to its high 13,000 speed will cut through any beard even after a couple of days of growth and shaves very close when used wet, the Braun all though in my hands does not shave as close, is more gentle on the skin and due to the four directional cutting system allows hairs of many directions to be cut with fewer strokes, due to the increase of 60% of the foil holes, which again has to be good for the skin. I feel one of the other keys to good electric shaving is not to press too hard as this does not give a better shave but does cause more friction which leads to more razor burn. As mentioned before on this board due to the Panasonic heavier weight it is hard to judge this pressure but after using it for a while one learns how hard too press on without causing razor burn. The cleaning process is also a nice feature with the Braun as it prepares the razor to be clean and eliminates Bacteria to a certain degree. Its like having a new shaver for each shave, obviously as mentioned on this board the downside is the cost of the replacement cartridges and the rather large cleaning unit which does take up rather a lot of space in the bathroom.

A good facial scrub is also essential to free those very fine hairs which get trapped by dead skin debris and form ingrown hairs which as we all know cause a foreign body reaction that we all hate and this leads to the razor bump (pseudofolliculitis barbae) I have used the Philips reflex and Philips Cool skin but found both these shavers did not give that close shave for me even after using them for about four months to allow my skin to get used to the different rotary shaving technique and did tend to cause some ingrown hairs on the neck area. The Nivea released from the Coolskin tended to glue the hairs down on the skin in the neck area and therefore when the shaver passed over them they we not cut off and I found the shaver worked better with just using water to keep the shaver cool and the skin lubricated. They were also not good at shaving very fine hair in the neck area, I have not tried the Quadra action and that may be better with it having the combination of holes and slots. This seems to be a good idea in my opinion. The lift and cut action seems to suit some but not others.

You can also look at the many after shave preparations like Tend Skin, Priva Shave, Clinique or the Moore technique, of these I have found the Moore technique to be the best at eliminating ingrown hairs and razor burn and obtaining a very close shave as the trapped hairs tend to be released from the skin and therefore stand up and can be shaved off more easily. Both are based on using salicylic acid, which is a fruit acid to help lift the hairs and close the hair follicle. The Moore product also has anti bacterial properties. Other cosmetic companies also use other types of fruit acid like, glycolic acid. I am not too keen on the Tend Skin or Priva shave as they both contain alcohol, which in my opinion tends to dry the skin and can cause damage.

I think a good moisturiser like Lancôme Vinéfit complete energising moisturiser, is a good choice, your skin is fully hydrated, re-pulped, fresh, radiant and protected to SPF-15 the product is based on grape-seed oil. Nivea Q10 or Nivea for men moisturiser does a good job also and Clinique Post shave healer with its high Aloe content is also good. All these products aid in healing any skin damage after shaving leaving the epidermis in good order for the next mornings shave. The key is to reduce any inflammation caused by the shaving process.

In conclusion any electric shaver or wet razor will not perform 100% if the hairs are not primed to be cut by the shaving process and if hairs are left trapped by dead skin debris they cannot be shaved off no matter how hard you press with the shaver all you will do is end up with skin damage which can be permanent and lead to keloid scarring. I have made all these mistake in the past and hope this review helps people in getting a close comfortable shave which I am sure is all our goal.

Thanks for the shaving tips and your telling experience with different shavers, Chris.

From: "Jim Talbert"

Date: Friday, February 02, 2001 3:43 PM

I am in the market for a top-of-the-line Norelco shaver. I thought the model 6885 was it until I came across a model 6886 on eBay. Does anyone know anything about the 6886? It's not on the Norelco web site. I e-mailed them but they haven't responded.

Thanks.

Jim Talbert

Birmingham AL

Thanks for your question, Jim.  The Norelco 6886 is identical to the 6885 with the main difference being the inclusion in the package of a car charging cord which plugs into the cigarette lighter.  The 6886 was mentioned in Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings from last year.  This model is an exclusive one which was sold only at Costco warehouse club stores in the USA.  I hope this helps.

From: <GRUDGE41>

Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 12:08 PM

I have used norelco razors (philips) for many, many years. I have a very heavy beard and the cutters seem to dull very quickly. The price of new cutters are expensive to keep replacing. A friend of mine has a small round cutter sharpening tool he got in Europe. This is a small round plastic casing that has a sharpening disc in the bottom, you insert a cutter into this and use the power from the razor stems to make the cutter go around and it sharpens itself....Are there any of these sharpeners available in the States???? It would sure save me a lot of money....I enjoy your site and hope you have some answers for me as I am on a fixed income from a disability and try to save money on all sides....many,many thanks for any help as to where I could purchase one of these. best wishes, Jay.

You're welcome, Jay and thanks for your inquiry.  Here in North America, a Canadian company called Vollco markets a set of sharpening discs for Philishave/Norelco shavers which is distributed to shops throughout the USA and Canada.  You can find out more through their web site at http://www.vollco.com.  I hope this helps.

From: <jnjbb>

Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:21 AM

This a a great page I've been reading for years. Thank you for providing this service.

In response to a reader's request to compare the Norelco Quadra shaver and the Remington TCT shaver, I've tried both recently and for me there is no comparison - the Remington TCT wins by a long shot. I have a relatively fast growing, thick beard and have always had trouble getting a close shave on my neck as my skin is sensitive. Blades cut my neck in a terrible wayu. I've found that foil shavers do a better job, but have never been completely satisfied until I used the TCT. It's fast and comfortable and costs less! (I used the regular Remington MicroScreen 3 before the TCT). The Norelco products are comfortable also, but they don't seem to get the long hairs, even the Quadra. With the Quadra, I found myself trying to shave the same areas over and over until my skin was numb to get the whiskers left behind, and could never get them. With the TCT, it only takes a few minutes to get a very close shave.

Even though the TCT is very close, it's not a perfect shave. I've developed a technique over the years that works good for me. I first use a foil shaver (with shaving powder) to quickly get the majority of the whiskers off, especially the long hairs (again, the TCT does the best for me). I then wash off the powder and dry my beard with a towel to get the stubble to stand up. Then I use the bottom-of-the-line Norelco rotary razor that I bought 8 years ago for $35 USD to quickly remove whatever short stubble is left. The Norelco does seem to be better at removing short stubble, and it leaves my face as smooth as a baby. It's a pain to carry around two razors, but they're not that big and heavy.

One other note. While the Remington foil shavers have worked better for me than rotary shavers, they don't seem to last as long. Hopefully my new TCT will last longer. Fortunately, the TCT costs less than many other brands.

I hope my experience is helpful to others.

I'm sure it will be and thanks for your note comparing these two competing top-of-the-line and widely available shavers, preferring the Remington MicroScreen 3 TCT model.

From: <Chris_Simon>

Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:32 AM

I recently purchased a Norelco 6885XL Razor at a great price over the Internet($102). I am absolutely amazed at how well this Razor works on cutting my thick beard. I have used blade Razors for years and they shave extremely close but dull quickly and needed to be replaced after about a week. When changing blades out I would invariably use too much pressure and cut myself for the first shave or two. I got real tired of that, so I used your forum to make my decision and go for the 6885XL, and, I have not regretted that decision. The Norelco shaves as close as the Mach3 in my opinion and is a breeze to clean and recharge. The battery usage indicator is an extremely nice feature, it leaves all the guess-work out of knowing when you need to recharge the battery. The sideburn trimmer really works too. Extra heads are readily available from Walmart and other discount stores for about $28 in my area. I purchased the Norelco Lubricating Oil and Head Cleaner from Norelco to add longevity to the blades. The spray on lubricating Oil works wonders after about a month of shaving. I also use Afta Shaving Gel to make my beard stand, as well as lubricate the heads, this helps on a clean very dry beard. I read where some of your patrons take 15 minutes in the morning to shave, I take three minutes and get a wonderfully close shave. I can't say enough good things about the 6885XL.

I only wish I had bought one a couple of years ago. I will never go back to a blade Razor again. Thanks for posting this on your Forum, keep up the good work. Chris Simon Houston, TX

I'll try to, Chris and thanks for posting your experience with your Norelco 6885XL (aka Philishave HQ6885) shaver.

From: "Alan Stolier"

Date: Sunday, January 28, 2001 12:53 PM

After years of blade shaving I recently purchased the new braun; very nice but doesn' t cut curlier neck hairs well, requiring me to use a blade for touch-up. Many years ago (15 years or so) I found that a Norelco type shaver cut these better but caused some ingrown hairs. First, will these 3-head type shavers probably continue to cause ingrown hairs and second, is there a better shaver for cutting these neck hairs. Many thanks.

Thanks for your question, Alan.  Braun has a model with both a foil and a slotted head called the InterFace which is supposed to minimize razor bumps, but I've received mixed opinions on this model.  Some of the Panasonic models have 'lift strips' designed to lift flattened whiskers before cutting.  Remington's TCT model has a trimmer alongside the foil cutter which is also intended to cut long whiskers.  As for the current Philishave/Norelco rotary models, they are getting better in terms of closer contact and are considered to be the best for neck shaving, but a bump does still occasionally show up based on my experience.  I hope this helps.

From: "Jon Nelson"

Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:59 PM

In response to a reader's question about the Grundig 8875, I've been using mine since Christmas and can tell you it's a close, comfortable shave with no irritation whatsoever. I had been a blade shaver (Mach III) and expected a painful transition period, but that didn't occur with the Grundig. The only complaints I have are that it takes a little longer to shave and I tend to have more stubble earlier in the afternoon that I did with my blade. It's a very well-made product, though, and I recommend giving it a try. (It comes with a 30-day trial period, so there isn't any risk.)

I have also tried a Panasonic 8068 and it shaved well, but it wasn't any faster than the Grundig and is quite a bit louder. The wet/dry capability is nice, but not so nice that I kept it over the Grundig.

Hope this helps.

BTW, parts for the Grundig 8875 are readily available on the Web. ElectricShaver.com is where I bought my shaver and they have carry replacement cutters and foils.

Thanks again.

You're welcome, Jon and thanks for your note mentioning your experience with the Grundig 8875 and Panasonic 8068 shavers.  Your note helps me out indeed.

From: "R A Barrow"

Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:25 PM

Subject: TELL MR. STEEL BEARD

Gary,

Howdy. I see your page is still jumping. You're doing a great job. My Panasonic ES882S is going back to the shop. Again, the motor seems to be slowing under load. As you may recall, it was in the shop in September and June 2000. Luckily, I have spares. My Panasonic ES8065 is still hangin' in there. I do not think it cuts neck whiskers as well as the ES882. If there was a better wet shave solution than Panasonic, I would definitely try it.

Thanks,

Rick

Thanks for the update, Rick.

From: <jperkins>

Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:24 AM

Very interested to see the note from Henrico as I have recently purchased the Braun Syncro 7570 in the UK and the first thing I intend to do is make a replacement for the cleaning fluid. We all know how much money companies like Braun and Epson, etc. make from consumables and they are now clearly using all the tricks of technology to ensure Joe Public keeps on buying their products for ever.

I see the Braun cleaning fluid is Ethanol (ethyl alcohol), which can be purchased in the UK as surgical spirit, I suspect you could also use a bottle of pure Vodka! The other ingredient is a light lubricating oil plus a dash of perfume. Not sure about the oil but it is a minor factor, my previous shavers all survived years with no oil! Finally, just add a few drops of your favourite aftershave lotion to taste and bingo, much money saved!

By the way, have you noticed that after a couple of shaves, the LCD displays the word "Clean!", even after a thorough clean with a brush. I suspect this can only be switched off via a digital message through the 3 pins from the cleaner. So the word "clean!" should be replaced with "Hurry up and use up your cleaning fluid rapidly so that Braun can make loads of profit out of you!".

Any chemists listening, your thoughts would be appreciated.

John Perkins

Thanks for your note, John with your comments about your Braun Syncro shaver and I hope others who are trying to make a substitute for Braun's cleaning solution will post notes here.

From: Anthony Lover

Date: Thursday, January 25, 2001 9:14 PM

I am using a 8067... NIMH battery version much better then Nicad 8066.

Previously I sued Gillette Sensor (1 shave before dull) a million years ago tried other electric and skin got 100s of little white head things. I even tried a Straight edge for a couple of years.

My Beard is ultra tough, curly, grows in many directions, ingrown hairs regardless of manual or electric. The most ingrowns come with multiblade manuals like Sensor.

I use the 8067 Wet with King of Shaves Gel now.

It works well but intermittently. Neck hairs every other time requires trimmer action. Is there anything better? My blades go dull after a few months... I do not mind replacing them.. I was just wondering if high end 8067/68 was the best for tough beards and wet shaves.

Thanks for your note, Anthony.  I'm assuming you're referring to the Panasonic Linear models 8067 and 8068.  The postings and E-mail from the past few months seem to affirm that the Panasonic Linear 8000 line of electric shavers designed to be used wet are the best ones.  Yes, the blades do go dull after a few months.  Typically, you should replace the foil first before you need to replace the cutter block as the foil would be replaced twice as often as the cutters on foil shavers.  As for the neck hairs, several foil shavers, including some Panasonic models have either slots on the edge or "lift strips" to lift flattened whiskers before cutting.  Rotary shavers, such as the Philishave/Norelco models, tend to perform better when shaving the neck area.  What you're doing seems to be my suggestion if you're satisfied with your Panasonic shaver.  I hope this helps.

From: "Hugo De Zela"

Date:  Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:38 AM 

Subject: Where can I find information on several shavers?

My grandfather recently gave me five old shavers he had lying around, they are (in no specific order) :

1.- Philishave No. 7735 / Dual Voltage / Made In Holland (seems to be of a group called "egg" from what I've seen).

2.- Philishave de luxe 90 Super / Dual Voltage / Made in Argentina

3.- Remington Rolectric / Dual Voltage / Made in Argentina.

4.- Braun Synchron Plus / Dual Voltage / Made in Argentina.

5.- Gillette Executive One-Piece Razor / Made in United States.

Does anyone know where I might find information on these items, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Thanks for your note, Hugo.  I can tell you that shaver #1 dates from the late 1940s or early 1950s.  Shaver #2 is from around 1970.  Number 3 is from the 1950s.  I hope others can help with the other models.  I wasn't aware that Philips,  Remington and Braun made shavers in Argentina.  If you have the means to E-mail pictures of these shavers, can you do that?

From: "Joseph S Sherman"

Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:22 PM

Gary,

One last question. I'm finally down to two shavers to choose from. Price is basically the same. First is the Panasonic ES8003. I like the 3 heads, plus the ability to shave wet. Second is the Grundig Pro Avantgarde 8875. I don't know much about it, but am intrigued by the dual rotary with horizontal motion cutting, thin screen, long slots to pick up long hairs. I more or less know what the Panasonic is like, but have no idea about the Grundig. Do you know much about it? Which would you recommend?

thanks.

Thanks again for your question, Joseph.  In seeking info about the Grundig shavers, I found out that they have their own URL now which is http://www.grundig-shaver.de.  The Grundig Pro Avantgarde models do look impressive but I'm concerned about availability of spare parts.  Because the Panasonic shavers are more widely distributed, replacement foils and cutters are more widely available.  If you're interested in buying a Grundig shaver, make sure that you can easily get replacement foils and cutters.  In terms of satisfaction, the Panasonic Linear line is the clear winner in terms of user satisfaction based on Tell Mr. Steel Beard postings and Survey Page responses.  The Grundig user responses I received have been few, far between and mixed.  I hope this helps.

From: "David Brown"

Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:42 AM

Hi, Which manufacturers offer a 3 or 4 week money back return policy for their electric shavers? Also, does the Panasonic Linear work as well when shaving dry? Thanks.

Thanks for your note, David.   Skimming through my links, I found two obvious URLs both for Philishave/Norelco shavers.  One is the no-risk offer URL for Norelco in the USA at http://www.norelco.com/norisk and the other is for Philishave in Canada at http://www.philishave.com/norisk but other countries may have similar no risk offers.  I don't recall seeing comments on how well a Panasonic Linear shaver performs when shaving dry. But with all the Panasonic Linear mavens who follow the Electric Shaver Page, I'm sure someone will eventually post a comment.  I hope this helps.

From: David Sadek

Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:46 PM

I was hoping you or someone else could reccomend an electric shaver, or any other products for that matter, that would best suit me. I have a very thick, coarse beard, and I have very sensitive skin. But my biggest problem is the hairs on my neck and just below my jawline area. This is where my beard starts to get really curly and it lays down totally flat against the skin. These hairs tend to get engrown and cause bumps on my neck, which both hurts and looks like crap. If I use a blade to shave the next time it ends up in a bloody mess. Until the last few days I had been using the Gilette Mach III and the Schick Tracer FX Diamond blades with some success, but I could only shave with the grain of my beard (not against it), and I still had the problem with shaving the very flat hairs on my neck. I still couldn't always get to all of them before they formed bumps. In the last few days I purchased my first electric shaver -

a Braun Syncro 7570 (Braun's top of the line model) for $179.00 U.S. dollars. With this electric shaver I am able to get a closer shave than I could with the Gilette Mach III and the Schick Tracer FX Diamond blades, because I am able to shave against the grain, which I was unable to do with any blade with out cutting myself thoroughly. There are a few downsides to the Braun Syncro 7570 that make me think there may be an electric shaver out there that would better suit my needs. Even though I am able to get a closer shave than I was able to with either of the previously mentioned blades, I am forced to press down fairly hard with it to get it to dig down deep into my beard, which causes a cut or two and also makes for a fairly slow shave (about twice as slow as the blade shaves). Last but certainly not least, the Syncro 7570 does only a marginally better job of cutting the problematic hairs on my neck. I wish I could comment on the "hygenic" cleaning system for the benefit of both you and your readers, but I have decided against opening the cleaning solution cartridge for fear of the retailer denying me a refund when I attempt to return it.

Would shaving with my skin wet benefit me at all?

If so, would a waterproof electric shaver be the way to go?

Would using either a pre-shave solution or talc stick be beneficial?

Since my neck hairs lay down so flat would I be better off using a rotary shaver with the floating discs, or should I try a two or a three stage cutting system?

Which shaver would give the fastest, closest, and most thorough shave with the least irritation?

I thank you in advance for taking the time to respond to my e-mail. .

Thank You,

David Sadek

Thanks for your note, David.  From what your experience is and from others who contacted me, I would think that going with an electric shaver which allows you to use it wet would help with your tough beard.  The Panasonic 8000 series of Linear shavers seem to be the hands-down choice for those who use a wet/dry shaver.  Going back to dry shaver options, the pre-shaves, whether it be lotion or powder, do help to glide your face better to lessen irritation.  The pre-shave lotions claim to help your whiskers to stand up but I don't know if that your help with your problem.  I'm sure others would have their own opinions.  But based on what I've been reading, I would suggest going with a Panasonic Linear shaver.  Make sure it has the "lift strips" on the edges which help to lift flat whiskers.  I hope this helps.

From: "RICHARD_I"

Date: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:28 AM

After more than 10 years on my Philishave 990 and with the cutters getting blunter and blunter I have decided time has come to invest in a new shaver. I am interested in the Philips Quadra 6000 series but a couple of things are unclear to me from the Philips web site.

1. To clean the shaver after use, is a rinse under the tap all that is necessary or do you still need to use a brush?

2. Does the head actually detach from the body of the shaver (as my 990 does) and do the cutters and guards detach from the head?

3. If you clean the cutters etc under the tap, do you have to dry all the various parts afterwards?

4. Is there a separate recharging unit (for the rechargeable models) or do you simply plug in the shaver to the electricity socket (as I do with them 990)?

5. Does the shaver come with some sort of leather or other protective cover?

An amazing site. I would never have thought that a forum would exist on shaving! Thanks a lot.

Richard

Thanks for your note and the kind words, Richard.  I'll try to answer your questions in the order you ask them:

1.  My experience with my Philishave HQ6425 Quadra Action shaver shows that I only need to use the brush occasionally after rinsing the heads for stubborn whiskers.  Water under the faucet at full force seems to do the job most of the time.

2.  Whilst the head assembly is hinged (finally the 'flip-top' is back) to aid in rinsing, it does detach from the shaver if you want to do that.

3.  A simple wiping dry of the shaver with a towel and air drying of the rust-resistant heads is all that's needed.  After drying, I use the Philips AL80C spray lubricant that's available in Canada.

4.  The rechargeable models have all the recharging electronics inside the shaver so you use the power cord that comes with it to charge it up.  I should mention that this mains cord is a special one with a small transformer built into the plug so the shaver operates at a low voltage.

5.  Whilst the Quadra Action shavers come with a protective cover, the cover does vary by model:  The high-end models come with a rubberized storage travel cassette and a stand/wall holder.  Middle of the line models come with a deluxe storage/travel pouch.  Low end Quadra Action models such as my HQ6425 have a cloth storage/travel pouch which I don't really make use of for I did obtain a wall holder separately for my corded shaver.  I did modify it by cutting the front portion of the holder so I could grab the shaver and put it back with the cord still attached.

I hope this helps.

From: <sperry14>

Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 4:03 AM

Hi

This is Steve. I am 40 and I have a medium beard when I shave. I bought a new HQ 6889 by Philishave (purple one). I like it. But, it takes 10-15 minutes to shave every morning. Would like to get it faster than this. Also I am having problems with the chin area (below the mouth). Any tips? Thanks Steve Perry

Thanks for your note, Steve.  I found that I had to alter my shaving routine with the Quadra Action model so that I make sure that I shave with more of a circular motion so that the whiskers could enter first the slots then the holes.  Remember that the shaving area around the holes is thinner than the shaving area around the slots so you get a closer shave when the whiskers enter the holes.  Because of my goatee, I can't give you first-hand tips about chin shaving but I hope others can tell us their tips.  I hope this helps.

From: Donald Pike

Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:48 PM

Hi!

I just got onto your website and have already learned a great deal. After chemotherapy changed the structure of my beard whiskers (much coarser when my hair came back), I've found shaving with a blade virtually impossible now in many spots due to circular beard growth patterns on my neck. (I end up looking like the sorry result of a slasher flick!) From everything I can tell, it would seem more to my advantage to use a rotary shaving system like Norelco.

However, I think the Norelco Advantage (Philips Cool Skin), though a novel idea, could end up being more annoying in the long run. I think replacement of the shaving lotion cartridges seems more of a hassle than it's worth. (Especially if I find the Nivea cartrdige to not be as effective as lotions I currently use.)

I'm leaning toward a Norelco Quadra Action. Since the heads are fully rinseable underwater, can a light lotion be applied for a somewhat "wet" shave? Skin conditioning is essential for me. If it can't be used wet, can the skin be treated (i.e., lotion applied, but fully absorbed into the skin and beard) prior to shave? Or would it be a better idea to merely shave dry and apply a lotion later?

Thanks for your help.

Don

Thanks for your question, Don.   Using a pre-shave is highly recommended in your case.  I wondering if you're referring to Williams Lectric Shave or something similar.  This product has been available for over 50 years and is still popular.  My only suggestion is not to use too much of it as I found out several years ago that it can damage the heads.  But that was then and I understand that improvements in the shaving heads and reformulation of the product has eliminated the problem I had when the glued-on discs on my old Philips Rota Action shaver got loose.  Because the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action shavers have rust resistant heads, I see no problem with a little bit of lotion even though this shaver is not intended to be used wet.  I hope this helps.

From: Chris Palser

Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:37 PM

Ok, I'm starting to shop for a new electric razor. I shaved with a standard Norelco non-rechargeable, non Lift-n-Cut for about 10 years. Great razor, replaced the blades once, but never shaved as close as a blade (can you see where I'm going yet?).

So, about 2 years ago, I went back to a blade. Gillette Sensor with gel shaving cream. I love the shave, but have had problems with stubble slowing the drainage down in our bathroom sink piping, even with periodic cleansing. Plus, I would like to get away from the mess in the sink (and so would my wife), as well as gain some convenience with a rechargeable razor and quit cutting myself around my lips, where I seem to have some extraneous whiskers that give me a pretty hard time. I really like the sealed units that you can rinse under water to clean, also.

Anyway, I was under the (false?) impression that foil razors would give a better shave. Maybe that's just my impression because they look more like a blade razor. Anyway, I have a tough beard and not senstive skin. I'm not looking to spend $200, under $100 is more in the budget. I've looked at the Remington Microscreen MS3-1000, which seems to be a pretty good razor for the price. Anyone have any comments on how the Remington TCT matches up against the Norelco Quadra? What's the difference between the Norelco Quadra and the Norelco Reflex Action? How does the Remington Microflex compare to the Quadra? What about the Remington Microscreen vs the Braun Flex?

One last question, anyone heard of PHILIPPE AMIEL? I've seen a few of these around, but never heard of them. My guess is that their a Remington or Braun imported rip-off version, but it's just a guess.

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I don't want to spend six months buying and trying out razors, when there seems to be a lot of good information out there. Thanks for the great info, by the way!

Chris Palser

Franklin, OH

Thanks for your note, Chris.  I haven't come across side by side comparisons yet between a Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action and a Remington Microscreen 3 TCT.  The TCT is the less expensive choice if budget is the main issue.  The Quadra Action is what I use and I'm pleased with it.  The main differences between the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action and Reflex Action models are that the Quadra Action has a combination of holes and slots while the Reflex Action is slots only; and the Quadra Action is waterproof for easy cleaning while the Reflex Action is not.  I like the ergonomic construction of the Remington models as opposed to the Braun Flex models.  The Phillipe Amiel shaver I did find on the Internet as I write this is on a picture which was too out of focus to allow me to determine its origin.  I believe that an OEM shaver maker makes this shaver but I could not figure out which one.  So in a nutshell, if you can't afford the Philishave/Norelco Quadra Action (assuming you can't find a Quadra Action model in your price range), try the Remington Microscreen 3 TCT.  I hope this helps.

From: <Ukoo7>

Date: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:56 AM

Dear, Mr Steel Beard,

I have been using my Philishave Coolskin Shaver for 4 months now and I have been getting a lot of ingrown hairs in the neck area. I wrote to a Dermatologist and he claims that a Rotary razor is the wrong razor to use as they cause this problem. I will attach his e-mail. Please let me have your views.

Philips have been very good in offering either to give a refund or exchange the shaver for the Quadra Action model, would this be a better product for me to use. I am not looking at a getting a refund but to a solution to my problem. I used to use a Braun foil razor and did not have the problem and only change due to the Braun battery no longer being able to accept the charge. I like the idea of the Coolskin Nivea but it appears for some reason not to work for me. I pre as usual with either Ultimate shave oil or total solution shaving oil, I do not get razor burn just ingrown hairs, am I wrong to use a Philips rotary razor as the Dermatologist suggests, I would welcome your and any body advice on your message board. I have quite a coarse beard and the hairs do appear to be curly in places but the ingrown hairs seem on examination to be ingrowing before they even penetrate the skin surface, is this because the Philishave lifts and cuts the hairs below the skin line.

Chris M Pattinson

NOTE FROM MR. STEEL BEARD:  The following is the pasted E-mail mentioned in the above note:

> Subj: Re: Ingrown hairs

> Date: 12/31/00 06:16:54 GMT Standard Time

> From: Kenn Garvey

> To: Ukoo7

> Chris, your problem is a simple one,(1st)The hairs in that area needs special attention by the direction of growth (2nd)Your choice of shaving implements are wrong Rotary shavers cut the hair in too many directions.Constant friction of the rotating blades against the skin can cause razor burns(constant irritated skin in this area (3rd)You need a product or products that can really soften these coarse wiry hairs,clean the pores,relax the hair so it's not ingrown.create a protective barrier between Skin &razor,heal lesions in 24 to 48 hrs so you can train the hairs to grow out in the directions of shaving strokes. The PFB treatment kit accomplishes these &more, Plus you recieve Shaving Diagram &complete shaving instructions w/order of $79,99+s&h of $10.99. cheque or mo turnaround time 7 days

> max. "The Face Doctor"

(end of pasted E-mail)

Thanks for your inquiry, Chris.  The no-risk trial offer you refer to which Philips has in several countries does allow users to try out their shavers and allow for returning the shaver for a refund if not satisfied.  As for "The Face Doctor's" mail order treatment, I'm leery of such treatments as I don't think you can train hair to grow in a different way.  Hair which is natually curly can be straightened, but would require continous treatment (which can be very nasty) to keep the hair straight.  The best way to shave curly whiskers is to find the best shaver to handle such whiskers.  The best models, which have slotted heads which straighten whiskers before cutting, unfortunately don't provide the best shave.  I'm seeing more slotted-head/foil shaver hybrids on the market.  I prefer shavers with either slotted heads or an extendable trimmer on the edges to straighten hair before cutting, before the foils can cut the remaining stubble.  If there are electric shaver users with curly whiskers who have a favourite shaver in this case, please let us know.  I hope this helps.

From: Smith, Robert A (Herndon)

Date: Monday, January 08, 2001 5:37 PM

Thanks for the educational site! I looked through the archives but did not see much mention of shaving your head with an electic shaver. I have heard good things about the Norelco shavers but I'm trying to weigh the advantages of having the Quadra action of the 6885 against the ability to use the 5655 in the shower. I currently get my best results using a Mach III in the shower and think the steam does wonders in keeping the stubble soft.

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks again!

Robert A. Smith

Thanks for your note, Robert.  I believe that those who decide to use wet/dry electric shavers, such as the 5655 Advantage/Cool Skin shaver you mention, want to retain the wet shaving experience.  You seem to be falling within this category.  While the Nivea lotion dispenser has received mixed reviews, you may have read elsewhere in this forum that the Philishave Cool Skin or Norelco Advantage shaver was used with their favorite shaving foam instead of the Nivea lotion.  Because both the Advantage/Cool Skin and the Quadra Action shavers (as well as the Reflex Action line from Philips) have heads which adjust the the contours of the face (or head), any of these Philishave/Norelco shavers are ideal for head shaving.  I use the Quadra Action (HQ6425) myself for head shaving.  But because the Norelco Advantage/Philishave Cool Skin shavers are specifically designed for wet shaving, I would suggest that for your situation.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: "cygnustr"

Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:16 PM

Hi,

I have been trying for a year to get blades and screen for my Remington WDF2000 women's razor. I have tried many places including the Remington store in Birch Run and Spanglers on Pierson Road. The tell me that they have ordered them and will call me when they come in but it has been months and they haven't called. Is Remington no longer supporting that model series for replacement parts?

Please tell me what you might have heard about this. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Dorothy

Thanks for your note, Dorothy.  I believe you're the first local person from the Flint, Michigan area to post something on Tell Mr. Steel Beard.  I sure the article about me in The Flint Journal has something to do with it.  ;)   I'm familiar with both shops you've mentioned.  Have you inquired directly to Remington through their home page yet?  Remington does follow these postings.  If I recall, someone posted in the "In Search Of..." message board an inquiry asking about a hard to find Remington part and the Remington webmaster replied in a posting that it was available directly through the Remington web site.  I hope this helps and thanks again.

From: <RadkeMax99>

Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:23 PM

Wow! Thanks for a great site! Before stumbling across Mr. Steel Beard I had been wasting several minutes of various weekends asking retailers their thoughts on blade vs. electric. Oh to have that time back. Anyway, I am a first time user of an electric razor. For years I have used Gillette products, lately the Sensor Excel. After reviewing the comments on your site, a Philishave Quadra Action HQ6425 was recently purchased. Have used it three time thus far and seems pretty good. The Remington FaceSaver helps.

Have a few questions though. Will the shave actually get closer once the 2-3 week "break in" period passes? What product would be ideal "after" the shave? I have been using simple face lotion, however would like to do this right all the way as disposing of my Gillette is on the line. Since my beard growth is minimal to medium, and have a fair complexion, was the Quadra purchase the best one for me, or is there a foil-type razor that would better suit my needs? Lastly, when the Quadra is cleaned under a running faucet, is the flip top portion the only part that is cleaned with water or do you also rinse off the top of the unit itself? Thanks again for a great site, have recommended many to come and view the comments of that true heavyweight bout, blade vs. electric!

G.W.R.

Chicago, Illinois

Thanks for your questions.  The 2 to 3 week period is more for your face to become used to the shaver to minimize irritation.  I believe your usual after shave is fine although I don't use any after shave myself with the exception of special occasions.  I think the Philishave Quadra Action you chose is an ideal choice for you.  I love the cleaning regimen.  The shaver is completely waterproof so you can clean not just the flip-top portion--both the heads and the whisker chamber, but also the sideburn trimmer.  I've seen a Japanese Philishave Quadra Action shaver commercial (through the Philishave Japan web site) in which the shaver is dropped into a glass of ice water.  Now that's waterproof.  Of course, make sure the power cord is unplugged from the shaver before getting the shaver wet.  I hope this helps.

From: "irving schwartz"

Date: Friday, January 05, 2001 3:04 PM

Subject: my results

Dear Gary,

I feel compelled to share with your readers, in return for their generous contributions, and to thank you for hosting the Forum, my experience with shavers.

I started about a year ago to experiment, thanks to liberal refundable trial periods. both in retail stores and via the WEB. I tried ever known-to-me maker, foil and rotary,wet and dry (high priced and cheapies) and also preshave and aftershave stuff. My clear choice for smoothness and closeness is Norelco Advantage, wet, in the shower, with shaving foam, not their goo-y Nivea. I use an aloe-based aftershave lotion made by Bare Escentials, not as good as Clinique-for-men, but less or no alcohol, no scent, and much cheaper. All this sure beats my years of shaving with accompanying "blood and guts." (Mach 3 and all the others).

Best regards,and thanks again to you all.

Irv

You're welcome, Irv and thanks for your report endorsing the Norelco Advantage (aka Philishave Cool Skin) shaver.

From: "henrico"

Date: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:52 AM

Hi Gary:

I recently purchased the Braun Syncro 7570 (top of the line) and I'm very happy with the closeness of the shave , I had a Norelco Advantage and I'm not missing it at all!

My question is in regards to the cleaning cartridge. Is there a cleaning fluid in the market to refill the cartridge?replacing it(the cartridge) would become a very expensive proposition in the long run

Love the the forum.

Henrico Farina

Thanks for your note, Henrico.  Just like with the Nivea For Men cartridges when the Philishave Cool Skin and Norelco Advantage shavers were introduced a couple of years ago, the Braun Syncro shavers have people wondering if there's a way to refill the cleaning cartridges.  You're the first person to inquire about this subject.  I'm sure you won't be the last.  The Braun Syncro shaver is a clear hit based on the E-mail and postings I'm getting.  I'm sure someone will eventually post a message about his experience in trying to refill a Braun Syncro cleaning cartridge.  I believe that the cleaning solution used is one specifically formulated for this shaver.  Of course, if anyone has successfully refilled a Braun Syncro cartridge, please let me know your experience.

From: Michael Prince

Date: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:41 PM

Hello, it's been a while since my last visit to this wondeful site dedicated to electric razors. Several months ago, I asked several questions in reference to the Braun model 5416 before purchasing it. I am happy to report that I like the razor pretty well!

It took me a while to get used to the razor since I have always used a blade razor, but I am really glad I switched! For the first month of usage, I was using a pre/aft lotion. Then I stopped and noticed I was actually receiving a better shave without the lotion. The razor also works a lot better if you keep it cleaned regularly. I clean and lube it at least once a week. The batteries seem to allow approximately 5-6 good shaves before recharging is needed.

The only downer with this razor and probably any electric is that it takes several minutes to get a nice clean shave. The razor does appear to work better on longer whiskers though. Keep up the nice work on the site and THANKS!

Michael Prince

You're welcome, Michael and thanks for your note giving your experience with your Braun 5416 shaver.

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